Biden Won’t Fire Anyone Over Afghanistan Debacle

[JoeB131]

No, I haven’t…But let me make sure I understand you. After 9/11/01, you would have what? Apologized to AQ?

I'll tell you what I wouldn't have done.

I wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan, turned the place over to a bunch of corrupt, drug dealing child molesters, to go send troop to Iraq to get weapons that never existed, while Al Qaeda got away and the Taliban slowly won hearts and minds.

The reality of this war is that we outsourced it from the very beginning. If we were serious about the war, we should have started a draft, imposed higher taxes to pay for it, and then fought it until it was won with no distractions.

Instead, we outsourced it to contractors and local warlords and found out, um, yeah, they all had their own agendas, which involved stealing as much money as we pumped into the place as they could.

 

[j-mac]

Well who caused it?

George W Bush invaded... Can't fire him...
Trump signed the withdrawal agreement... US People fired him...
Pompeo negotiated the deal... Again US People got that..

The Generals said not to reduce the troop levels so low... They were right so can't fire them...

Seems Biden is right... US People fired everyone who should have been fired...

He should resign…

 

[j-mac]

I'll tell you what I wouldn't have done.

I wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan, turned the place over to a bunch of corrupt, drug dealing child molesters, to go send troop to Iraq to get weapons that never existed, while Al Qaeda got away and the Taliban slowly won hearts and minds.

The reality of this war is that we outsourced it from the very beginning. If we were serious about the war, we should have started a draft, imposed higher taxes to pay for it, and then fought it until it was won with no distractions.

Instead, we outsourced it to contractors and local warlords and found out, um, yeah, they all had their own agendas, which involved stealing as much money as we pumped into the place as they could.

You wouldn’t have invaded Afghanistan…so what would have done? People were looking to you for a response…tell us.

 

[JoeB131]

Well who caused it?

George W Bush invaded... Can't fire him...
Trump signed the withdrawal agreement... US People fired him...
Pompeo negotiated the deal... Again US People got that..

The Generals said not to reduce the troop levels so low... They were right so can't fire them...

Seems Biden is right... US People fired everyone who should have been fired...

And let's own up to this as a country. There was no real political disagreement about getting out of Afghanistan in the 2020 election. Trump and Biden were pretty much in agreement that we should get out in accordance with the agreement that Pompeo signed.

Both of them were kind of delusional about the efficacy of the Afghan Government. But most Americans were fine with that, they just wanted out.

Well. This is what getting out looks like, especially when you have a bunch of military contractors and NGO's who don't get their people out when they were told to months ago.

It's kind of like ordering a steak and after you're halfway through your meal, they show you footage from the slaughterhouse.

 

[JoeB131]

You wouldn’t have invaded Afghanistan…so what would have done? People were looking to you for a response…tell us.

I just told you... Man, talking to a conservative is like talking to Corky the Retard.

No, invading Afghanistan WAS stupid. No problem going after Al Qaeda bases, but we probably could have done that in cooperation with the Taliban.

Check this out from October 2001.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

9.30pm update: * Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt * Second week of airstrikes starts * Taliban urges US to halt bombing

www.theguardian.com

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty". In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.

But it would have to be a state that would never "come under pressure from the United States", he said.

Mr Kabir urged America to halt its air campaign, now in its eighth day, and open negotiations. "If America were to step back from the current policy, then we could negotiate," he said. "Then we could discuss which third country."

 

[CowboyTed]

I'll tell you what I wouldn't have done.

I wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan, turned the place over to a bunch of corrupt, drug dealing child molesters, to go send troop to Iraq to get weapons that never existed, while Al Qaeda got away and the Taliban slowly won hearts and minds.

The reality of this war is that we outsourced it from the very beginning. If we were serious about the war, we should have started a draft, imposed higher taxes to pay for it, and then fought it until it was won with no distractions.

Instead, we outsourced it to contractors and local warlords and found out, um, yeah, they all had their own agendas, which involved stealing as much money as we pumped into the place as they could.

The way US should have engaged would be...

First get the Taliban on the blower... Explain that they want QA and OBL... Explain that you will be sending in UN Military observers(e.g. from Europe) to make sure you are doing that... If they are not delivered, UN guys will go home and we will start giving Special Forces training, Artillery and Air cover(a lot of drones) to the various warlords fighting you... We will also taking some warlord soilders and training them in sniper school and giving them high powered rifles as well...

So for little risk and not a huge amount of money we would create untold hell for them OR just do what your told... And also clean up your human rights...

As a sidenote: At the moment there is a lot of old smaller oil tankers being decommissioned and broken up for scrape... US should try and get there hands on a few... Convert them into Drone Ships... Cheap and cheerful... Slap a few Phalanx on top and away you go... Could have them up and running in 6 months... Might cause defence shipbuilders to shit the bed...
Drones are a far more human way to wage war. They might not have the bravery or have a movie franchise like Rambo but they are very effective and cause considerably less collateral damage than an invading army.. A lot more time and consideration is taken where a solider getting shot at has split seconds..

 

[j-mac]

I just told you... Man, talking to a conservative is like talking to Corky the Retard.

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No, invading Afghanistan WAS stupid. No problem going after Al Qaeda bases, but we probably could have done that in cooperation with the Taliban.

Check this out from October 2001.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

9.30pm update: * Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt * Second week of airstrikes starts * Taliban urges US to halt bombing

www.theguardian.com

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty". In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.

But it would have to be a state that would never "come under pressure from the United States", he said.

Mr Kabir urged America to halt its air campaign, now in its eighth day, and open negotiations. "If America were to step back from the current policy, then we could negotiate," he said. "Then we could discuss which third country."

Interesting, the fact is, we knew OBL launched the attacks on 9/11, and the Taliban was covering for, and harboring them, making them complicit. So, Bush was absolutely correct to attack them.

The problem is we don't fight wars to win anymore...What Bush should have done is hit that country with unbridled force from the ground, Air, and sea.. He should have pounded them into dust. Now you have today.

Both Trump, and Biden wanted out. The difference is that Biden wanted a political victory from surrender, and he screwed it up so bad that he now will be responsible for possibly thousands if Americans deaths and do nothing about it.

He's a coward! And history will appropriately label him so. Regardless of his fake tears.

 

[theHawk]

Translation: Everything is going to plan just like Joe wants.

Biden doesn’t plan to fire anyone over Kabul chaos, sources say

Biden isn't inclined to fire any senior national security officials over the chaos in Kabul unless the situation drastically deteriorates.

www.axios.com

He’s the one that should be fired.

Not that he was ever hired to do this job.

 

[Independent thinker]

Well who caused it?

George W Bush invaded... Can't fire him...
Trump signed the withdrawal agreement... US People fired him...
Pompeo negotiated the deal... Again US People got that..

The Generals said not to reduce the troop levels so low... They were right so can't fire them...

Seems Biden is right... US People fired everyone who should have been fired...

All that aside, pretty much everyone admits that this was really handled very, very badly. In the end, this is going to cost us way more than if we would have just followed the status quo. We don't really know for sure how this would have gone down under Trump but he was in favor of pulling us out. But, would we have had this very same fiasco? Maybe, maybe not. As with the Coronvirus under Trump, Biden owns this disaster. He can't really blame how it all went down on anyone but himself but, of course, he will try and the left will try.

 

[JoeB131]

Interesting, the fact is, we knew OBL launched the attacks on 9/11, and the Taliban was covering for, and harboring them, making them complicit. So, Bush was absolutely correct to attack them.

Except the US knew Bin Laden was in Afghanistan for years and never asked for him to be extradited. We also didn't extradite him when he was living in the Sudan and the Sudanese were willing to give him up. (And yes, this is a criticism of Clinton, because I'm not a partisan monkey like you are.)

Bush didn't even know what Al Qaeda was when he took office. (He knew who Bin Laden was, but his advisors gave Richard Clarke stupid looks when he talked about AQ)

The problem is we don't fight wars to win anymore...What Bush should have done is hit that country with unbridled force from the ground, Air, and sea.. He should have pounded them into dust. Now you have today.

Yeah, we tried that in Vietnam. We bombed North Vietnam for 10 years, dropped more bombs on them than we did on Germany and Japan combined in WWII. Funny thing, they didn't give up.

Both Trump, and Biden wanted out. The difference is that Biden wanted a political victory from surrender, and he screwed it up so bad that he now will be responsible for possibly thousands if Americans deaths and do nothing about it.

Any American who dies after August 31 has no one to blame but himself.

Also, the guy who surrendered was Trump when he negotiated a separate peace with the Taliban.

 

[lantern2814]

Except the US knew Bin Laden was in Afghanistan for years and never asked for him to be extradited. We also didn't extradite him when he was living in the Sudan and the Sudanese were willing to give him up. (And yes, this is a criticism of Clinton, because I'm not a partisan monkey like you are.)

Bush didn't even know what Al Qaeda was when he took office. (He knew who Bin Laden was, but his advisors gave Richard Clarke stupid looks when he talked about AQ)



Yeah, we tried that in Vietnam. We bombed North Vietnam for 10 years, dropped more bombs on them than we did on Germany and Japan combined in WWII. Funny thing, they didn't give up.



Any American who dies after August 31 has no one to blame but himself.

Also, the guy who surrendered was Trump when he negotiated a separate peace with the Taliban.

Boy you are an Un-American piece of shit. Leave Americans to die and blame them. FOAD asshole. BIDEN surrendered not Trump dipshit.

 

[JoeB131]

Boy you are an Un-American piece of shit. Leave Americans to die and blame them. FOAD asshole. BIDEN surrendered not Trump dipshit.

Uh, nobody forced these people to go to Afghanistan... they went there to make a profit off the rotting corpse of the corrupt government Trump's agreement effectively killed.

Trump wrote an agreement with the Taliban, we were pulling out our troops, no conditions, on May 1st. The only thing Biden did was extend that to August 31st to give the War Profiteers more time to leave, which they didn't despite being told to.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Except the US knew Bin Laden was in Afghanistan for years and never asked for him to be extradited. We also didn't extradite him when he was living in the Sudan and the Sudanese were willing to give him up. (And yes, this is a criticism of Clinton, because I'm not a partisan monkey like you are.)

Bush didn't even know what Al Qaeda was when he took office. (He knew who Bin Laden was, but his advisors gave Richard Clarke stupid looks when he talked about AQ)



Yeah, we tried that in Vietnam. We bombed North Vietnam for 10 years, dropped more bombs on them than we did on Germany and Japan combined in WWII. Funny thing, they didn't give up.



Any American who dies after August 31 has no one to blame but himself.

Also, the guy who surrendered was Trump when he negotiated a separate peace with the Taliban.

Dufus thinks we had an extradition treaty with Afghanistan.
Meanwhile in the real world:

Bill Clinton, Hours Before 9/11 Attacks: 'I Could Have Killed' Osama bin Laden​

Bill Clinton, Hours Before 9/11 Attacks: 'I Could Have Killed' Osama bin Laden

Hours before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, former U.S. President Bill Clinton told an audience in Australia about his missed chance to kill attack mastermind Osama bin Laden, according to audio released this week.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Weatherman2020]

Uh, nobody forced these people to go to Afghanistan... they went there to make a profit off the rotting corpse of the corrupt government Trump's agreement effectively killed.

Trump wrote an agreement with the Taliban, we were pulling out our troops, no conditions, on May 1st. The only thing Biden did was extend that to August 31st to give the War Profiteers more time to leave, which they didn't despite being told to.

Again with the lies. The withdrawal required a peace agreement between the Taliban and Afghanistan government and that no terrorist groups would operate in Afghanistan.

Both requirements not met and Joe bypassed them to meet his fabricated arbitrarily picked withdrawal date.

 

[Dragonlady]

Translation: Everything is going to plan just like Joe wants.

Biden doesn’t plan to fire anyone over Kabul chaos, sources say

Biden isn't inclined to fire any senior national security officials over the chaos in Kabul unless the situation drastically deteriorates.

www.axios.com

Translation: Today's "Biden is failing" thread.

You said Biden couldn't vaccinate a million people a day, and then he vaccinated 3 million in one day.

You said that Biden couldn't save Americans and Afghans fleeing the Taliban and he's already airlifted more than 100,000 people out of Afghanistan.

You said he'd do nothing to avenge yesterday's terror attack, and he's already taken out the ISIS-K leader that Trump RELEASED, in a drone strike.

Don't you ever tire of being wrong about Joe Biden and Donald Trump?

 

[Dragonlady]

Again with the lies. The withdrawal required a peace agreement between the Taliban and Afghanistan government and that no terrorist groups would operate in Afghanistan.

Both requirements not met and Joe bypassed them to meet his fabricated arbitrarily picked withdrawal date.

If both of these requirements weren't met, why did Trump draw down forces and allow the release of Taliban and ISIS prisoners?

Trump did nothing to prevent what is happening now and much to enable it, including allowing Stephen Miller to end the visa program for interpreters and their families.

 

[struth]

It’s obvious the message from Xiden and the Dembot Admin is this was planned. Sad.

Obviously there is zero accountability in this admin

 

[Desperado]

Except he signed an agreement to do exactly that. If we had followed Trump's plan, we'd have been out of there in May.

So the real question is, why didn't Trump do anything to get all those contractors out in the year between signing the deal and leaving office?

So the real question is why didn't biden honor the May agreement?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Biden probably thought that he would get a Nobel Prize for pulling out of Afghanistan.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Except he signed an agreement to do exactly that. If we had followed Trump's plan, we'd have been out of there in May.

So the real question is, why didn't Trump do anything to get all those contractors out in the year between signing the deal and leaving office?

Trump was the architect, America just hired a crappy contractor