Biden's Failing Afghanistan Withdrawl

[pknopp]

protectionist

The Gulf States hate Communism. That's why they fought the Communists in Afghanistan. The Taliban were war orphans and were not in existence before 1994. They are NOT a threat to the US .. Strictly internal politics.

I've noted for years that the Taliban never did anything to us. That if the people of Afghanistan don't want them running things the only way to accomplish that is from within.

 

[kyzr]

1. I'm glad we are finally pulling out of AFG, 20-years was too long
2. Trump's "enhanced vetting" should have been good enough to protect the US from terrorism, but Xiden's "open borders" fucks that up.
3. We need to pull out of Europe next, let the EU fund their own defense, then Nord Stream 2 might look a bit different to them

 

[Burgermeister]

You will get to find that out the hard way. Of course you won't be around to take responsibility for the outcomes if you prove to be wrong, which is a certainty.

And, we could win there and anywhere else, easily.

A certainty? LOL.

 

[surada]

I've noted for years that the Taliban never did anything to us. That if the people of Afghanistan don't want them running things the only way to accomplish that is from within.

Afghanistan was completely lawless when the US pulled out. Taliban stopped the rapes, truck hijackings ad opium production. They are Deobandi Pashtun and went too far.

 

[TheParser]

This is an editorial from the Washington Examiner, August 12, 2021.

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security.

Biden’s failing Afghanistan withdrawal - Washington Examiner

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, President Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security. The Taliban clearly hold the current strategic initiative. That said, Afghan forces, especially special...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Yes, Mr. Senior Moments has failed his first foreign policy test.

 

[surada]

1. I'm glad we are finally pulling out of AFG, 20-years was too long
2. Trump's "enhanced vetting" should have been good enough to protect the US from terrorism, but Xiden's "open borders" fucks that up.
3. We need to pull out of Europe next, let the EU fund their own defense, then Nord Stream 2 might look a bit different to them

We don't have open borders.

Nordstream 2 is smart money for the Europeans.. Russia and the Stans can't eat their natural gas and its much cheaper for the Europeans.

 

[22lcidw]

The Soviets came in from 1979 to 1989 to support the Afghan communists who had overthrown the Afghani monarchy in 1974.

They sure made a mess. Afghanistan had high literacy, cinemas, cafes, etc under the monarchy.

The Soviets were/are looking for a route/routes into the Indian Ocean. With allies and American Bases not so close.

 

[surada]

The Soviets were/are looking for a route/routes into the Indian Ocean. With allies and American Bases not so close.

 

[cnm]

And, we could win there and anywhere else, easily.

Sure. That's what all the recent evidence shows.

 

[Dekster]

So what do we do ?

Make Afghanistan a US territory?

We been there 20 years

The better tactic would have been to walk away slowly without any big announcements or fanfare we were going. Wither on the vine so to speak instead of doing the whole "Date Certain" thing.

 

[Mac-7]

More deflection from Bush's wars. You guys are a bit too obvious.

I think it was time to leave

but it opens the door to chinese expansion

and in a future war with china bases in afganistan would be very useful

so there are no perfect answers

 

[easyt65]

This is an editorial from the Washington Examiner, August 12, 2021.

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security.

Biden’s failing Afghanistan withdrawal - Washington Examiner

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, President Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security. The Taliban clearly hold the current strategic initiative. That said, Afghan forces, especially special...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Here's my $.02....

Once you decide to withdraw it means you are DONE, you're leaving, you're washing your hands of the situation...as in NOT your problem anymore.

When you publicly declare you are withdrawing, and especially when you announce the date by which you will be gone, you are telling the enemy, "It's all yours - after this date you can do whatever you want...hell, you can start re-taking the country as long as you don't attack us as we leave."

There was never going to be a good way to withdraw - the Afghan people were not ready to stand up for themselves ... and possibly never would have been.

Tribalism, tradition, old vs new, loyalties to the Taliban inside the new govt / military....all things we could / can not control.

Our job (the military) was to kick their asses - we did that. We drove them into Pakistan - our 'ally', who gave them refuge every winter, and they returned every spring.

Then we were ordered to engage in 'nation-building'. The military is not meant for that.

With the politicians' resolve wavering, why we were there became more and more muddled.

We could not stay there forever...so be began to pull out. With the Taliban hanging back, licking their chops to fill the void, there was . is no great way to leave. Te only thing we should have planned for and executed better was getting all the Afghans who helped us, and their families, out when we started leaving.

 

[DudleySmith]

A certainty? LOL.

Yes, a certainty.

 

[DudleySmith]

Sure. That's what all the recent evidence shows.

Recent evidence shows the Taliban would be toast in about a week of real warfare. So yes, you're right, by accident, not brains.

 

[Lesh]

Recent evidence shows the Taliban would be toast in about a week of real warfare. So yes, you're right, by accident, not brains.

Where do you get that from?

The Russians couldn't do it in 10 years.

We tried it in 2002. That didn't happen.

 

[kyzr]

We don't have open borders.

Nordstream 2 is smart money for the Europeans.. Russia and the Stans can't eat their natural gas and its much cheaper for the Europeans.

1. We do have open borders, and the covid infected migrants are pouring into the US

Nearly a thousand illegal immigrants held under a bridge in Texas, video shows

New video shows nearly a thousand illegal immigrants being held by border patrol agents under a bridge near the southern border in Texas, with a top Republican calling it an “absolute catast…

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2. Agree NS2 is a good deal for the EU, so why is the US paying $24b a year to keep US troops in the EU to protect them from the Russians????? WTF?
3. We need to bring US troops home and save that $24b a year.
4. Let Russia and the Stans eat that gas, its better than funding Russia's military.

 

[my2¢]

Way before Afghanistan and Iraq, I felt our military's forte isn't playing the role of nation builders. Nor should it be.

 

[bendog]

This is an editorial from the Washington Examiner, August 12, 2021.

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security.

Biden’s failing Afghanistan withdrawal - Washington Examiner

By refusing to use overwhelming air power to blunt the Taliban's rise, President Joe Biden is failing to protect American interests in Afghanistan and ultimately undermining national security. The Taliban clearly hold the current strategic initiative. That said, Afghan forces, especially special...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

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Seriously, you shudda volunteered. But the Army and Marines were pretty much done

 

[22lcidw]

So look at Eastern Iran and Afghanistan at their Indian Ocean borders. Bases to be built with open access to that part of the world.

 

[bendog]

Seriously, you shudda volunteered. But the Army and Marines were pretty much done

1. We do have open borders, and the covid infected migrants are pouring into the US
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Nearly a thousand illegal immigrants held under a bridge in Texas, video shows

New video shows nearly a thousand illegal immigrants being held by border patrol agents under a bridge near the southern border in Texas, with a top Republican calling it an “absolute catast…

nypost.com

2. Agree NS2 is a good deal for the EU, so why is the US paying $24b a year to keep US troops in the EU to protect them from the Russians????? WTF?
3. We need to bring US troops home and save that $24b a year.
4. Let Russia and the Stans eat that gas, its better than funding Russia's military.

Do you have any cites for the cost of stationing troops in europe?