Beware the Marxist world of Kamalla Harris: "There’s a big difference between equality and equity."

[Curried Goats]

Our Constitution promises us neither equality nor equity. It promises us equal rights under the law. Tasking government with either equality or equity as a goal, demands that it violate equal rights. That's a problem. We're trading in equal rights for "equity" and it will come back to haunt us.

And because the Constitution says so we have to pretend it makes rational sense even though it was written by ignorant fucking morons.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

It is.

Just saying it is doesn't make it true.

If you refuse to define it or simply can't, it remains subjective.

Capitalism is a system where those with capital, i.e, property and resources, control the means of production while laborers, who don't have capital, have to exchange their labor for wages.

And?

In order to even have capitalism you have to have people with capital and people without capital.

Again, and?

I'm agnostic.

Not about subjectivism/objectivism you're not.

Does it? I don't even know what the it is here.

The "the incongruity of property and equal rights." you idiot.

What are you trying to ask me?

I already did ask you, dumbass. I asked what you're problem was with capitalism being inherently unequal if at the same time you won't say it should be.

What? What truth or imperative that the system should be different than it is? I don't know what that means.

Of course you don't. That's because it's a little more complicated than subjectivism/objectivism.

I'm not against rights, I just think we should recognize them for what they actually are, which are creations of society and law and government, rather than these magical things that exist in nature.

Okay, and?

Wrong.

So you don't want equal outcomes? Then why change the system?

 

[TruthNotBS]

I think the reason "equity" gets associated with socialism or marxism is that all of these require government to interfere in economic matters, effectively overruling the decisions of society as express via the market. (eg, society decides that flipping burgers isn't worth much, but government demands that burger flippers be paid more). Marxism might not be concerned with equity, but both approaches require government control of our economic decisions.

In reality, there's plenty of government intervention in capitalism. Without the government's involvement in economic matters, there's no economy or legal tender (i.e. money recognized and backed by a government authority). Without money, there's no capitalism.

A democratic republican government is a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale socioeconomic and civil affairs. You "overrule" or undermine society, by insisting that democracy should just be exercised and expressed in the marketplace and not in government.

Society has decided that full-time workers should earn a living wage. If people work full-time and can't feed themselves or pay their rent, then society has to pick up the tab and provide those people with food stamps and public housing. No, let the capitalists make a bit less money and pay all of their employees a living wage. That also stimulates the economy, because when workers earn more, they spend more, and that's good for capitalists who are selling their products and services to working-class people (94% of the population). Pay people a good wage, and they have more money to spend in the marketplace.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

That's exactly what society is created to do.

Created to do what, attain equal outcomes? Now who's indulging in fantasy?

Unless you think it's okay for a stronger, better armed person to come by and murder you and take your stuff.

We're not talking about murder and robbery, dumbass, we're talking about an economic system.

 

[my2¢]

The one word that strikes me as nail on a chalkboard today is 'marginalized'.

 

[WEATHER53]

You are so naive it’s crazy,

If you give someone the choice to work hard and get nowhere or to do no work but get the same compensation as the first example what the fuck do you think people will
Choose?

That guy believes he deserves a bankroll first so he can start a business second

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Marxist Politicians want everyone to be equal.
But Marxist Politicians don't lift the poor.
They beat down the middle class.
It takes oppression to make everyone equal.
And of course, equality doesn't apply to the Marxist Politicians who become immensely wealthy.
The truth about Marxism is that Marxist Politicians become the slave masters and the citizens become their slaves.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

'Equity' is just another crazy left wing euphonism for theft.
The truth is that Socialism is about stealing.

 

[dblack]

Society has decided that full-time workers should earn a living wage.

Nope. Some governments have decided that.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Nope. Some governments have decided that.

With few exceptions, working-class people who work full-time, expect to earn enough to live (feed themselves, pay their rent), that's one of the reasons the government sets a minimum wage. If capitalists could get away with not paying their workers a dime, that's what they would do and then people would starve or become homeless, requiring the government to help them.

You conveniently ignored practically all of the points that I made, but others won't. That's good enough for me.

 

[dblack]

If capitalists could get away with not paying their workers a dime ...

But they can't get away with that, so the rest is a moot point.

You conveniently ignored practically all of the points that I made, but others won't.

That's fine. I'm not going to play your propaganda game. If others fall for your horseshit, that's on them

 

[TruthNotBS]

'Equity' is just another crazy left wing euphonism for theft.
The truth is that Socialism is about stealing.

Your comments are steeped in misconceptions and misleading rhetoric.

Equality and Lifting the Poor: Marxist politicians do not aim to beat down the middle class but rather to lift the poor and working class. The goal is to eliminate the extreme disparities in wealth and power that characterize capitalist societies. Under capitalism, a small elite holds disproportionate wealth and influence while the majority struggles to make ends meet. Socialism ensures that everyone has access to basic needs such as healthcare, education, and housing. A foundation upon which to build their lives.

Oppression and Equality: Socialism is about empowering the working class, giving them control over the means of production, and ensuring democratic participation in economic and political decisions. It’s about dismantling the oppressive structures of capitalism that concentrate power in the hands of a few.

Wealth of Marxist Politicians: The idea that Marxist politicians become immensely wealthy while citizens suffer is a distortion often propagated by capitalist propaganda. While there have been instances of corruption in socialist governments, these are not intrinsic to socialism itself. Corruption can and does occur in all political systems, including capitalism, where it is often more rampant and systematized. Socialism aims to create a system where wealth is not concentrated in the hands of a few, while the majority of people are left to struggle.

Equity and Theft: Stealing is what capitalists do when they exploit workers, paying them a fraction of the value they produce while pocketing the surplus as profit. Socialism aims to end this exploitation, ensuring workers receive the full value of their labor.

Socialism and Theft: Socialism is not about stealing; it’s about reclaiming what has been unjustly taken from the working class by the capitalist class. It’s about ensuring that those who produce the wealth have control over how it is distributed and used. Capitalism is the system built on theft—stealing land, labor, and resources for the profit of a few. Socialism seeks to rectify these historical injustices and build a society based on cooperation, mutual aid, and fairness.

Reality Check: Under capitalism, we see massive inequalities, environmental destruction, and endless cycles of economic crises. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Socialist policies aim to address these systemic issues, not by bringing everyone down but by lifting everyone up to a higher standard of living.

 

[TruthNotBS]

But they can't get away with that, so the rest is a moot point.

That's fine. I'm not going to play your propaganda game. If others fall for your horseshit, that's on them

They can't get away with that thanks to the government. What about what I said is "horseshit", let's discuss it. Elaborate.

 

[dblack]

They can't get away with that thanks to the government. What about what I said is "horseshit", let's discuss it. Elaborate.

It has nothing to do with government. Would you work for free??

 

[TruthNotBS]

It has nothing to do with government. Would you work for free??

The government regulates commerce, hence your beloved capitalist buddies can't pay their workers less than minimum wage. It's that simple, you can pretend otherwise, but no one with even half a brain agrees with you.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Your comments are steeped in misconceptions and misleading rhetoric.

Equality and Lifting the Poor: Marxist politicians do not aim to beat down the middle class but rather to lift the poor and working class. The goal is to eliminate the extreme disparities in wealth and power that characterize capitalist societies. Under capitalism, a small elite holds disproportionate wealth and influence while the majority struggles to make ends meet. Socialism ensures that everyone has access to basic needs such as healthcare, education, and housing. A foundation upon which to build their lives.

Oppression and Equality: Socialism is about empowering the working class, giving them control over the means of production, and ensuring democratic participation in economic and political decisions. It’s about dismantling the oppressive structures of capitalism that concentrate power in the hands of a few.

Wealth of Marxist Politicians: The idea that Marxist politicians become immensely wealthy while citizens suffer is a distortion often propagated by capitalist propaganda. While there have been instances of corruption in socialist governments, these are not intrinsic to socialism itself. Corruption can and does occur in all political systems, including capitalism, where it is often more rampant and systematized. Socialism aims to create a system where wealth is not concentrated in the hands of a few, while the majority of people are left to struggle.

Equity and Theft: Stealing is what capitalists do when they exploit workers, paying them a fraction of the value they produce while pocketing the surplus as profit. Socialism aims to end this exploitation, ensuring workers receive the full value of their labor.

Socialism and Theft: Socialism is not about stealing; it’s about reclaiming what has been unjustly taken from the working class by the capitalist class. It’s about ensuring that those who produce the wealth have control over how it is distributed and used. Capitalism is the system built on theft—stealing land, labor, and resources for the profit of a few. Socialism seeks to rectify these historical injustices and build a society based on cooperation, mutual aid, and fairness.

Reality Check: Under capitalism, we see massive inequalities, environmental destruction, and endless cycles of economic crises. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Socialist policies aim to address these systemic issues, not by bringing everyone down but by lifting everyone up to a higher standard of living.

you should live in north korea where all of your dreams have already come true, and leave the rest of us alone

 

[dblack]

The government regulates commerce, hence your beloved capitalist buddies can't pay their workers less than minimum wage. It's that simple, you can pretend otherwise, but no one with even half a brain agrees with you.

They can't get away without paying their workers because no one would work for them. It has nothing do your precious regulations.

Seriously, would you work without pay? Do you know anyone who would? Are you really this dim, or is this just what the propaganda guidelines tell you to say?

 

[TruthNotBS]

you should live in north korea where all of your dreams have already come true, and leave the rest of us alone

First of all, I don't have to go anywhere. I'm an American, so you leave. How about that? All of you brainwashed bootlickers, who grovel at the feet of your capitalist masters, should leave my country, right now. See how easy that was? Now that I got that out of the way. Before anyone moves to the DPRK or "North Korea", lift the economic embargo. Allow North Korea to function internationally, without freezing its assets or threatening countries around the world with fines and sanctions if they trade with the DPRK.

 

[TruthNotBS]

They can't get away without paying their workers because no one would work for them. It has nothing do your precious regulations.

Seriously, would you work without pay? Do you know anyone who would? Are you really this dim, or is this just what the propaganda guidelines tell you to say?

Under capitalism, no one would work for nothing, but employers will pay as little as possible, and unfortunately like I said, which you conveniently continue to ignore, is that capitalists will pay their employees wages that don't cover the cost of living. The government then has to subsidize that employer's workforce with food stamps..etc. That's wrong, especially when that company is making millions, if not billions of dollars in profits yearly. So the government shouldn't have to subsidize your workforce, because you refuse to pay a living wage. If anyone is "dim", it's obviously you.

 

[dblack]

Under capitalism, no one would work for nothing, but employers will pay as little as possible, and unfortunately like I said, which you conveniently continue to ignore, is that capitalists will pay their employees wages they can't live on.

So what? If someone wants to work for less than what you think is minimal, why shouldn't they be allowed to?