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What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
Give us some examples where the vast majority of conservatives say they hate Obama because he is black.
Most don't like his ideology.
What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
Give us some examples where the vast majority of conservatives say they hate Obama because he is black.
Most don't like his ideology.
What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
my party, look in a mirror little girl AFTER you go look at yourself in the Palin thread
so cast your judgment on yourself
What I don't get is why anyone would take what that sanctimonious little jerk has to say about anything
I see he's again spewing how a lot of the people don't like Obama and it's definitely because of his skin color. Who made him the king of knowing what everyone in this country feels? He sits in his ivory tower and cast stones about people he hasn't mingled with for years.
Surely you don't deny that racism runs rampant in your party??? Hell, it's all over this forum.
Give us some examples where the vast majority of conservatives say they hate Obama because he is black.
Most don't like his ideology.
she's just a sheep who has to follow a herd
The post right before yours mentions the Treaty of Tripoli. Are you familiar with it's opening line?
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president).
That is not the opening line, it is article 11. Read post #55
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship Signed at Tripoli November 4 1796
Thanks, but I'm a guy.Why don't you just say what you are trying to say instead of making us guess what you mean?One of the ways you can tell that the RWs here have never watched Maher is that they don't know he has no affection for the religion of Islam. None at all. They also don't know what he really says about god.
He was his usual funny, ascerbic self last night, live on his show followed by live stand up in DC.
Dealt with the idiot tee potty heckler quite well.
And the bit with the boy scout helping the little old lady across the street was a hoot.
synthy is a liberal. get your facts straight.
I think people here already know I'm a Liberal.
What makes me like you is that you DO sound like an American!
Not an extremist or a foreigner planted here to learn American language, idioms and culture so as to prepare their 'agents' to pretend to be Americans online so they might sway the views of the uninformed.
I don't sense any of that from you.
That automatically relaxes my defenses.
You are just a Liberal woman trying to make sense of all of this. And being cursed with the genetically determined "Liberal Hardwiring" sure doesn't make the task of wrapping your brain around some of this stuff any easier.
You seem to be the kind of Liberal with whom we can co-exist.
It's 1500 years after Mohammed.Islam is only 1500 years old.it's the 21 century genius not the middle ages....You liberals are so patheticChristianity had its periods of murder and genocide to help it get to where it is now.
And yet, Christians mock Islam for doing the same.
How were Christians behaving 1500 years after Christ?
It's not 1500 years after Christ ..Get a grip genius
The post right before yours mentions the Treaty of Tripoli. Are you familiar with it's opening line?
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president).
That is not the opening line, it is article 11. Read post #55
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship Signed at Tripoli November 4 1796
You are an utterly predictable wingnut, Peach.
Right after posting that, I said to myself "You watch - she won't respond to the substance, she'll just point out that it's not the opening line".
You never fail to take the lightweight road in any discussion.
He's a Jew. He's obviously prejudiced against Muslims, as Muslims are prejudiced against Jews.Maher is completely wrong.It's better to go to the link and watch the short video.
Bill is correct, as always.
BTW - that link, and that headline is from....FOXNATION.com!
I like Bill Maher, but I don't agree with him on this issue. I don't think it's reasonable to lump over a billion people into one group.
Crazy Evangelicals certainly don't represent all Christian's.
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I wonder if those who believe that islam is all the same and everyone who is muslim is violent is consistent and believes that all christians are the same and they're all like fred phelps and his westboro baptist church?
My point being that not everyone is the same. Not all sects of christianity or islam are the same.
The founders had no interest in establish a theocracy. Many came to the new world to escape European theocracies. Thus we have the first amendment to the Constitution, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Nowhere in the constitution will you find the words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, Creator, Divine, and God". The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion".If that were true why did the founders think it was important to have a congressional CHRISTIAN chaplain? That was one of the first votes of the new government.One of the ways you can tell that the RWs here have never watched Maher is that they don't know he has no affection for the religion of Islam. None at all. They also don't know what he really says about god.
He was his usual funny, ascerbic self last night, live on his show followed by live stand up in DC.
Dealt with the idiot tee potty heckler quite well.
And the bit with the boy scout helping the little old lady across the street was a hoot.
I know all about Bill Maher.
Rose is an imbecile. Maher is a theological dunce. They're both illiberal statist bootlicks.
In the meantime, this nation was founded on the sociopolitical ramifications of Judeo-Christianity's ethical system of thought, the classical liberalism of the Anglo-American tradition.
You're confusing the pilgrims with the founders of the United States of America.
The pilgrims did found and establish a christian theocratic colony of England. With the king and the christian church controlling the colonies.
That was in the 1600s. The next century the liberal decedents of those pilgrims didn't want to live in a theocratic monarchy. They declared independence from England and fought a war for their freedom.
When they won, they created a secular nation with church and state separate. They named that nation The United States of America.
I'm surprised you didn't learn that in school.
What does a chaplain have to do with the constitution or the business of America? So they have a chaplain to say a prayer. That doesn't mean that our nation was founded on christianity or we're a theocratic nation.
If the founders of America wanted a theocratic nation they wouldn't have written the first Amendment.
Nor would congress have unanimously passed the Treaty of Tripoli. The very first sentence of that agreement states very clearly that America isn't founded on christianity.
The people who you posted about fought with England against the founders of America. Those who wanted America to remain a theocratic monarchy of England were the torries or conservatives.
Islamic extremist are a very small segment of Islam, yet they command nearly a 100% of the news media attention. The only way they can achieve their goal of a worldwide Holy War is to convince non-Muslims that they speak for all Muslims.I wonder if those who believe that islam is all the same and everyone who is muslim is violent is consistent and believes that all christians are the same and they're all like fred phelps and his westboro baptist church?
My point being that not everyone is the same. Not all sects of christianity or islam are the same.
^^^ Moral Relativistic Blather ^^^
Which sects of Christianity are engaged in a Holy War to wipe out non-christians in the 21st century? How many non-Christians have they beheaded. How many teenaged girls have they kidnapped and raped to force them to convert to Christianity?
Islamic extremist are a very small segment of Islam, yet they command nearly a 100% of the news media attention. The only way they can achieve their goal of a worldwide Holy War is to convince non-Muslims that they speak for all Muslims.I wonder if those who believe that islam is all the same and everyone who is muslim is violent is consistent and believes that all christians are the same and they're all like fred phelps and his westboro baptist church?
My point being that not everyone is the same. Not all sects of christianity or islam are the same.
^^^ Moral Relativistic Blather ^^^
Which sects of Christianity are engaged in a Holy War to wipe out non-christians in the 21st century? How many non-Christians have they beheaded. How many teenaged girls have they kidnapped and raped to force them to convert to Christianity?
Actually Maher is wrong on this, Rose's poor performance notwithstanding; Maher's argument fails as a fallacy, a gross over-generalization of a complex religious, cultural, and social issue.It's better to go to the link and watch the short video.
Bill is correct, as always.
BTW - that link, and that headline is from....FOXNATION.com!
The vast majority of Muslims do not support the radical extremism practiced by the criminals and terrorists who are incidentally Muslim, nor does Islamic doctrine or dogma condone such practices – as indeed Islamic leaders around the world have condemned the violence.
Moreover, most of the practices that exist in the 'Islamic world,' such as the treatment of women and criminals, predate Islam, and reflect ancient cultural and social practices that are not necessarily Islamic.
The fact that there are millions of Muslims in North America, Europe, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia who do not practice the violence and extremism of the radicals renders the notion that Islam is an 'evil religion' objectively incorrect.
Benghazi Panelist’s Fiery Response to a Muslim Student’s Question That Made the Audience Erupt in Cheers
Jun. 17, 2014 2:35pm Erica Ritz
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Author and terrorism expert Brigitte Gabriel, the CEO of ACT! for America, spoke heatedly at the Heritage Foundation’s Benghazi panel on Monday after being asked a question by a Muslim law student from American University. Gabriel’s response made the audience erupt in cheers, with some even jumping to their feet. But that’s not the end of it: the student herself even elicited applause at the end.
“I know that we portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but there are 1.8 billion [followers] of Islam,” the law student, who identified herself as Saba Ahmed, began. “We have 8 million plus Muslim Americans in this country, and I don’t see them represented here. But my question is: how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this war? The jihadist ideology that you talk about, it’s an ideology. How can you ever win this thing if you don’t address it ideologically?”
American University law student Saba Ahmed spoke at the Heritage Foundation's panel on Benghazi June 16, 2014. (Photo: The Heritage Foundation via Media Matters)
American University law student Saba Ahmed spoke at the Heritage Foundation’s panel on Benghazi June 16, 2014. (Photo: The Heritage Foundation via Media Matters)
After a response from Frank Gaffney, Gabriel began by thanking Ahmed for the question. Then she launched into a heated explanation of why radical Islam matters, even if the majority of Muslims are peaceful.
“There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today – of course not all of them are radicals!” Gabriel said. “The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent. … But when you look at 15 to 25 percent of the world Muslim population, you’re looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of western civilization. That is as big as the United States. So why should we worry about the radical 15 to 25 percent? Because it is the radicals that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and massacre.”
Gabriel continued to note that the majority of Germans, Russians, Chinese, and Japanese in the 20th century were peaceful people, but the radicals in charge massacred tens of millions of people.
“The peaceful majority were irrelevant,” Gabriel said repeatedly.
“I’m glad you’re here, but where are the others speaking out?” Gabriel asked, before being drowned out by a round of applause. “As an American citizen, you sat in this room and instead of standing up and [asking] something about our four Americans that died [in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate Muslims.”
Ahmed did not seem defensive or angry over Gabriel’s response, kindly responding that “as a peaceful American Muslim,” she would like to think that she is not “irrelevant.”
“I’m just as much an American, and I’m very deeply saddened about the lives that were lost in Libya, and I hope that we will find justice for their families,” Ahmed continued. “But I don’t think that this war can ever be won by just the military. You have to bring Muslims to the table to address this.”
The panelists all agreed that the dilemma cannot be solved by the military alone, before one asked Ahmed: “Can you tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?”
The law student laughed and said: “I guess it’s me right now. Thank you.”
That’s when the panel and the audience cheered her.
The exchange has caused some controversy on the web, with Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank describing it as “ugly taunting of a woman in the room who wore an Islamic head covering.” Media Matters also picked up the story, and posted video of Gabriel’s response via the Heritage Foundation’s livestream.
Watch the video below to make your own decision about whether it was an “ugly” exchange (relevant comments start around 4:15):
The post right before yours mentions the Treaty of Tripoli. Are you familiar with it's opening line?
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president).
That is not the opening line, it is article 11. Read post #55
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship Signed at Tripoli November 4 1796
You are an utterly predictable wingnut, Peach.
Right after posting that, I said to myself "You watch - she won't respond to the substance, she'll just point out that it's not the opening line".
You never fail to take the lightweight road in any discussion.
I read that whole thing, only for you to say in your second post that there is a video on the link? I hate you!
On topic, I agree with Maher.
