Bible criticism

[Dajjal]

I just ordered, The complete dead sea scrolls, from Amazon. It will be interesting to see how it compares with the bible.

That would be fascinating to read.

I would prefer a word for word parallel translation of the ancient Hebrew with the English.

Unless you do word for word and one word at a time your translation is subject to too much literary license.

I have ordered the Penguin classic translation.

 

[yiostheoy]

I just ordered, The complete dead sea scrolls, from Amazon. It will be interesting to see how it compares with the bible.

That would be fascinating to read.

I would prefer a word for word parallel translation of the ancient Hebrew with the English.

Unless you do word for word and one word at a time your translation is subject to too much literary license.

I have ordered the Penguin classic translation.

I have no idea how Penguin translated it.

I know that translating Hebrew into literal English is controversial and I have heard that ArtScroll does the best job -- but they (ArtScroll) have always given multiple alternative translations.

 

[BreezeWood]

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Unless you do word for word and one word at a time your translation is subject to too much literary license.

- your translation is subject to too much literary license.


for a written document that does not exist as an original copy your concern may be the reason the veracity of those followers of the demi publications without physical verification's is at best self ingratiating and needlessly burdensome to society as a whole.

particularly the demagoguery.

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[irosie91]

I just ordered, The complete dead sea scrolls, from Amazon. It will be interesting to see how it compares with the bible.

That would be fascinating to read.

I would prefer a word for word parallel translation of the ancient Hebrew with the English.

Unless you do word for word and one word at a time your translation is subject to too much literary license.

I have ordered the Penguin classic translation.

I have no idea how Penguin translated it.

I know that translating Hebrew into literal English is controversial and I have heard that ArtScroll does the best job -- but they (ArtScroll) have always given multiple alternative translations.

art scroll is scholarly----I have no idea about Penguin----as far as I know PENGUIN is a publishing house that PUBLISHES billions of books-----what you get as far as translations would be-------WHO the translators are

 

[hobelim]

Deut 13.7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

A round earth does not have ends.

ugh..You really need to expand your mind.

The 'ends of the earth' just means the furthest bounds of what was then the known world.

To save you some time,

Elijah being 'Taken up' into heaven is just a euphemism for his being killed by a lynch mob.

Jesus giving sight to the blind was a healing of perception not sight.

The resurrection and bodily ascension of Jesus is about the evolution of his soul after he left the tomb of false religious beliefs and degrading practices.

You should take a break from questioning scripture, go and read some poetry, learn about metaphors etc., and then try again

Elijah flew away in a golden chariot of fire.

There was no lynch mob.

Elijah being 'taken up' into heaven in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for him being killed by an angry swirling mob. People do not fly up into the sky.

The chariots of fire and the horsemen of Israel are just a different descriptions of the same thing that each prophet perceives in his mind before a divine visitation.

The burning bush, the glory of God, The one like unto a son of man, the living beasts, the hayot, ophanim, erelim, hashmallim, seraphim, malakim, elohim, cherubum, etc., are all descriptions of the same thing. Each prophet described what they saw and heard in their own words according to their ability to relate what they perceived in their mind as they stood in the presence of the living God..


Thats why Elijah told Elisha that he would be given the spirit of prophecy IF he "saw" the chariots of fire after he was killed, taken up.

 

[Indeependent]

The biggest question is if there is anything that would make you believe?

If the answer is yes, what?
If the answer is no, you have a closed mind and are a waste of time.

Believe what, the bunk in the old testament? That says the world is flat and its six thousand years old and Jonah was swallowed by a whale, etc, etc. I hardly think so.

Just curious...where does it say the world if flat and is 6,000 years old?

The bible Genesis says the heaven and earth were created in six days, and 2 peter says one of Gods days is a thousand years.

And you haven't answered the question since the sun wasn't created on the first day.
Now look up when the sun was formed and use critical thinking.

 

[Indeependent]

Deut 13.7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

A round earth does not have ends.

The k'tzay indicates time...no matter how long.
It's another bad translation by the RCC.
Far off from thee indicates distance.

 

[irosie91]

The biggest question is if there is anything that would make you believe?

If the answer is yes, what?
If the answer is no, you have a closed mind and are a waste of time.

Believe what, the bunk in the old testament? That says the world is flat and its six thousand years old and Jonah was swallowed by a whale, etc, etc. I hardly think so.

Feel free to quote the verses about the world being flat.
And I've seen a whale swallow a 500 pound seal, so......

no question----a WHALE and even a shark can swallow a man. As to Jonah-----what word ---in the original Hebrew is
used in the book of Jonah to describe the big fish SWALLOWING him. To be honest-----I do not know the word
TO SWALLOW (as in down the esophagus) in hebrew

BALA is swallow in HBRW.

you got the shoresh and some examples of its use ?-----just name the three letters if you can. In English one can say----HE WAS SWALLOWED BY THE DARKNESS-----or even ---the THE SEA SWALLOWED HIM. Korach was swallowed by the earth--------that means he fell into a hole

 

[Indeependent]

The biggest question is if there is anything that would make you believe?

If the answer is yes, what?
If the answer is no, you have a closed mind and are a waste of time.

Believe what, the bunk in the old testament? That says the world is flat and its six thousand years old and Jonah was swallowed by a whale, etc, etc. I hardly think so.

Feel free to quote the verses about the world being flat.
And I've seen a whale swallow a 500 pound seal, so......

no question----a WHALE and even a shark can swallow a man. As to Jonah-----what word ---in the original Hebrew is
used in the book of Jonah to describe the big fish SWALLOWING him. To be honest-----I do not know the word
TO SWALLOW (as in down the esophagus) in hebrew

BALA is swallow in HBRW.

you got the shoresh and some examples of its use ?-----just name the three letters if you can. In English one can say----HE WAS SWALLOWED BY THE DARKNESS-----or even ---the THE SEA SWALLOWED HIM. Korach was swallowed by the earth--------that means he fell into a hole

The word for swallow, ba'al, actually means owner. Many Hebrew words do not conceptualize well into English.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Deut 13.7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

A round earth does not have ends.

ugh..You really need to expand your mind.

The 'ends of the earth' just means the furthest bounds of what was then the known world.

To save you some time,

Elijah being 'Taken up' into heaven is just a euphemism for his being killed by a lynch mob.

Jesus giving sight to the blind was a healing of perception not sight.

The resurrection and bodily ascension of Jesus is about the evolution of his soul after he left the tomb of false religious beliefs and degrading practices.

You should take a break from questioning scripture, go and read some poetry, learn about metaphors etc., and then try again

Elijah flew away in a golden chariot of fire.

There was no lynch mob.

Elijah being 'taken up' into heaven in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for him being killed by an angry swirling mob. People do not fly up into the sky.

The chariots of fire and the horsemen of Israel are just a different descriptions of the same thing that each prophet perceives in his mind before a divine visitation.

The burning bush, the glory of God, The one like unto a son of man, the living beasts, the hayot, ophanim, erelim, hashmallim, seraphim, malakim, elohim, cherubum, etc., are all descriptions of the same thing. Each prophet described what they saw and heard in their own words according to their ability to relate what they perceived in their mind as they stood in the presence of the living God..


Thats why Elijah told Elisha that he would be given the spirit of prophecy IF he "saw" the chariots of fire after he was killed, taken up.

Yet another pea brain putting limits upon the creator of the universe.

 

[Indeependent]

J

Deut 13.7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

A round earth does not have ends.

ugh..You really need to expand your mind.

The 'ends of the earth' just means the furthest bounds of what was then the known world.

To save you some time,

Elijah being 'Taken up' into heaven is just a euphemism for his being killed by a lynch mob.

Jesus giving sight to the blind was a healing of perception not sight.

The resurrection and bodily ascension of Jesus is about the evolution of his soul after he left the tomb of false religious beliefs and degrading practices.

You should take a break from questioning scripture, go and read some poetry, learn about metaphors etc., and then try again

Elijah flew away in a golden chariot of fire.

There was no lynch mob.

Elijah being 'taken up' into heaven in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for him being killed by an angry swirling mob. People do not fly up into the sky.

The chariots of fire and the horsemen of Israel are just a different descriptions of the same thing that each prophet perceives in his mind before a divine visitation.

The burning bush, the glory of God, The one like unto a son of man, the living beasts, the hayot, ophanim, erelim, hashmallim, seraphim, malakim, elohim, cherubum, etc., are all descriptions of the same thing. Each prophet described what they saw and heard in their own words according to their ability to relate what they perceived in their mind as they stood in the presence of the living God..


Thats why Elijah told Elisha that he would be given the spirit of prophecy IF he "saw" the chariots of fire after he was killed, taken up.

Yet another pea brain putting limits upon the creator of the universe.

Jeremiah 7:23
Are you EVER embarrassed by how the RCC pulled the wool over your eyes picking and choosing verses?

 

[Dajjal]

Once again a pea brain puts limits on the creator of the universe.

As far as I can see, God does not intervene in human affairs. Which probably means he never has. Therefore most of the bible is bunk.

God obviously does not listen to the prayers of women who's babies have brain damage because of the zika virus.

If I were given the power of God, I would wipe out most dangerous viruses with a wave of my hand.
Since God does not bother he either does not care. Or his plan does not involve intervention in human affairs.

 

[yiostheoy]

Deut 13.7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

A round earth does not have ends.

ugh..You really need to expand your mind.

The 'ends of the earth' just means the furthest bounds of what was then the known world.

To save you some time,

Elijah being 'Taken up' into heaven is just a euphemism for his being killed by a lynch mob.

Jesus giving sight to the blind was a healing of perception not sight.

The resurrection and bodily ascension of Jesus is about the evolution of his soul after he left the tomb of false religious beliefs and degrading practices.

You should take a break from questioning scripture, go and read some poetry, learn about metaphors etc., and then try again

Elijah flew away in a golden chariot of fire.

There was no lynch mob.

Elijah being 'taken up' into heaven in a whirlwind is just a euphemism for him being killed by an angry swirling mob. People do not fly up into the sky.

The chariots of fire and the horsemen of Israel are just a different descriptions of the same thing that each prophet perceives in his mind before a divine visitation.

The burning bush, the glory of God, The one like unto a son of man, the living beasts, the hayot, ophanim, erelim, hashmallim, seraphim, malakim, elohim, cherubum, etc., are all descriptions of the same thing. Each prophet described what they saw and heard in their own words according to their ability to relate what they perceived in their mind as they stood in the presence of the living God..


Thats why Elijah told Elisha that he would be given the spirit of prophecy IF he "saw" the chariots of fire after he was killed, taken up.

Bullsh!t. Where are you getting that ??

There is no one near other than Elisha.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/2kg2.pdf

 

[yiostheoy]

Once again a pea brain puts limits on the creator of the universe.

As far as I can see, God does not intervene in human affairs. Which probably means he never has. Therefore most of the bible is bunk.

God obviously does not listen to the prayers of women who's babies have brain damage because of the zika virus.

If I were given the power of God, I would wipe out most dangerous viruses with a wave of my hand.
Since God does not bother he either does not care. Or his plan does not involve intervention in human affairs.

Well Moses intervened on behalf of the Hebrew slaves of Egypt.

If Moses was delusional then that would be an even bigger miracle if he did it all alone without help from (a) God(s).

 

[yiostheoy]

The biggest question is if there is anything that would make you believe?

If the answer is yes, what?
If the answer is no, you have a closed mind and are a waste of time.

Believe what, the bunk in the old testament? That says the world is flat and its six thousand years old and Jonah was swallowed by a whale, etc, etc. I hardly think so.

Feel free to quote the verses about the world being flat.
And I've seen a whale swallow a 500 pound seal, so......

no question----a WHALE and even a shark can swallow a man. As to Jonah-----what word ---in the original Hebrew is
used in the book of Jonah to describe the big fish SWALLOWING him. To be honest-----I do not know the word
TO SWALLOW (as in down the esophagus) in hebrew

BALA is swallow in HBRW.

you got the shoresh and some examples of its use ?-----just name the three letters if you can. In English one can say----HE WAS SWALLOWED BY THE DARKNESS-----or even ---the THE SEA SWALLOWED HIM. Korach was swallowed by the earth--------that means he fell into a hole

LEBLOAI in Jonah 1:17


עַ1 לִבְ


l·blo

to·to-swallow-up-of

 

[Dajjal]

Once again a pea brain puts limits on the creator of the universe.

As far as I can see, God does not intervene in human affairs. Which probably means he never has. Therefore most of the bible is bunk.

God obviously does not listen to the prayers of women who's babies have brain damage because of the zika virus.

If I were given the power of God, I would wipe out most dangerous viruses with a wave of my hand.
Since God does not bother he either does not care. Or his plan does not involve intervention in human affairs.

Well Moses intervened on behalf of the Hebrew slaves of Egypt.

If Moses was delusional then that would be an even bigger miracle if he did it all alone without help from (a) God(s).

I am of the view that Moses was probably a fictional character who never actually existed.

 

[yiostheoy]

Anyone who takes a 3000 year old "book" and dissects it like a lab experiment has missed the boat.

 

[yiostheoy]

Once again a pea brain puts limits on the creator of the universe.

As far as I can see, God does not intervene in human affairs. Which probably means he never has. Therefore most of the bible is bunk.

God obviously does not listen to the prayers of women who's babies have brain damage because of the zika virus.

If I were given the power of God, I would wipe out most dangerous viruses with a wave of my hand.
Since God does not bother he either does not care. Or his plan does not involve intervention in human affairs.

Well Moses intervened on behalf of the Hebrew slaves of Egypt.

If Moses was delusional then that would be an even bigger miracle if he did it all alone without help from (a) God(s).

I am of the view that Moses was probably a fictional character who never actually existed.

When you do that there are a lot of things that cannot be explained:

- who invented Hebrew characters out of Egyptian?

- how did Jews end up in Canaan?

- where did a complex Judaic religion with shades of Hammurabi come from?

- where and how did a unique form of Babylonian Semitic language evolve?

Etc.

 

[Dajjal]

Anyone who takes a 3000 year old "book" and dissects it like a lab experiment has missed the boat.

Egyptian documentation has nothing about slaves being used to build the pyramids. In fact there is evidence the workers were well cared for, and they were probably Egyptian farmers who worked on the pyramids out of season. The story of Moses appears no where in all the Egyptian writings.

 

[hobelim]

Anyone who takes a 3000 year old "book" and dissects it like a lab experiment has missed the boat.

Egyptian documentation has nothing about slaves being used to build the pyramids. In fact there is evidence the workers were well cared for, and they were probably Egyptian farmers who worked on the pyramids out of season. The story of Moses appears no where in all the Egyptian writings.

That would not be unusual. They tried to erase all memory of Akhenaten who coincidentally tried to establish monotheism in Egypt.