Biggest causes of genocide?

[evenflow1969]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

I kinda like inballance of power as best cause! If there is a ballance in power genocide is unlikely.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Tell that to socialist dictators mao and stalin who killed over 100M people.
Lets compare all socialist dictators to fascists, shall we?
Maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Stalin was anti- culture point blank.,.. Therefor overall he was the Antithesis of Nationalism.

Anti culture be it anti-Religion, anti-Music, anti-Writer, or anti-Books, and even anti-Foods.

Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

After the revolution, the Soviet government strove to eliminate bourgeois values and lifestyle by distributing resources equally. Things that were once viewed as petit-bourgeois and associated with the elite—such as luxury goods—became theoretically accessible to all citizens. To a Soviet consumer, a luxury item was any good with the exception of plain breads, cabbage, potatoes and vodka.[2


Culture of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Many writers were imprisoned and killed, or died of starvation, examples being Daniil Kharms, Osip Mandelstam, Isaac Babel and Boris Pilnyak. Andrei Platonov worked as a caretaker and wasn't allowed to publish. The work of Anna Akhmatova was also condemned by the regime, although she notably refused the opportunity to escape to the West. After a short period of the renaissance of Ukrainian literature, more than 250 Ukrainian writers died during the Great Purge, for example Valerian Pidmohylnyi (1901–1937)), in the so called Executed Renaissance. Texts of imprisoned authors were confiscated by the NKVD and some of them were published later. Books were removed from libraries and destroyed.

In addition to literature, musical expression was also repressed during the Stalin era, and at times the music of many Soviet composers was banned altogether. Dmitri Shostakovich experienced a particularly long and complex relationship with Stalin, during which his music was denounced and prohibited twice, in 1936 and 1948 (see Zhdanov decree). Sergei Prokofiev and Aram Khachaturian had similar cases. Although Igor Stravinsky did not live in the Soviet Union, his music was officially considered formalist and anti-Soviet.

USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) - Wikipedia

See also: Society of the Godless and NKVD Order No. 00447
Main article: USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–1941)
The Orthodox church suffered terribly in the 1930s, and many of its members were killed or sent to labor camps. Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500. The watershed year was 1929, when Soviet policy put much new legislation in place that formed the basis for the harsh anti-religious persecution in the 1930s.

Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God,[65] the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison.[66]

The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers.[64] This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[21] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned.

The League of the Militant Godless, under Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, was the main instrument of the anti-religious campaign and it was given special powers that allowed it to dictate to public institutions throughout the country what they needed to do for the campaign.[39]

After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.[3][64] The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked.[67] Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union.[68] These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion.[68][69] From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country.[68] Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies.

The debate between the ‘rightist’ and ‘leftist’ sides of how to best combat religion found some conclusion in 1930 and afterwards, when the state officially condemned extremes on both sides. Marxist leaders who took either position on this issue would find themselves attacked by a paranoid Stalin who did not tolerate other authorities to speak as authorities on public policy.[70]

A lull in the active persecution was experienced in 1930-33 following Stalin's 1930 article 'Diziness From Success', however, it swept back in fervor again afterwards.[71]

In 1934 the persecution of the Renovationist sect began to reach the proportions of the persecution of the old Orthodox church.[72]

During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot.[73] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".

A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[74] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[68] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.

Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services.[75] This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years.

Nationalism has very little to do with "culture".

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

We're all very impressed with your ability to cut and paste from wikipedia.

But you're missing the point.

Why does Wiki mention "Culture" and a whole bunch of things which promote culture as being integral to Nationalism?

 

[TNHarley]

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Stalin was anti- culture point blank.,.. Therefor overall he was the Antithesis of Nationalism.

Anti culture be it anti-Religion, anti-Music, anti-Writer, or anti-Books, and even anti-Foods.

Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

After the revolution, the Soviet government strove to eliminate bourgeois values and lifestyle by distributing resources equally. Things that were once viewed as petit-bourgeois and associated with the elite—such as luxury goods—became theoretically accessible to all citizens. To a Soviet consumer, a luxury item was any good with the exception of plain breads, cabbage, potatoes and vodka.[2


Culture of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Many writers were imprisoned and killed, or died of starvation, examples being Daniil Kharms, Osip Mandelstam, Isaac Babel and Boris Pilnyak. Andrei Platonov worked as a caretaker and wasn't allowed to publish. The work of Anna Akhmatova was also condemned by the regime, although she notably refused the opportunity to escape to the West. After a short period of the renaissance of Ukrainian literature, more than 250 Ukrainian writers died during the Great Purge, for example Valerian Pidmohylnyi (1901–1937)), in the so called Executed Renaissance. Texts of imprisoned authors were confiscated by the NKVD and some of them were published later. Books were removed from libraries and destroyed.

In addition to literature, musical expression was also repressed during the Stalin era, and at times the music of many Soviet composers was banned altogether. Dmitri Shostakovich experienced a particularly long and complex relationship with Stalin, during which his music was denounced and prohibited twice, in 1936 and 1948 (see Zhdanov decree). Sergei Prokofiev and Aram Khachaturian had similar cases. Although Igor Stravinsky did not live in the Soviet Union, his music was officially considered formalist and anti-Soviet.

USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) - Wikipedia

See also: Society of the Godless and NKVD Order No. 00447
Main article: USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–1941)
The Orthodox church suffered terribly in the 1930s, and many of its members were killed or sent to labor camps. Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500. The watershed year was 1929, when Soviet policy put much new legislation in place that formed the basis for the harsh anti-religious persecution in the 1930s.

Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God,[65] the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison.[66]

The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers.[64] This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[21] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned.

The League of the Militant Godless, under Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, was the main instrument of the anti-religious campaign and it was given special powers that allowed it to dictate to public institutions throughout the country what they needed to do for the campaign.[39]

After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.[3][64] The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked.[67] Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union.[68] These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion.[68][69] From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country.[68] Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies.

The debate between the ‘rightist’ and ‘leftist’ sides of how to best combat religion found some conclusion in 1930 and afterwards, when the state officially condemned extremes on both sides. Marxist leaders who took either position on this issue would find themselves attacked by a paranoid Stalin who did not tolerate other authorities to speak as authorities on public policy.[70]

A lull in the active persecution was experienced in 1930-33 following Stalin's 1930 article 'Diziness From Success', however, it swept back in fervor again afterwards.[71]

In 1934 the persecution of the Renovationist sect began to reach the proportions of the persecution of the old Orthodox church.[72]

During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot.[73] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".

A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[74] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[68] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.

Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services.[75] This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years.

Nationalism has very little to do with "culture".

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

We're all very impressed with your ability to cut and paste from wikipedia.

But you're missing the point.

Why does Wiki mention "Culture" and a whole bunch of things which promote culture as being integral to Nationalism?

Culture is absolutely tied into Nationalism.
Im not for sure where he is getting all this shit from.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

I kinda like inballance of power as best cause! If there is a ballance in power genocide is unlikely.

Just about everyone here has given a "Different answer"

Why?

Because while genocide might be sometimes taught in school, we aren't really taught the why's / mechanics of genocide.

This proves that free thinking is plentiful on this thread because it requires abstract thinking, rather than conformist thinking.

There's another issue, conformity is a big promoter of genocide as well.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Stalin was anti- culture point blank.,.. Therefor overall he was the Antithesis of Nationalism.

Anti culture be it anti-Religion, anti-Music, anti-Writer, or anti-Books, and even anti-Foods.

Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

After the revolution, the Soviet government strove to eliminate bourgeois values and lifestyle by distributing resources equally. Things that were once viewed as petit-bourgeois and associated with the elite—such as luxury goods—became theoretically accessible to all citizens. To a Soviet consumer, a luxury item was any good with the exception of plain breads, cabbage, potatoes and vodka.[2


Culture of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Many writers were imprisoned and killed, or died of starvation, examples being Daniil Kharms, Osip Mandelstam, Isaac Babel and Boris Pilnyak. Andrei Platonov worked as a caretaker and wasn't allowed to publish. The work of Anna Akhmatova was also condemned by the regime, although she notably refused the opportunity to escape to the West. After a short period of the renaissance of Ukrainian literature, more than 250 Ukrainian writers died during the Great Purge, for example Valerian Pidmohylnyi (1901–1937)), in the so called Executed Renaissance. Texts of imprisoned authors were confiscated by the NKVD and some of them were published later. Books were removed from libraries and destroyed.

In addition to literature, musical expression was also repressed during the Stalin era, and at times the music of many Soviet composers was banned altogether. Dmitri Shostakovich experienced a particularly long and complex relationship with Stalin, during which his music was denounced and prohibited twice, in 1936 and 1948 (see Zhdanov decree). Sergei Prokofiev and Aram Khachaturian had similar cases. Although Igor Stravinsky did not live in the Soviet Union, his music was officially considered formalist and anti-Soviet.

USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) - Wikipedia

See also: Society of the Godless and NKVD Order No. 00447
Main article: USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–1941)
The Orthodox church suffered terribly in the 1930s, and many of its members were killed or sent to labor camps. Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500. The watershed year was 1929, when Soviet policy put much new legislation in place that formed the basis for the harsh anti-religious persecution in the 1930s.

Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God,[65] the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison.[66]

The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers.[64] This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[21] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned.

The League of the Militant Godless, under Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, was the main instrument of the anti-religious campaign and it was given special powers that allowed it to dictate to public institutions throughout the country what they needed to do for the campaign.[39]

After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.[3][64] The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked.[67] Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union.[68] These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion.[68][69] From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country.[68] Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies.

The debate between the ‘rightist’ and ‘leftist’ sides of how to best combat religion found some conclusion in 1930 and afterwards, when the state officially condemned extremes on both sides. Marxist leaders who took either position on this issue would find themselves attacked by a paranoid Stalin who did not tolerate other authorities to speak as authorities on public policy.[70]

A lull in the active persecution was experienced in 1930-33 following Stalin's 1930 article 'Diziness From Success', however, it swept back in fervor again afterwards.[71]

In 1934 the persecution of the Renovationist sect began to reach the proportions of the persecution of the old Orthodox church.[72]

During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot.[73] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".

A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[74] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[68] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.

Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services.[75] This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years.

Nationalism has very little to do with "culture".

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

We're all very impressed with your ability to cut and paste from wikipedia.

But you're missing the point.

Why does Wiki mention "Culture" and a whole bunch of things which promote culture as being integral to Nationalism?

Culture is absolutely tied into Nationalism.
Im not for sure where he is getting all this shit from.

Culture is "tied" to nationalism only in the sense that it's often used by nationalists as a rallying cry.

Nationalism is about defining "us" and "them". Sometimes culture is used to define the "us" - and sometimes (like in the USSR), culture is used to define the "them".

 

[evenflow1969]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

I kinda like inballance of power as best cause! If there is a ballance in power genocide is unlikely.

Just about everyone here has given a "Different answer"

Why?

Because while genocide might be sometimes taught in school, we aren't really taught the why's / mechanics of genocide.

This proves that free thinking is plentiful on this thread because it requires abstract thinking, rather than conformist thinking.

There's another issue, conformity is a big promoter of genocide as well.

Genocide happens when there is a lack of power either militarily or mentaly. Guns do you no good when no one is willing to load them and shoot them. Give a sheep a gun and no one gets shot! You can still take the sheep out with a hammer though!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You don't think that Mao and Stalin were nationalists?

Populists, too.

Stalin was anti- culture point blank.,.. Therefor overall he was the Antithesis of Nationalism.

Anti culture be it anti-Religion, anti-Music, anti-Writer, or anti-Books, and even anti-Foods.

Consumer goods in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

After the revolution, the Soviet government strove to eliminate bourgeois values and lifestyle by distributing resources equally. Things that were once viewed as petit-bourgeois and associated with the elite—such as luxury goods—became theoretically accessible to all citizens. To a Soviet consumer, a luxury item was any good with the exception of plain breads, cabbage, potatoes and vodka.[2


Culture of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Many writers were imprisoned and killed, or died of starvation, examples being Daniil Kharms, Osip Mandelstam, Isaac Babel and Boris Pilnyak. Andrei Platonov worked as a caretaker and wasn't allowed to publish. The work of Anna Akhmatova was also condemned by the regime, although she notably refused the opportunity to escape to the West. After a short period of the renaissance of Ukrainian literature, more than 250 Ukrainian writers died during the Great Purge, for example Valerian Pidmohylnyi (1901–1937)), in the so called Executed Renaissance. Texts of imprisoned authors were confiscated by the NKVD and some of them were published later. Books were removed from libraries and destroyed.

In addition to literature, musical expression was also repressed during the Stalin era, and at times the music of many Soviet composers was banned altogether. Dmitri Shostakovich experienced a particularly long and complex relationship with Stalin, during which his music was denounced and prohibited twice, in 1936 and 1948 (see Zhdanov decree). Sergei Prokofiev and Aram Khachaturian had similar cases. Although Igor Stravinsky did not live in the Soviet Union, his music was officially considered formalist and anti-Soviet.

USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928) - Wikipedia

See also: Society of the Godless and NKVD Order No. 00447
Main article: USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–1941)
The Orthodox church suffered terribly in the 1930s, and many of its members were killed or sent to labor camps. Between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500. The watershed year was 1929, when Soviet policy put much new legislation in place that formed the basis for the harsh anti-religious persecution in the 1930s.

Anti-religious education was introduced beginning in the first-grade in 1928 and anti-religious work was intensified throughout the education system. At the same time, in order to remove the church's intellectuals and support official propaganda that only backward people believed in God,[65] the government conducted a massive purge of Christian intellectuals, most of whom died in the camps or in prison.[66]

The church's successful competition with the ongoing and widespread atheistic propaganda, prompted new laws to be adopted in 1929 on 'Religious Associations' as well as amendments to the constitution, which forbade all forms of public, social, communal, educational, publishing or missionary activities for religious believers.[64] This also prevented, of course, the church from printing any material for public consumption or responding to the criticism against it. This caused many religious tracts to be circulated as illegal literature or samizdat.[21] Numerous other measures were introduced that were designed to cripple the church, and effectively made it illegal to have religious activities of any sort outside of liturgical services within the walls of the few churches that would remain open, and even these would be subject to much interference and harassment. Catechism classes, religious schools, study groups, Sunday schools and religious publications were all illegal and/or banned.

The League of the Militant Godless, under Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, was the main instrument of the anti-religious campaign and it was given special powers that allowed it to dictate to public institutions throughout the country what they needed to do for the campaign.[39]

After 1929 and through the 1930s, the closing of churches, mass arrests of the clergy and religiously active laity, and persecution of people for attending church reached unprecedented proportions.[3][64] The LMG employed terror tactics against believers in order to further the campaign, while employing the guise of protecting the state or prosecuting law-breakers. The clergy were attacked as foreign spies and trials of bishops were conducted with their clergy as well as lay adherents who were reported as 'subversive terroristic gangs' that had been unmasked.[67] Official propaganda at the time called for the banishment of the very concept of God from the Soviet Union.[68] These persecutions were meant to assist the ultimate socialist goal of eliminating religion.[68][69] From 1932 to 1937 Joseph Stalin declared the 'five-year plans of atheism' and the LMG was charged with completely eliminating all religious expression in the country.[68] Many of these same methods and terror tactics were also imposed against others that the regime considered to be its ideological enemies.

The debate between the ‘rightist’ and ‘leftist’ sides of how to best combat religion found some conclusion in 1930 and afterwards, when the state officially condemned extremes on both sides. Marxist leaders who took either position on this issue would find themselves attacked by a paranoid Stalin who did not tolerate other authorities to speak as authorities on public policy.[70]

A lull in the active persecution was experienced in 1930-33 following Stalin's 1930 article 'Diziness From Success', however, it swept back in fervor again afterwards.[71]

In 1934 the persecution of the Renovationist sect began to reach the proportions of the persecution of the old Orthodox church.[72]

During the purges of 1937 and 1938, church documents record that 168,300 Russian Orthodox clergy were arrested. Of these, over 100,000 were shot.[73] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".

A decline in enthusiasm in the campaign occurred in the late 1930s.[74] The tone of the anti-religious campaign changed and became more moderate .[68] It ended at the outbreak of World War II.

Official Soviet figures reported that up to one third of urban and two thirds of rural population still held religious beliefs by 1937. However, the anti-religious campaign of the past decade and the terror tactics of the militantly atheist regime, had effectively eliminated all public expressions of religion and communal gatherings of believers outside of the walls of the few churches that still held services.[75] This was accomplished in a country that only a few decades earlier had had a deeply Christian public life and culture that had developed for almost a thousand years.

Nationalism has very little to do with "culture".

Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by promoting the interests of a particular nation particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry.

Nationalism - Wikipedia

We're all very impressed with your ability to cut and paste from wikipedia.

But you're missing the point.

Why does Wiki mention "Culture" and a whole bunch of things which promote culture as being integral to Nationalism?

Wiki lists culture as one of the ways nationalism promotes a national identity.

That's all.

 

[mudwhistle]

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

No.

There have been nationalist movements in basically every country in the world, sure.

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Ironically, the antidote to nationalism is globalism.

I don't believe in any 'ism'

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

I kinda like inballance of power as best cause! If there is a ballance in power genocide is unlikely.

Just about everyone here has given a "Different answer"

Why?

Because while genocide might be sometimes taught in school, we aren't really taught the why's / mechanics of genocide.

This proves that free thinking is plentiful on this thread because it requires abstract thinking, rather than conformist thinking.

There's another issue, conformity is a big promoter of genocide as well.

Genocide happens when there is a lack of power either militarily or mentaly. Guns do you no good when no one is willing to load them and shoot them. Give a sheep a gun and no one gets shot! You can still take the sheep out with a hammer though!

Victims of genocide might happen when one lacks military.

However, perps of genocide on the inverse happen more often when one has a big powerful military.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

They were socialists.
Mao defeated the nationalist party to get to power.

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Nationalism has been a dominant ideal in Hungary, in Poland, in Slovakia, why are these countries in the past, and present far less genocidal / violent than the U.S.A, if you claim Nationalism hasn't been dominant in the U.S.A?

 

[evenflow1969]

I'd argue that the biggest causes of genocide, are these in this order.

1.) Love, and tolerance.

Well, love, and tolerance of authority figures.

2.) Apathy, and submission.

Well, apathy, and submission to authority figures.

3.) Trust, and Faith.

Well, trust, and faith in authority figures.

4.) Big government, and big military.

Well, you already kind of figured that, right?

5.) Balkanization, and Diversity.

Well, how do you solve such conflicts that blow up when caused by Balkanization, and Diversity, a lot of times genocide erupts.

6.) The Psycho-path leader himself.

Well, you probably figured he was #1, right?

Well, I disagree, I happen to see that all of the above enable him, and the masses are a bigger cause.

The Psychopath simply can't get away with very, very much in society like genocide, without his enablers.

Thus the enablers are more of an issue, in at least total numbers.

I kinda like inballance of power as best cause! If there is a ballance in power genocide is unlikely.

Just about everyone here has given a "Different answer"

Why?

Because while genocide might be sometimes taught in school, we aren't really taught the why's / mechanics of genocide.

This proves that free thinking is plentiful on this thread because it requires abstract thinking, rather than conformist thinking.

There's another issue, conformity is a big promoter of genocide as well.

I am sure there have been schools on the mechanics of it thru out time! It is studied to day in order to avoid it. I am sure they talk about it at west point,annapoplis and other military schools. Then there are those that are currently plotting them, I am sure they have some type of training. But Ya, the typical person is left to infer the knowlege inside thier education.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Nationalism has been a dominant ideal in Hungary, in Poland, in Slovakia, why are these countries in the past, and present far less genocidal / violent than the U.S.A, if you claim Nationalism hasn't been dominant in the U.S.A?

Violence and genocide are not synonyms.

 

[evenflow1969]

Nationalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive terms.

In fact, in the context of governments, they're almost always the same thing.

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Nationalism has been a dominant ideal in Hungary, in Poland, in Slovakia, why are these countries in the past, and present far less genocidal / violent than the U.S.A, if you claim Nationalism hasn't been dominant in the U.S.A?

Well I do not know when we have commited gencide other than the american indian. We kept a few around and we also had some help from other nations that were vying for the land that we in the end ended up with. Most of the killing was realy done before we were a nation by spanish explorers. Not that we and the mexicans did not finnish the job out west. I do not think there is a nation in the world that some one did not get pushed out to form the nation. We are a very young nation so our violent past is much more recent. We have not made entire races disappear recently. We do how ever commit violence across the globe due in part to our military strength. We could decide an isolationist policy and not use that strength.I am sure having it there is a big temptation!

 

[Votto]

Yes, children are genocidal. They love murdering entire civilizations.
Dolt

Just think of them as late term abortions

You are correct that they were collateral damage, but the object of scorn was their parents.

Like it or not we all suffer from the bad decisions our parents make.

It's not fair, but guess what, nothing is.

Abortion is genocide, I'd agree.

Just like what was done with Sodom, and Gomorrah was a genocide, I'd agree too.

The very definition of genocide is the killing of a large group of people. A fetus is not a people. Or a person. It doesnt even technically meet the requirements for life.

Really.

So what are the requirements for life?

Let me guess, being out of the womb.

Do i really need to post the definition of "life?"

YOU are the one making the accusation that the unborn child is not living, not me.

So if you are so all knowing, define it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Nationalism has been a dominant ideal in Hungary, in Poland, in Slovakia, why are these countries in the past, and present far less genocidal / violent than the U.S.A, if you claim Nationalism hasn't been dominant in the U.S.A?

Well I do not know when we have commited gencide other than the american indian. We kept a few around and we also had some help from other nations that were vying for the land that we in the end ended up with. Most of the killing was realy done before we were a nation by spanish explorers. Not that we and the mexicans did not finnish the job out west. I do not think there is a nation in the world that some one did not get pushed out to form the nation. We are a very young nation so our violent past is much more recent. We have not made entire races disappear recently. We do how ever commit violence across the globe due in part to our military strength. We could decide an isolationist policy and not use that strength.I am sure having it there is a big temptation!

United States war crimes - Wikipedia

US war-murdered 20-30 million since WW2: arrest today’s War Criminals | Washington's Blog

 

[Votto]

We all have an innate sense of right and wrong, yet we all violate it.

The warning signs are how we violate that internal voice.

The very first step is to dehumanize the opposition.

Slaves = glorified ape
Jews = vermin
non-Muslims = infidel
Unborn = parasite
etc., etc., etc.

Once people are not viewed as our equal, we are then free to violate them and treat them like livestock, just like how we treat animals.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We all have an innate sense of right and wrong, yet we all violate it.

The warning signs are how we violate that internal voice.

The very first step is to dehumanize the opposition.

Slaves = glorified ape
Jews = vermin
non-Muslims = infidel
Unborn = parasite
etc., etc., etc.

Once people are not viewed as our equal, we are then free to violate them and treat them like livestock, just like how we treat animals.

Prejudices are natural, anti-Prejudice require brain-washing, control, and "Government" to combat.

You wait, and see, when the ANTIFA types start massacring the normal people by using government control, and brainwashing of tyranny.

 

[TNHarley]

Just think of them as late term abortions

You are correct that they were collateral damage, but the object of scorn was their parents.

Like it or not we all suffer from the bad decisions our parents make.

It's not fair, but guess what, nothing is.

Abortion is genocide, I'd agree.

Just like what was done with Sodom, and Gomorrah was a genocide, I'd agree too.

The very definition of genocide is the killing of a large group of people. A fetus is not a people. Or a person. It doesnt even technically meet the requirements for life.

Really.

So what are the requirements for life?

Let me guess, being out of the womb.

Do i really need to post the definition of "life?"

YOU are the one making the accusation that the unborn child is not living, not me.

So if you are so all knowing, define it.

the existence of an individual human being or animal.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
Good luck explaining that one lol

 

[Votto]

Abortion is genocide, I'd agree.

Just like what was done with Sodom, and Gomorrah was a genocide, I'd agree too.

The very definition of genocide is the killing of a large group of people. A fetus is not a people. Or a person. It doesnt even technically meet the requirements for life.

Really.

So what are the requirements for life?

Let me guess, being out of the womb.

Do i really need to post the definition of "life?"

YOU are the one making the accusation that the unborn child is not living, not me.

So if you are so all knowing, define it.

the existence of an individual human being or animal.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
Good luck explaining that one lol

Looking in Webster's Dictionary, eh?

Well that is a scientific definition of life.

So tell me, is there a difference between human and animal life, scientifically speaking since that seems to be all you care about?\

I'll give you a hint, humans are different from animals BECAUSE humans were made in the image of God. That is why humans should not be treated as animals are, which is locked up in zoos, held as pets, used as beasts of burden, or killed and eaten.

That is why secular humanists scare the hell out of me.

Again, the fear of God is the only deterrent from mass genocide

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I feel like nationalism for the proletariat is different from the fascist sense, but i understand your argument.
Maybe we should define what nationalism is.

In some ways, it's different. In the ways that matter, it's exactly the same.

We could spend weeks arguing what the definition of "nationalism" is, but in the context that I'm using the term, the wikipedia definition works decently well.

In very simple terms, nationalism is a facet of ideology defined by framing everything in terms of conflict, with the "nation" on one side, and the "enemy" on the other.

So basically ever group of people in history? lol

But that's not the dominant ideology in the US - no matter how much the Trumpists work towards that goal - or in many other western cultures.

Nationalism has been a dominant ideal in Hungary, in Poland, in Slovakia, why are these countries in the past, and present far less genocidal / violent than the U.S.A, if you claim Nationalism hasn't been dominant in the U.S.A?

Violence and genocide are not synonyms.

Ethnic population used to being rebellious, or anti-authority seem to have committed far less genocide, the inverse is true for populations which take faith, and obedience in authority.

This is true regardless of government type, government size, or government control etc etc.

It explains why European countries rebellious like Poland, or Hungary didn't commit genocide like countries that are obedient like Germany, or Russia.