Biden fearful of how Black Hawk Down moment might make him look

[jknowgood]

You know Trump drew down the troops to 2500... He wanted none but the Generals pushed back....

Biden had 3 months with a skeleton staff in place...

It is also very clear that Trump Admin stopped any Afghan nationals to repatriate to US...

Trump had years to do this and threw a hospital pass to the incoming President...

Trump Says He Wants All Troops in Afghanistan Home by Christmas, Going Further Than Security Adviser

Just hours after national security adviser Robert O’Brien said the number of American troops in Afghanistan would be reduced to about 2,500 by early next year, President Trump tweeted that all troops should be out of Afghanistan by Christmas.

www.wsj.com

Look at this Trump would have gone at Christmas...

Yet that 2500 kept Afghanistan from a take over by the Taliban. Trump is magnificent, then comes along Biden and screws the pooch!

 

[CowboyTed]

And?

The nation would have collapsed no matter who pulled them out.

Agreed... Some people are acting like the result was some how in doubt...

Biden pulled the band aid and it was always going to be messy... Plenty

Yet that 2500 kept Afghanistan from a take over by the Taliban. Trump is magnificent, then comes along Biden and screws the pooch!

You seriously think that 2,500 US troops held back 70,000 Taliban troops because Trump was in charge...

US troops weren't fighting Taliban... It was part of the withdrawal deal...

So Trump was meant to be executing the withdrawal...

But the dumb fuck thought the withdrawal was the Troops and just the troops...
Didn't think of anything else, wanted them to be home by Christmas... Biden could have carried on the same way but he delayed to give more time to get more home... Biden in the last two weeks has brought over 20 times more Afghans out (30,000+) than Trump did (600) for the whole of 2020...

 

[jknowgood]

Agreed... Some people are acting like the result was some how in doubt...

Biden pulled the band aid and it was always going to be messy... Plenty

You seriously think that 2,500 US troops held back 70,000 Taliban troops because Trump was in charge...

US troops weren't fighting Taliban... It was part of the withdrawal deal...

So Trump was meant to be executing the withdrawal...

But the dumb fuck thought the withdrawal was the Troops and just the troops...
Didn't think of anything else, wanted them to be home by Christmas... Biden could have carried on the same way but he delayed to give more time to get more home... Biden in the last two weeks has brought over 20 times more Afghans out (30,000+) than Trump did (600) for the whole of 2020...

Well Trump's removal date was in May. That deal was broken. Biden's date is August 31st. So it's not Trump's screw up, Biden screwed the pooch.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What international deal was on the southern border?

Even if there was did Biden change an international deal witout other signatories?

Trump had a deal with the Taliban... I don't know how the fuck you do business but wanted to Biden to renegotiating a deal after Trump had left just 2500 troops in the country facing an army of 70,000...

Could you tell us why Taliban would sign that deal... Biden got them to delay by 3 months... He encouraged Americans but the didn't, how was that Biden's fault?

So Biden bent the deal as far it was going... Taliban want Americans to leave...

Even if there was did Biden change an international deal witout other signatories?

You think that's what Trump did with the Paris Agreement?

 

[CowboyTed]

Even if there was did Biden change an international deal witout other signatories?

You think that's what Trump did with the Paris Agreement?

Trump just withdrew from the Paris agreement...

This is far more different than the Paris Agreement, main difference, there was no consequences really from pulling from Paris agreement...

But he also pulled out of TPP... This left China to take over and set up a trading block with them in charge.. Trump actually said he pulle dout because it gave China too much of an advantage, he was then informed that China wasn't in the TPP...

Some people are saying that Taliban broke the deal... Great, where is the monitoring, enforcement and penalties written into the agreement? hint: I think the Taliban insisted on it but not the US...

 

[CowboyTed]

Well Trump's removal date was in May. That deal was broken. Biden's date is August 31st. So it's not Trump's screw up, Biden screwed the pooch.

Actually Trump wanted all the troops out by Christmas... Taking out the troops will always be no problem...

What about the people you leave behind...

Trumpsters are giving out about Biden not saving every last single civilian while they were going to abandon them at Christmas anyway..

Trump Admin did all they could even breaking the law to stop Afghans coming to US

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump just withdrew from the Paris agreement...

This is far more different than the Paris Agreement, main difference, there was no consequences really from pulling from Paris agreement...

But he also pulled out of TPP... This left China to take over and set up a trading block with them in charge.. Trump actually said he pulle dout because it gave China too much of an advantage, he was then informed that China wasn't in the TPP...

Some people are saying that Taliban broke the deal... Great, where is the monitoring, enforcement and penalties written into the agreement? hint: I think the Taliban insisted on it but not the US...

Trump just withdrew from the Paris agreement...

Right. Because it wasn't a treaty.

But he also pulled out of TPP...

Which hadn't been ratified.

 

[CowboyTed]

Trump just withdrew from the Paris agreement...

Right. Because it wasn't a treaty.

But he also pulled out of TPP...

Which hadn't been ratified.

Paris Agreement was legally binding but allow for countries to withdraw without penalty...

US could pull out of deal with the Taliban but that means US Soldiers and personnel a legitimate targets..

This is the Irish describing Kabul Airport..

Tom Clonan: The Irish Army Ranger Wing face a treacherous Kabul - but they are highly trained

The security expert says every person evacuated from Kabul by the ARW will represent a life transformed, free of Taliban persecution.

www.thejournal.ie

"In addition to the situation on the ground, Kabul Airport is surrounded by high ground on all of its approaches – with hills and mountains dominating the low-level take-off and landing routes of any military or civilian aircraft involved in the evacuation. The Taliban possess a large number of weapons – including anti-aircraft guns and surface to air missiles – that are capable of taking out western aircraft in their vulnerable approach and departure phases of flight."

Biden wasn't left with enough troops to defend a position..

 

[Vel]

Paris Agreement was legally binding but allow for countries to withdraw without penalty...

US could pull out of deal with the Taliban but that means US Soldiers and personnel a legitimate targets..

This is the Irish describing Kabul Airport..

Tom Clonan: The Irish Army Ranger Wing face a treacherous Kabul - but they are highly trained

The security expert says every person evacuated from Kabul by the ARW will represent a life transformed, free of Taliban persecution.

www.thejournal.ie

"In addition to the situation on the ground, Kabul Airport is surrounded by high ground on all of its approaches – with hills and mountains dominating the low-level take-off and landing routes of any military or civilian aircraft involved in the evacuation. The Taliban possess a large number of weapons – including anti-aircraft guns and surface to air missiles – that are capable of taking out western aircraft in their vulnerable approach and departure phases of flight."

Biden wasn't left with enough troops to defend a position..

You seem to be overlooking the fact that the Taliban had already broken their agreement and as such the USA had no obligation to withdraw. Please stop pretending that Biden had no choice in this. He had every choice. He simply wanted to use September 11th as a trophy and because of that, people will die.

 

[jknowgood]

Actually Trump wanted all the troops out by Christmas... Taking out the troops will always be no problem...

What about the people you leave behind...

Trumpsters are giving out about Biden not saving every last single civilian while they were going to abandon them at Christmas anyway..

Trump Admin did all they could even breaking the law to stop Afghans coming to US

Biden extended the end of the war by three months. This is his screw up and his alone. You can play what if Trump games all day, but it doesn't stop the fact that Biden screwed the pooch.

 

[CowboyTed]

You seem to be overlooking the fact that the Taliban had already broken their agreement and as such the USA had no obligation to withdraw. Please stop pretending that Biden had no choice in this. He had every choice. He simply wanted to use September 11th as a trophy and because of that, people will die.

Please tell us the monitoring and enforcement mechanism of the agreement from the US side on the Taliban... There is no proof of Taliban breaking the agreement...

Remeber Biden had little leverage in an agreement unless he was willing to put 10s of thousands of troops back into Afghanistan..

Please tell us Biden's choices... Everything comes with consequences...

 

[CowboyTed]

You seem to be overlooking the fact that the Taliban had already broken their agreement and as such the USA had no obligation to withdraw. Please stop pretending that Biden had no choice in this. He had every choice. He simply wanted to use September 11th as a trophy and because of that, people will die.

The Taliban basically had to sign a pledge saying it wouldn’t harbor terrorists. Nowhere did the Taliban have to — nor did it choose to — denounce al-Qaeda, the terrorist group that launched the 9/11 attacks from Afghanistan, Miller writes.
The biggest tangible commitment from the Taliban looked like this: For seven days before the deal was signed, its leaders significantly reduced their attacks on Afghan forces to show they were capable of controlling the group across the country. But the deal didn’t require that the Taliban stop its attacks against Afghan security forces.
Overall, it was a pretty good deal for the Taliban, critics said. “Trump all but assured the future course of events would reflect the Taliban’s interests far more than the United States’,” Miller writes. H.R., McMaster, Trump’s second national security adviser, has recently called it “a surrender agreement with the Taliban.” Another member of Trump’s National Security Council said it was “a very weak agreement.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/20/trump-peace-deal-taliban/

The deal was shit... Biden stuck by it because he had next to no leverage in negotiations... Biden wasn't going to tell the US people that they werer going to plough 50,000 troops into a country which locals weren't even will to defend... Taliban would know that too... Why would taliban agree to anything more than they are doing today... Let the foreigners go...

 

[CowboyTed]

Biden extended the end of the war by three months. This is his screw up and his alone. You can play what if Trump games all day, but it doesn't stop the fact that Biden screwed the pooch.

He extended it so he could get more out... Biden has got more out in just the last two weeks that 20 times what Trump got out last year in total...

Trump wanted the troops out by Christmas... What would happened to these people if he got his way?

 

[jknowgood]

He extended it so he could get more out... Biden has got more out in just the last two weeks that 20 times what Trump got out last year in total...

Trump wanted the troops out by Christmas... What would happened to these people if he got his way?

Biden didn't get any civilians out, then when he realized he screwed up he had to send 6000 troops back. No matter how you try to spin it, Biden screwed the pooch.

 

[Vel]

The Taliban basically had to sign a pledge saying it wouldn’t harbor terrorists. Nowhere did the Taliban have to — nor did it choose to — denounce al-Qaeda, the terrorist group that launched the 9/11 attacks from Afghanistan, Miller writes.
The biggest tangible commitment from the Taliban looked like this: For seven days before the deal was signed, its leaders significantly reduced their attacks on Afghan forces to show they were capable of controlling the group across the country. But the deal didn’t require that the Taliban stop its attacks against Afghan security forces.
Overall, it was a pretty good deal for the Taliban, critics said. “Trump all but assured the future course of events would reflect the Taliban’s interests far more than the United States’,” Miller writes. H.R., McMaster, Trump’s second national security adviser, has recently called it “a surrender agreement with the Taliban.” Another member of Trump’s National Security Council said it was “a very weak agreement.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/20/trump-peace-deal-taliban/

The deal was shit... Biden stuck by it because he had next to no leverage in negotiations... Biden wasn't going to tell the US people that they werer going to plough 50,000 troops into a country which locals weren't even will to defend... Taliban would know that too... Why would taliban agree to anything more than they are doing today... Let the foreigners go...

Dude, you're simply making excuses. Biden wanted that September 11th date and nothing, not facts on the ground, not humanity, was going to stop him. We were not going to have to send 50,000 troops back to Afghanistan. The Afghan army was fighting the Taliban until we pulled air support. Trump's deal was for the Afghan government AND the Taliban to negotiate a shared agreement. Since that didn't happen, the current idiot in charge should have changed course.

 

[366h34d]

Dude, you're simply making excuses. Biden wanted that September 11th date and nothing, not facts on the ground, not humanity, was going to stop him. We were not going to have to send 50,000 troops back to Afghanistan. The Afghan army was fighting the Taliban until we pulled air support. Trump's deal was for the Afghan government AND the Taliban to negotiate a shared agreement. Since that didn't happen, the current idiot in charge should have changed course.

You are damn right. Biden wanted the pull-out before the 20th anniversary of 9/11 to be his first year in the office's money shot, but it ended up making a mess. Having said that, will people remember all of the messes at 2022 / 2024? I don't know. In the end, I highly doubt that anyone will bet on this form of gambling.

"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” -- Robert Gates

 

[CowboyTed]

Biden didn't get any civilians out, then when he realized he screwed up he had to send 6000 troops back. No matter how you try to spin it, Biden screwed the pooch.

Biden says flights out of Afghanistan resume, pledges to get all Americans out

Biden told ABC he may extend the Aug. 31 deadline for a full troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

www.cnbc.com

Biden is getting a lot out right now...

But these are people Trump failed to get out and he had a lot more time...

Stephen Miller stopped the Afghans coming to America... Miller has boasted about this on Fox...

The US Citizens choose to stay... Please tell us how Biden could force them to come to America... These people now want to leave when Taliban came to the city..

 

[CowboyTed]

Dude, you're simply making excuses. Biden wanted that September 11th date and nothing, not facts on the ground, not humanity, was going to stop him. We were not going to have to send 50,000 troops back to Afghanistan. The Afghan army was fighting the Taliban until we pulled air support. Trump's deal was for the Afghan government AND the Taliban to negotiate a shared agreement. Since that didn't happen, the current idiot in charge should have changed course.

Trump wanted the troops out by Christmas...

Trump signed a deal to be out by 30th of April..

Biden extended it to 31st August...

Taliban said no more extensions...

Biden has no leverage due to the hand he was dealt...

You guys want to paint an alternative reality... US had 2500 troops on the ground, Taliban has 70,000... Taliban were always getting in to Kabul... This would mean if a war started we are talking opposition of 70,000 enemy in 4.5 million city...
So could you tell me:

1. How many troops would America have to send?
2. how many American casualties?
3. how many civilian casualties?
4. What would the infrastructure of Kabul be like at the end?

 

[jknowgood]

Biden says flights out of Afghanistan resume, pledges to get all Americans out

Biden told ABC he may extend the Aug. 31 deadline for a full troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

www.cnbc.com

Biden is getting a lot out right now...

But these are people Trump failed to get out and he had a lot more time...

Stephen Miller stopped the Afghans coming to America... Miller has boasted about this on Fox...

The US Citizens choose to stay... Please tell us how Biden could force them to come to America... These people now want to leave when Taliban came to the city..

Trump has been out of office for almost 8 months. This is Biden's screw up. Even other countries say so. You know the ones you were worried about what they thought about us under Trump.

 

[jknowgood]

Biden says flights out of Afghanistan resume, pledges to get all Americans out

Biden told ABC he may extend the Aug. 31 deadline for a full troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

www.cnbc.com

Biden is getting a lot out right now...

But these are people Trump failed to get out and he had a lot more time...

Stephen Miller stopped the Afghans coming to America... Miller has boasted about this on Fox...

The US Citizens choose to stay... Please tell us how Biden could force them to come to America... These people now want to leave when Taliban came to the city..

Trump also left 2500 troops to make sure everything went smoothly and after Biden did what he does. It is taking 6000 troops to do it. When biden screws the pooch, he really screws the pooch!