"Biden's documents are different from Trump's documents"

[BWK]

They are completely different. I submit that they aren't classified, and they were taken because they incriminate the Biden crime family. The whole classified document story is bullshit, supported by the MSM.

As senile and stupid as Uncle Joe is, even he wouldn't keep classified documents in a box in his ******* garage.

Dude, you are a ******* liar on different fronts. You have zero evidence there is a Biden crime family for one, and you have zero evidence Trumps documents are not classified either. You are a miserable pos liar.

As for crime family, would you care to correct the record that the Trump Univ. Foundation, and Trump org. weren't involved in crimes? I didn't think so.

 

[BWK]

lol

If it turns out his aide was a Chinese spy something will happen to him.

How so?

 

[BWK]

Garland is a Jew. He's a liar, just like your source, The Jew York Slimes!

What are the proven lies?

 

[BWK]

The fact that they are trying to fabricate such a huge "scandal" for Biden out of this false equivalency nothingburger tells us what they are REALLY afraid of.

Apparently Trump is about to go down for his espionage crimes....so they're throwing this "whatabout Biden" crap against the wall hoping something will stick and give them some hope of being able to talk their way out of supporting Trump, an enemy of The United States.

When in reality these two document issues are not the same.
They aren't even similar.



In Trump’s case, staff at the archives office realized it did not have all the records it should have once he left the White House, and had to repeatedly engage with the former president’s representatives to get those materials. Trump turned over some boxes, and archives staff found documents marked top secret and confidential and alerted the Justice Department. Other materials that were missing forced a subsequent raid of Trump’s residence.

Degree of difference: In Biden’s case, 10 documents from his time as Obama’s vice president were in a folder found in a locked closet in the D.C. office. The materials discovered in his garage are yet to be described. Trump’s case, by comparison, involves hundreds of documents, both rated top secret and confidential. Using a court-approved subpoena sought by the Justice Department, FBI agents found sensitive materials in different areas at the Mar-a-Lago residence.

Why and why not a raid: The reason there was no raid on Biden’s D.C. office is that his own lawyer made the National Archives aware of the missing documents. Trump, by contrast, resisted the National Archives’ efforts to get his records. CNN sums up Trump’s approach this way: “At various points, Trump denied he had the material, claimed it was planted by the bureau (FBI), insisted that he owned it or ludicrously suggested he had simply declassified it with a private thought.” A grand jury subpoena led to an initial search in June of 2022. Then the FBI was tipped that not all materials had been handed over at Mar-a-Lago. That led to the raid.

https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article271057482.html

TRump will definitely be indicted.

 

[Burgermeister]

Dude, you are a ******* liar on different fronts. You have zero evidence there is a Biden crime family for one, and you have zero evidence Trumps documents are not classified either. You are a miserable pos liar.

As for crime family, would you care to correct the record that the Trump Univ. Foundation, and Trump org. weren't involved in crimes? I didn't think so.

How old are you, DUDE? LOL.

 

[BWK]

How old are you, DUDE? LOL.

Old enough to know you can't defend the bs you pedal.

 

[Burgermeister]

Old enough to know you can't defend the bs you pedal.

How old are you?

 

[Doc7505]

Bullshit!

Prove it.... You can't. You're slanted in your ideology you walk bent to the Left..

Joey Xi Bai Dung did in actuality steal those classified documents. The documents have never been declassified. Who did he sell the information to? Was It China, Iran and the Ukraine or all three?
Joey Xi and is son are traitors and so is anyone tat supports their criminal actions.

What we know about President Bidenâs classified document scandal

President Biden has been silent since news broke late Monday that classified documents from his days as vice president were found at a DC think tank that bears his name. Here’s what we know so far.…

nypost.com

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Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location

On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.

www.nbcnews.com

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Biden's Stolen Classified Docs and a Possible $54M Donation to His Think Tank

In addition to the possibility of a corrupt $54M donation, Biden basically stole those documents and did it with intent.

www.independentsentinel.com

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Biden's Stolen Classified Documents Relate to U.S. Government Activity in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

In the final days of the Obama and Biden administration, in mid-January of 2017, Joe Biden visited Ukraine and the people in/around the government were perplexed about the actual intent of the visit. Why was it important for Joe Biden to visit Ukraine in the last week of the Obama...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[krichton]

...I have been seeing a lot of people claiming this, so lets examine the differences.


"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"

Correction, Biden's LAWYER who randomly found the documents reported it immediately. Why? Because he is a lawyer who knows that if he didnt do that, he would now be a part of this crime too. He isnt going to take the fall for The Big Guy. He already knows that the Biden's are going to be heavily investigated. He undoubtedly wants no part of that. Also, reporting it now doesnt mean that the crime of taking them in the first place wasnt committed. Admitting to murder doesnt mean you wont get in trouble for it.


"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"

Trump had a bunch of random stuff, like letters from Kim Jong Un. The amount of documents is irrelevant. Its either a crime to take documents or it isnt. Furthermore, according to CNN, Biden had material with the SCI classification, which is higher than Top Secret. This is the order of classification from lowest to highest... Classified, Secret, Top Secret, SCI. Also, its important to point out that Hillary had HUNDREDS of documents. Way more than Trump.


"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."

You would have to be a fool to think that Biden didnt know. Aint no one gonna believe that horseshit. Biden also didnt have declassification powers as VP. Trump can declassify at will. I know you democrats will say "nuh uh", but you cant prove my statement wrong beyond that. Worse case scenario is that a legal debate will take place to determine if presidents can do what Trump did, but currently it isnt illegal. Biden taking them however is HIGHLY illegal and it isnt legally debatable.



More differences im seeing are the fact that we knew immediately in real time about Trumps documents. Bidens document scandal was hidden for 2 months. It was hidden right before the midterm elections in fact. I think we can all agree that there isnt a chance in ******* hell that Biden's homes will get raided by the FBI, unlike Trump. Hillary didnt get raided either, nor did Bill Clinton.

"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"
Biden's lawyer reported it immediately and Biden is cooperating fully with the investigation. That seems pretty damn significant. Conversely, Trump refused to return documents to the national archives for many months until the FBI had to raid his residence, and he still continued to hide documents. This precisely what a criminal would do.

"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"
Biden shouldn't have any much less 10 but is it conceivable to mistakenly take 10 classified documents? Maybe. I'm not going to give Biden a pass on that. But conflating these 10 documents with the 300 Trump took, including nuclear secrets is not remotely comparable.

"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."
Maybe he did. Who knows. Trump can declassify a wide range of things, but he did not for all the documents he stole. You can't just say to yourself, I'll "declassify" these now so that means I can take them. There are procedures in place for this and Trump never went through any of them. No one in his administration is aware of it either and said as much. Nice try.

There's no Biden scandal. No one even knew he had the documents until he turned them over. The FBI had to raid Trumps home in order to get them back. That's a scandal.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Godboy]

"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"
Biden's lawyer reported it immediately and Biden is cooperating fully with the investigation. That seems pretty damn significant. Conversely, Trump refused to return documents to the national archives for many months until the FBI had to raid his residence, and he still continued to hide documents. This precisely what a criminal would do.

"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"
Biden shouldn't have any much less 10 but is it conceivable to mistakenly take 10 classified documents? Maybe. I'm not going to give Biden a pass on that. But conflating these 10 documents with the 300 Trump took, including nuclear secrets is not remotely comparable.

"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."
Maybe he did. Who knows. Trump can declassify a wide range of things, but he did not for all the documents he stole. You can't just say to yourself, I'll "declassify" these now so that means I can take them. There are procedures in place for this and Trump never went through any of them. No one in his administration is aware of it either and said as much. Nice try.

There's no Biden scandal. No one even knew he had the documents until he turned them over. The FBI had to raid Trumps home in order to get them back. That's a scandal.

Everything you just said was said by many people before you in this thread and every one of those points were disproven. I dont have time to repeat it all at the moment, but you will find that i already answered those points in this thread.

 

[JGalt]

Every U.S. President has the Right to DE-CLASSIFY or RE-CLASSIFY documents which that president uttered or was material to producing, where that President reasonably deems there is no threat created by doing so (such as months or years after a Military operation for which a document might have once been TOP SECRET or SECRET or CONFIDENTIAL.

Every U.S. President after leaving Office has the Right to retain and store in a secure private area any CONFIDENTIAL or DECLASSIFIED (PUBLIC DOMAIN) documents in original or copied form for that President's quick-reference and proof.

It is a matter of Government Record that President Obama has in private storage over 8,000 such CLASSIFIED documents which took a semi truck to transport...but that is his Right as President if he uttered or was materially involved in producing them.​

None of Trump's stored documents were outside the limits of what he was legally allowed to store in a secure area. The FBI Agents who raided had to Order their way past Secret Service Agents with a WARRANT, defeat a security system and force their way into (Break and Enter) a secured storage room to seize the documents, which they then PHOTOGRAPHED ON SITE (none of them having ANY Clearance) and TWEETED the photos! (How stupid are they?)

Joe Biden's documents​

• WERE and STILL ARE "CLASSIFIED"
• Not uttered or materially produced by Biden as President
• STOLEN documents literally LOST and FORGOTTEN for 6 years
• Stored in his CAR GARAGE with a door often left OPEN on a property with no gate or Secret Service or Security presence and frequented by Hunter Biden and his drug-addicted friends who we don't know for sure if they were just SPIES providing DRUGS for ACCESS. NO CHAIN OF CUSTODY. NOBODY knows where they came from, who looked at them or how many OTHER documents were stolen from his stash by randoms or spies... because they were not supposed to be there and nobody was keeping track of them all!**
• removed from White House while he was VICE-President which he did not have the legal authority to do.

THAT is why Biden committed Espionage Act violations and Trump did not. You don't need to like it for it to be true.

 

[MagicMike]

Prove it.... You can't. You're slanted in your ideology you walk bent to the Left..

Joey Xi Bai Dung did in actuality steal those classified documents. The documents have never been declassified. Who did he sell the information to? Was It China, Iran and the Ukraine or all three?
Joey Xi and is son are traitors and so is anyone tat supports their criminal actions.

What we know about President Bidenâs classified document scandal

President Biden has been silent since news broke late Monday that classified documents from his days as vice president were found at a DC think tank that bears his name. Here’s what we know so far.…

nypost.com

**********​

Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location

On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.

www.nbcnews.com

**********​

Biden's Stolen Classified Docs and a Possible $54M Donation to His Think Tank

In addition to the possibility of a corrupt $54M donation, Biden basically stole those documents and did it with intent.

www.independentsentinel.com

**********​

Biden's Stolen Classified Documents Relate to U.S. Government Activity in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

In the final days of the Obama and Biden administration, in mid-January of 2017, Joe Biden visited Ukraine and the people in/around the government were perplexed about the actual intent of the visit. Why was it important for Joe Biden to visit Ukraine in the last week of the Obama...

theconservativetreehouse.com

Bullshit!

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Prove it.... You can't. You're slanted in your ideology you walk bent to the Left..

Joey Xi Bai Dung did in actuality steal those classified documents. The documents have never been declassified. Who did he sell the information to? Was It China, Iran and the Ukraine or all three?
Joey Xi and is son are traitors and so is anyone tat supports their criminal actions.

What we know about President Bidenâs classified document scandal

President Biden has been silent since news broke late Monday that classified documents from his days as vice president were found at a DC think tank that bears his name. Here’s what we know so far.…

nypost.com

**********​

Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location

On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.

www.nbcnews.com

**********​

Biden's Stolen Classified Docs and a Possible $54M Donation to His Think Tank

In addition to the possibility of a corrupt $54M donation, Biden basically stole those documents and did it with intent.

www.independentsentinel.com

**********​

Biden's Stolen Classified Documents Relate to U.S. Government Activity in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

In the final days of the Obama and Biden administration, in mid-January of 2017, Joe Biden visited Ukraine and the people in/around the government were perplexed about the actual intent of the visit. Why was it important for Joe Biden to visit Ukraine in the last week of the Obama...

theconservativetreehouse.com

Oh look, some links you never read.

 

[Doc7505]

Biden Admin Fails to Comply with Classified Doc Probe After Vowing ‘Highest Standards of Transparency​

Biden Fails to Comply with Classified Doc Probe After Vowing 'Transparency'

The Biden administration has failed to comply with the House Oversight Committee's investigation into Joe Biden's mishandling of documents.

www.breitbart.com

14 Jan 2023 ~~ By Wendel Husebo

The Biden administration has failed to comply with the House Oversight Committee’s investigation into President Joe Biden’s mishandling of top secret documents after promising the “highest standards of transparency” in United States history.
In a letter issued by the president on February 4, 2021, Biden vowed the highest standards of transparency would be “revitalized” and implemented within his administration.
“In a democracy, the public deserves as much transparency as possible regarding the work of our national security institutions, consistent with legitimate needs to protect sources and methods and sensitive foreign relationships,” Biden’s letter stated.
“The revitalization of our national security and foreign policy workforce requires a recommitment to the highest standards of transparency,” the president wrote.
But Biden has failed to live up to his promised standard.
~Snip~
While the White House appears to be trying to deflect blame, former Department of Justice prosecutor Andrew McCarthy argued Thursday that Biden has already admitted guilt. Biden has claimed no knowledge of the violation.
“That’s not a defense to a charge of mishandling classified information,” McCarthy stated. It is tantamount to an admission of guilt.”
“For conviction, federal law requires prosecutors to establish that the defendant was grossly negligent. There is no need to prove that an accused was trying to harm the United States; just that he was trusted with classified information and carelessly flouted the standards for safeguarding it,” McCarthy said.

Commentary:
To begin, who within the Biden administration decided to have non-government lawyers muck around with the classified docs. Were these personal lawyers even cleared to see or handle the documents? This is surely not a normal situation, to say the least.
I'm sure that Obama as been speaking overtime to Cucky Schumer regarding this Biden family clusterfuck.
Rules and Laws don't seem to apply to Maoist/DSA Democrats. We know that because they tell us so and ignore those all of the time.
The fact is that VP doesn't have the ability to declassify and can't hold classified documents, even if he later steals the presidency as Biden did.
Each time the Quisling Media ignores the obvious corruption that permeates from the Maoist/DSA Democrat bowels, it's added to the play book of their standards..
And remember this... While the Media spins its Talking Points, Trump has the right to have documents in his possession while Biden did not have the clearance nor authority to have his documents as VP - so it does not matter if he's complying..
He's already admitted that he had possession of these classified documents. Who gave them to him? Did he steal them... Just how were these National Secrets obtained be Biden?
Surely the Cristopher Wray's FBI will be getting their fully armed SWAT teams together as soon as possible and raid all of Biden's properties...oh wait...

 

[Rigby5]

Biden also didnt have declassification powers as VP. Trump can declassify at will.

While it is true the statutes say a president "can declassify at will", for some reason the statutes also include the VP as totally exempt from all classified doc laws, and that the VP also "can declassify at will".
The rational is that they are elected by the people, so then gain their authority from a much higher power than those who are just appointed or hired.

 

[Rigby5]

TRump will definitely be indicted.

Nonsense.
I do not like or support Trump in any way, but clearly presidents and VPs are totally exempt from all classified doc laws explicitly. They are not just immune, but can dictate anything they want regarding classified docs.

 

[Doc7505]

Still more classified documents found in Biden home​

BREAKING: Still more classified documents found in Biden home

Just remember that Joe Biden takes classified documents “seriously.” He takes it as seriously as he does his Corvette! Although, one has to wonder whether Biden can also dig up a few more...

hotair.com

14 Jan 2023 ~~ By Ed Morrisey

Just remember that Joe Biden takes classified documents “seriously.” He takes it as seriously as he does his Corvette! Although, one has to wonder whether Biden can also dig up a few more Corvettes in Wilmington of which he was unaware until now.
Like, say, five or six more around the garage, or maybe in the laundry room:

President Biden’s aides found additional pages of classified information at his Delaware home this week, the White House said on Saturday, bringing the tally to six pages uncovered this week.​

The additional pages, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said, were discovered hours after a White House statement on Thursday that cited only one that had turned up in a storage area adjacent to the garage of his Wilmington home. Justice Department employees had gone to retrieve that page, which Mr. Biden’s aides had discovered the night before.​

~Snip~
This raises another question, too. The spread of these materials in the Wilmington home makes it clear that someone was making use of them at some point. Otherwise, the classified material would have remained in the boxes in which they were initially packaged from Biden’s vice-presidential term. That’s not “inadvertently misplacing” material, but intentional retention and unauthorized uses of classified material.
And that makes the obvious questions even more acute. What did the classified information contain, and what was Biden’s interest in it? Who else accessed this material, and for what purpose? How much more is there to find?
It’s time to send the FBI in with search warrants to answer the last question. And maybe to start considering the addition of obstruction to the list of potential charges, too. In the meantime, let’s try to count all of the ways in which Biden lied just two days ago in this statement.
Update: On Twitter, one person wondered why the FBI would be needed if Biden was cooperating. For one thing, the material needs to be properly secured, but for another, do we know he’s cooperating? Or is his team vetting the materials and destroying anything that might implicate Biden and his associates in further crimes? Hillary Clinton managed to pull that off with the files on her server before allowing the FBI to inspect them, let’s not forget.

Commentary:
How long is it going to be before someone checks Hunter’s room?
Seems the FBI as yet to do a thorough search of the Biden mansion, beach house, and former Biden family offices.
Will they do the same to Biden as was done to Trump at Mar-a-lago.
What is occurring doesn't pass even the simplest smell test.
The only "finding" that is going on here is a choreographed control of a sequence of news cycles. This is not a "finding", this is a "planting" in a series to that the news cycle is driven for days, and perhaps a week or two.
Looks more like a scrubbing operation by Team Biden to me. The truly incriminating evidence is or has been destroyed rather than reported.
The FBI wouldn’t even allow Trump’s attorneys to observe the raid, but they allow Joey’s lawyers to conduct multiple searches in lieu of an FBI raid! Trump’s case was just destroyed by the actions of these lying hypocritical scumbags!

 

[Godboy]

While it is true the statutes say a president "can declassify at will", for some reason the statutes also include the VP as totally exempt from all classified doc laws, and that the VP also "can declassify at will".
The rational is that they are elected by the people, so then gain their authority from a much higher power than those who are just appointed or hired.

A VP can ONLY declassify documents that HE personally had classified in the first place. There is no indication that these documents fall into that rare category.