But which bible? Mine says "no one has ascended to heaven (except Christ)...". That would exclude Mary from heaven. The Catholic church 'assumes' that Mary ascended because they want her up there regardless of scripture.
Speaking of needing to read again. I will clarify, Protestants believe that true salvation creates works not that we have to have works to be saved. "That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Everyone, including the nutjob sects take the bible seriously even if their interpretation is wrong.
Catholics don't use the term "saved" much at all. "Redeemed", "delivered", "salvation", even followers of the narrow way.
I think we're arguing semantics which is not an uncommon occurrence. I was taught faith without works is dead so one must perform works as well as being redeemed in order to be "saved" (Iwas raised Roman Catholic). I take Jesus's word that he is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
how "ironic" since you refuse to respond to #19
I don't have much time... skimmed through this bc busy
I didn't? Maybe you missed it in my other responses.......... How "ironic" you can't see past your own paradigm bubble.
I've read the whole Bible (Douay Rheims) and never saw "no one has ascended to Heaven..." although I may have read something that sounded familiar?
I've been telling Ps that for i dont know how long... they don't appear to care
who said anything about a spiritual resurrection?
Then you're talking to the wrong ones or you're approaching them wrong. Given what I seen of your postings here I'd go with the latter............
The bible mentions resurrections to physical life as well as the 'going to heaven' spiritual resurrections.
taken to its logical (not logical) conclusion the Once saved always saved folks who don't think u have to do good works would contend that
One of the first complaints voiced about Christianity was that people did not want to do the hard work of self-improvement, they only wanted absolution for wrong-doings.
I've never heard it put that way but .. sounds about right.
where?
Lazarus is a good example.
I'm glad the baby is safe. So, Catholics are then cannibals? I really don't see verse 27 is saying the bread is turning into the flesh of Jesus Christ, literally by any means. In verse 35 He says come unto me for he is the bread of life. This still hasn't a bit to do with the Sacraments. The Sacraments are to do in remembrance of Him. It's really kind of sick to think every priest in the world minute by minute is pulling the great Christ off his thrown and making him die over and over. But, that's essentially what you are saying. Cannibalism.
