Biden Accidentally Made the Best Case for Gun Rights Any President Ever Has

[bendog]

You are, as usual, wrong. Here, let the dudes who wrote the CONSTITUTION spell it out for you...

Thank you. Individual citizens were never suggested to have a right to rebel. States were empowered with militias, and the fed govt's power to compel states was limited. And in 1860, the federal govt did not make any move to alter slavery within an established state.

 

[westwall]

Thank you. Individual citizens were never suggested to have a right to rebel. States were empowered with militias, and the fed govt's power to compel states was limited. And in 1860, the federal govt did not make any move to alter slavery within an established state.

That's EXACTLY what the Founders were making possible.

Hell, Jefferson felt a revolution every 20 years was a good thing.

 

[bendog]

Thank you. Individual citizens were never suggested to have a right to rebel. States were empowered with militias, and the fed govt's power to compel states was limited. And in 1860, the federal govt did not make any move to alter slavery within an established state.

well, cite the const or bor giving INDIVIDUALS a right to use arms against their state or federal govts, WESTWALL. Link or FO

 

[westwall]

well, cite the const or bor giving INDIVIDUALS a right to use arms against their state or federal govts, WESTWALL. Link or FO

The quote you were attempting to refute with your moronic response is one.

Of course, were you to do a simple search of Founders quotes regarding the 2nd you wouldn't look like such an ignorant clod.

 

[bendog]

The quote you were attempting to refute with your moronic response is one.

Of course, were you to do a simple search of Founders quotes regarding the 2nd you wouldn't look like such an ignorant clod.

Where does the 2nd amend give any individual a right to attack a govt? You're verging on FO here.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[westwall]

Where does the 2nd amend give any individual a right to attack a govt? You're verging on FO here.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Below are just a very few of the Founders quotations dealing SPECIFICALLY with removing a criminal government. Now go piss up a rope.

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Stephens Smith, son-in-law of John Adams, December 20, 1787

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788


"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

 

[bendog]

None of that supports an INDIVIDUAL taking up arms against the govt. Before saying FO!, you might want to look at Letters from a Birmingham Jail