Beware the Marxist world of Kamalla Harris: "There’s a big difference between equality and equity."

[TruthNotBS]

My guy is legit scared of computers

More gobbledygook. You haven't addressed anything I've presented so far.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Which ones specifically? Do you have any examples?

"...capitalism creates a system of inherent inequality."

As you are a devoted follower of the Subjectivism/Objectivism cult, I figured you would understand that this is a subjective opinion and therefore, based on feelings.

What problem?

You tell me, you're the one bleating about capitalism being unequal.

One decided on democratically.

That's pretty vague. It really doesn't say what type of equality you're looking for, only that it should be democratically chosen.

 

[TruthNotBS]

1- Start your own business.
2- Everyone has had to work since the dawn of time. A caveman that wouldn’t hunt or learn to grow food would die. Same thing today.
3- Private sector unions are fine. No government employee needs or deserves a union. Eliminate them.
4- Government needs shrunk to about 1/4 its current size. They’re the ones taking the bribes.
5- Stop fucking doing that. Bail outs are socialism.
6- Progress is always being made. Adjust.
7- Only an idiot thinks socialism will make things equal. All it does is lets the government take everything. Look at Venezuela. I can’t believe in your own lifetime you watched a nation fall so fast and so rock bottom because of socialism and you still think it’s a good idea. That’s moronic.

Your points miss the mark entirely and show a lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Let's address them directly:

1. Start Your Own Business: The suggestion to "start your own business" is not a universal solution. Not everyone has the capital, resources, or opportunities to do so. Moreover, the vast majority of businesses fail, and even successful small business owners often end up working longer hours for less pay. The idea that everyone can simply start their own business ignores the systemic issues that make it difficult for workers to accumulate the necessary capital and resources.
2. Work and Survival: Comparing modern wage labor to cavemen hunting for food is a false equivalence. Cavemen were not exploited by a parasitic class that profited from their labor. In capitalism, workers sell their labor power to capitalists who then extract surplus value from this labor to enrich themselves. This isn't about working to survive; it's about being exploited by others for their personal gain or profit.
3. Private Sector Unions and Government Employees: Your claim that government employees do not need or deserve unions is misguided. Unions are essential for all workers, public or private, to negotiate fair wages, benefits, and working conditions. Stripping workers of their right to unionize weakens their bargaining power and increases exploitation. The reason capitalists prefer negotiating with individual workers is that it gives them more power. Unionized workers have more leverage and can secure higher pay and better benefits, which is why capitalists resist unions so vehemently. That fact is that unionized labor today makes more money and has more benefits than unionized workers.
4. Government Size and Corruption: Reducing the government to a fraction of its size does not address the root issues of corruption and influence by capitalists. It can exacerbate these problems by reducing oversight and regulation, allowing capitalists even more freedom to exploit workers and resources. The problem is not the size of the government but the influence of capitalists who bribe and control politicians, turning democracy into a plutocratic oligarchy.
5. Bailouts and Socialism: You acknowledge that bailouts are a form of socialism, yet you fail to see the inherent contradiction in capitalism relying on public funds to survive. These bailouts are necessary because capitalism is inherently unstable, with cycles of boom and bust that require public intervention to prevent total collapse. This privatization of profits and socialization of losses highlights the fundamental flaws in the capitalist system.
6. Progress and Adjustment: Progress is indeed being made, but the benefits of technological advancements are not being equitably shared. Automation and AI are displacing workers and making traditional wage labor obsolete. Without a shift to socialism, where the benefits of increased productivity are shared by all, we will see even greater inequality and social unrest. Capitalism is ill-equipped to handle this transition because it relies on the continuous exploitation of human labor.
7. Socialism and Equality: Your reference to Venezuela is a tired and disingenuous argument. The failures in Venezuela are mostly due to American economic sanctions, not socialism itself. Successful examples of socialist policies can be seen in many countries with strong social safety nets, high standards of living, and greater equality. Socialism seeks to abolish the private ownership of means of production that enables exploitation, ensuring that the benefits of production are shared more generously and abundantly.

In summary, your responses ignore the key points I made about the inherent injustice of capitalism and the need for a marketless system of production, especially in the context of advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Socialism is the inevitable natural successor of capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. This transition is necessary for creating a fairer, more just, and sustainable society.

 

[sapphiregirl]

No, it is historically documented fact of what has gone on.

Here is an example:

The Naturalization Act of 1790​

It's no longer 1790

 

[IM2]

How could I disagree with what you’ve lived through? I have no idea what you’ve lived through. What I disagree with is when YOU start thinking you know more about what white peoples think than what they know. This whole idea of unconscious bias, micro aggressions, and all this other nonsense that apparently only black people can see, and have this privilege of being able to arbitrarily assign to white folk, based on this magical power of insight that you claim to have, where you know what other people are thinking. This is compounded by the fact that you think every time a white person disagrees or argues with you on a point, it’s a racist microaggression.

Try not putting all white people in a basket. I am talking about whites on the rght. And the fact is all that you have called nonsense is real. And after living years facing it, blacks can see it when it happens. Whites on the right try denying these things even as they practice it. This forum is full of such things and instead of you fighting THAT, you are here arguing wth me. You are part of the problem. Whites like you have disagreed with me even as I have presented peer reviewed evidence., legal decisons, and studies from professional organizations that proves what I say is rght. And you've done it with no evidence as if all you have to do is be white and say it's not so.

I went to school, got degrees and was a paid professional researching and applying what I learned in the field of sociology, whch is:

the scientific and systematic study of human society that focuses on society, human social behavior, patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and aspects of culture associated with everyday life.

Apparently you have not done that, and are mystified as to why I can say the things I do.

The problem is, everything is racism to you. You seem to have determine that you have this insight into other people’s minds, and therefore you conclude, in your own, that people’s arguments have no merit, because you don’t like what they are saying.

No, the problem is that you cannot see the things that you say are racist. I don't have this problem with every white person here. Just whites who are on the right. The whites who support Trump. For some reason you guys seem to think you can talk crazy about blacks and nothng should ever be said about it. You also seem to believe that you can peddle this impression of America that has not existed for blacks and we are just supposed to agree with that impression. Then when you are confronted by someone back who refuses to do so and are frank or unapologetic about it, then we get what you are doing, which is called white fragility by this human being:

She goes further to describe the behavior.

“Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it. We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences. At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.

Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience. This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as ‘people just need to see each other as individuals’ or ‘see each other as humans’ or ‘take personal responsibility.’

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue.”
- Dr. Robin DiAngelo

This assessment comes after more than 20 years of leading racial sensitvity training for corporations.

You have disagreed with me about white racism while you have read whites making racist comments in this forum. You have continued trying to argue with me about things such as our choice in political parties when your party has shown that it not only has no interest in addressing issues we face, but they violently oppose anything we ask in order to have the opportunity to solve the problems this government has created for us.. Then you have had the nerve to tell me how we are being tricked as if we do not have the ability to think for ourselves and you cannot see the racism in your thought processes.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Your points miss the mark entirely and show a lack of understanding of the issues at hand. Let's address them directly:

1. Start Your Own Business: The suggestion to "start your own business" is not a universal solution. Not everyone has the capital, resources, or opportunities to do so. Moreover, the vast majority of businesses fail, and even successful small business owners often end up working longer hours for less pay. The idea that everyone can simply start their own business ignores the systemic issues that make it difficult for workers to accumulate the necessary capital and resources.
2. Work and Survival: Comparing modern wage labor to cavemen hunting for food is a false equivalence. Cavemen were not exploited by a parasitic class that profited from their labor. In capitalism, workers sell their labor power to capitalists who then extract surplus value from this labor to enrich themselves. This isn't about working to survive; it's about being exploited by others for their personal gain or profit.
3. Private Sector Unions and Government Employees: Your claim that government employees do not need or deserve unions is misguided. Unions are essential for all workers, public or private, to negotiate fair wages, benefits, and working conditions. Stripping workers of their right to unionize weakens their bargaining power and increases exploitation. The reason capitalists prefer negotiating with individual workers is that it gives them more power. Unionized workers have more leverage and can secure higher pay and better benefits, which is why capitalists resist unions so vehemently. That fact is that unionized labor today makes more money and has more benefits than unionized workers.
4. Government Size and Corruption: Reducing the government to a fraction of its size does not address the root issues of corruption and influence by capitalists. It can exacerbate these problems by reducing oversight and regulation, allowing capitalists even more freedom to exploit workers and resources. The problem is not the size of the government but the influence of capitalists who bribe and control politicians, turning democracy into a plutocratic oligarchy.
5. Bailouts and Socialism: You acknowledge that bailouts are a form of socialism, yet you fail to see the inherent contradiction in capitalism relying on public funds to survive. These bailouts are necessary because capitalism is inherently unstable, with cycles of boom and bust that require public intervention to prevent total collapse. This privatization of profits and socialization of losses highlights the fundamental flaws in the capitalist system.
6. Progress and Adjustment: Progress is indeed being made, but the benefits of technological advancements are not being equitably shared. Automation and AI are displacing workers and making traditional wage labor obsolete. Without a shift to socialism, where the benefits of increased productivity are shared by all, we will see even greater inequality and social unrest. Capitalism is ill-equipped to handle this transition because it relies on the continuous exploitation of human labor.
7. Socialism and Equality: Your reference to Venezuela is a tired and disingenuous argument. The failures in Venezuela are mostly due to American economic sanctions, not socialism itself. Successful examples of socialist policies can be seen in many countries with strong social safety nets, high standards of living, and greater equality. Socialism seeks to abolish the private ownership of means of production that enables exploitation, ensuring that the benefits of production are shared more generously and abundantly.

In summary, your responses ignore the key points I made about the inherent injustice of capitalism and the need for a marketless system of production, especially in the context of advanced automation and artificial intelligence. Socialism is the inevitable natural successor of capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. This transition is necessary for creating a fairer, more just, and sustainable society.

Venezuela never had a chance you moron. It’s exactly what socialism is. The fact you think outside pressure did them in all the while talking about self sufficient socialism proves you’re a moron. Socialism is failure from the start. It’s never built anything, it can never build anything, it’s failure from start to finish. If it was ever going to work it should have done so in Venezuela by now. They shouldn’t need any outside countries money. The sanctions should have no effect. This should be a socialist paradise today proving how they don’t need capitalism.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Try not putting all white people in a basket. I am taking about whites on the rght. And the fact is all that you have called nonsense is real. And after living years facing it, blacks can see it when it happens. Whites on the right try denying these things even as they practice it. This forum is full of such things and instead of you fighting THAT, you are here arguing wth me. You are part of the problem. Whites like you have disagreed with me even as I have presented peer reviewed evidence., legal decisons, and studies from professional organizations that proves what I say is rght. And you've done it with no evidence as if all you have to do is be white and say it's not so.

I went to school, got degrees and was a paid professional researching and applying what I learned in the field of sociology, whch is:

the scientific and systematic study of human society that focuses on society, human social behavior, patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and aspects of culture associated with everyday life.
Apparently you have not done that, and are mystified as to why I can say the things I do.

No, the problem is that you cannot see the things that you say are racist. I don't have this problem with every white person here. Just whites who are on the right. The whites who support Trump. For some reason you guys seem to think you can talk crazy about blacks and nothng should ever be said about it. You also seem to believe that you can peddle this impression of America that has not existed for blacks and we are just supposed to agree with that impression. Then when you are confronted by someone back who refuses to do so and are frank or unapologetic about it, then we get what you are doing, which is called white fragility by this human being:

View attachment 987235

She goes further to describe the behavior.

“Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it. We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences. At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.

Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience. This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as ‘people just need to see each other as individuals’ or ‘see each other as humans’ or ‘take personal responsibility.’

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue.”
- Dr. Robin DiAngelo

This assessment comes after more than 20 years of leading racial sensitvity training for corporations.

You haved disagreed with me about white racism while you have read whites making racist comments in this forum. You have continued trying to argue with me about things such as our choice in political parties when your party has shown that it not only has no interest in addressing issues we face, but they violently oppose anything we ask in order to have the opportunity to solve the problems this government has created for us.. Then you have had the nerve to tell me how we are being tricked as if we do not have the ability to think for ourselves and you cannot see the racism in your thought processes.

You’re unintentionally the funniest person on the board.

 

[IM2]

What policies do we have that are written to be discriminatory or exclude blacks? Are you talking back in the 50s and 60s? Or today?

You have been shown a history of polices that have created what we have today. Policies created in 1787 affect us rightnow. Sothen tryinto avoid things bydimissing polices implemented in the 50's and 60's as if the racism of that time isn't happening now is irritating. I'm tired of whites on the right pulling this crap. Its a dishonest tactic..

Stop pretending that whites are not discriminating against blacks rght now. How many times do I have to post this before it registers?

“I can say for sure that happens because I did it. Before retirement, I was an Engineer. For the last 20 years of my career, I was a Manager and Director and I hired hundreds of people. I reviewed well over a thousand resumes for all kinds of positions. Everything from Secretaries to Engineering Managers. Both Salary and Hourly. I always culled out the resumes with Black Ethnic names. Never shortlisted anybody with a Black Ethnic name. Never hired them.”

Since the Fortune 50 company I worked for had a stupid “affirmative action” hiring policies I never mentioned it to anybody and I always got away with it. A couple of times I was instructed to improve my departmental “diversity” demographics but I always ignored it and never got into any trouble. My stereotype is that anybody with a stupid ghetto Black ethnic name is probably worthless. I could have been wrong a couple of times but I was also probably right 99% of the time.

Glad I did it. I would do it again.”

"Black" Names

traffic jam backed up to......was it Brooklet Heights? Traffic jam in Harlem that's backed up to Jackson Heights I think. Also Brooklyn's broken out in fights. What does it say about us that we have this all memorized? :disbelief: Even worse --- what does it say that I just looked that up...

www.usmessageboard.com

And then this guy was here saying the same stuff you do, and asking people to show him where blacks are discriminated against today. This bullshit is tired, you know exactly what's going on and it is time those like you understood that we are not fooled. So get up and work to clean up the mess whites have made in this country. And don't call me a racist for saying that because the policies that have created the prroblems WERE indeed implemented by whites.

 

[IM2]

Venezuela never had a chance you moron. It’s exactly what socialism is. The fact you think outside pressure did them in all the while talking about self sufficient socialism proves you’re a moron. Socialism is failure from the start. It’s never built anything, it can never build anything, it’s failure from start to finish. If it was ever going to work it should have done so in Venezuela by now. They shouldn’t need any outside countries money. The sanctions should have no effect. This should be a socialist paradise today proving how they don’t need capitalism.

You're wrong. There are several very sucessful socialist nations in this world.

 

[IM2]

You’re unintentionally the funniest person on the board.

Another example of white fragility.

 

[IM2]

Just out of curiosity, are you employed in the field of perpetual victimhood? I mean seriously, do you actually work and contribute, or is your living made by the racial identity industry? Kind of a junior Al Sharleton, or Jesse Jackass?

Whites are the only ones who make livings by the racial identity industry.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Try not putting all white people in a basket. I am taking about whites on the rght. And the fact is all that you have called nonsense is real. And after living years facing it, blacks can see it when it happens. Whites on the right try denying these things even as they practice it. This forum is full of such things and instead of you fighting THAT, you are here arguing wth me. You are part of the problem. Whites like you have disagreed with me even as I have presented peer reviewed evidence., legal decisons, and studies from professional organizations that proves what I say is rght. And you've done it with no evidence as if all you have to do is be white and say it's not so.

I went to school, got degrees and was a paid professional researching and applying what I learned in the field of sociology, whch is:

the scientific and systematic study of human society that focuses on society, human social behavior, patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and aspects of culture associated with everyday life.
Apparently you have not done that, and are mystified as to why I can say the things I do.

No, the problem is that you cannot see the things that you say are racist. I don't have this problem with every white person here. Just whites who are on the right. The whites who support Trump. For some reason you guys seem to think you can talk crazy about blacks and nothng should ever be said about it. You also seem to believe that you can peddle this impression of America that has not existed for blacks and we are just supposed to agree with that impression. Then when you are confronted by someone back who refuses to do so and are frank or unapologetic about it, then we get what you are doing, which is called white fragility by this human being:

View attachment 987235

She goes further to describe the behavior.

“Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it. We are the least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences. At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.

Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience. This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as ‘people just need to see each other as individuals’ or ‘see each other as humans’ or ‘take personal responsibility.’

White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue.”
- Dr. Robin DiAngelo

This assessment comes after more than 20 years of leading racial sensitvity training for corporations.

You haved disagreed with me about white racism while you have read whites making racist comments in this forum. You have continued trying to argue with me about things such as our choice in political parties when your party has shown that it not only has no interest in addressing issues we face, but they violently oppose anything we ask in order to have the opportunity to solve the problems this government has created for us.. Then you have had the nerve to tell me how we are being tricked as if we do not have the ability to think for ourselves and you cannot see the racism in your thought processes.

I believe there's a distinction between racism which prefers one's people or culture, without contempt for other races or seeking to denigrate and destroy them. I prefer my White people and European culture, but that's not necessarily, or hardly ever, to the detriment of other races and their cultures. I believe Black Americans, just like Native Americans, deserve reparations, and a "hand up", to help them get on their feet and succeed along with us Whites.

Too many Whites are insensitive and nasty, completely indifferent to the challenges, obstacles, inhumanities, and horrid abuse that Black people have suffered at the hands of our White European ancestors. Here's just one example of what Black Americans can accomplish:

​

Isn't that beautiful? Look what they achieved, only to lose it all, to a bunch of ignorant, murderous White bigots. How disgusting, and then we claim that Blacks can't make it? They can make it, we just need to stop sabotaging them. Let's help them out because they're the children of the slaves who were crucial for the rise of our nation into a world power. Look what we did to undermine Black people's success in this country:

​

As a White man, who admits he's a racist, I defend the Black man's right to be free and successful. I feel joy in my heart, seeing Black people, the progeny of slaves, who through their hard labor and many sacrifices, were vital in the development of our country, being successful and empowering themselves and their community. Inspiring other Black people to do the same.

Can you imagine being a Black man, whose enslaved and yet has a wife and children to protect and care for? Your White master can sell your wife and children, he can even have sexual relations with your wife right in front of you, while you're tied to a stake, being whipped by another White man or some "Uncle Tom". That crap happened to thousands of Black men throughout those 400 years of slavery in the Americas. The inhumanity that Black people suffered being slaves of our White ancestors. If we have a conscience, we must help Black people make it. Provide them with the resources that they need to MAKE IT. Don't get in their way.

The social ills that Black people are experiencing are at the very least, partly due to bad laws, that undermine Black lives. We also need to allow law-abiding, hard-working Black people to own firearms and defend their property and lives against street criminals. It's insane that in Black urban communities, only the criminals are armed and good people are left to defend themselves with a plastic knife from McDonald's or pepper spray.

We need laws that force drug addicts into rehab or mental institutions until they recover. Drug dealers and smugglers need to be charged with a capital crime and placed in front of a firing squad (whoever is selling and distributing poison in the community is a terrorist and should be dealt with accordingly). Black people need a safe environment, that allows them to flourish and MAKE IT. They need educational grants, job training, and employment opportunities, loan guarantees to purchase their homes. etc. There are too many good Black people who are being thrown under the bus.

Native Americans and African Americans, have a right to reparations and our country will be much better for it. If you're racist, don't be a hateful racist, or KKK racist, be a racist to preserve your people, without hurting others. At the end of the day, we're all human beings. We share a common humanity, so we should always respect that and never denigrate and dehumanize each other.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You're wrong. There are several very sucessful socialist nations in this world.

Not a single one.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Another example of white fragility.

You admitted your entire career was a sad version of Jackson and Sharpton. Same race hustle without the big money or fame. 20 years of racism. Promoting racism, blaming others for racism, all to get that paycheck. And after all that grifting you ended up here on a message board. Being the sad racist loser you always were. I kind of feel sorry for you. What a horrible ending to your life. All of that anger and wasted time shadow boxing something that never existed during your lifetime.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Venezuela never had a chance you moron. It’s exactly what socialism is. The fact you think outside pressure did them in all the while talking about self sufficient socialism proves you’re a moron. Socialism is failure from the start. It’s never built anything, it can never build anything, it’s failure from start to finish. If it was ever going to work it should have done so in Venezuela by now. They shouldn’t need any outside countries money. The sanctions should have no effect. This should be a socialist paradise today proving how they don’t need capitalism.

You're resorting to that old, worn-out canard that socialism doesn’t work exposing your ignorance. The reality is that socialism often works, even when facing significant external pressures and sabotage. Let's set the record straight.

Venezuela: The economic hardships in Venezuela are primarily due to severe sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies, not socialism itself. These sanctions have crippled Venezuela’s economy, making it nearly impossible for them to import essential goods, access international banking systems, and trade freely. Your assertion that outside pressure shouldn’t affect a self-sufficient socialist state ignores the reality of global economics. Even the most robust economies would struggle under such conditions.

Socialism does not mean isolation or the inability to engage in world trade. Socialism means that the means of production are in the hands of the working class or the people. The democratic socialist state manages the publicly owned commonwealth, including the means of production. Private property is outlawed in a fully socialist economy because it is used to exploit human labor for profit. However, personal property, such as a person's house, car, or computer, is allowed for personal use.

Historical Context: The Soviet Union, despite facing invasions and economic blockades from capitalist countries, managed to transform itself from a largely agrarian society into an industrial powerhouse within a few decades. By the late 1930s, the Soviet Union had become a leading industrial nation and, after World War II, emerged as a nuclear superpower with the second-largest economy in the world. This was achieved without the aid of the Marshall Plan, which significantly helped Western European countries recover from the war.

Germany in the 1930s: Although not a Marxist socialist state, Germany in the 1930s implemented a form of socialism where the state had significant control over the major centers of economic power. The National Socialists lifted Germany from economic disaster to become one of the most powerful nations in Europe, applying universal socialist principles rather than free-market laissez-faire neoliberal capitalism. This period demonstrates how state intervention and socialist principles can lead to rapid economic growth and stability.

Socialist Policies in Mixed Economies: Successful socialist policies are evident in many modern industrialized nations with mixed economies. Countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland have strong social safety nets, high standards of living, and greater equality due to their socialist policies. These nations demonstrate that socialism, when integrated effectively, significantly improves citizens' lives.

Economic Democracy and Worker Rights: The exploitation inherent in capitalism is undeniable. Workers sell their labor power, essentially their lives, bodies, and time, to capitalists who then extract surplus value from this labor to enrich themselves. This relationship reduces humans to mere cogs in the capitalist machine, existing primarily to generate profit for others. Economic democracy, where workers have a voice in their workplaces, ensures that they control their labor and the conditions under which they work.

Unionization: Capitalist employers often strip workers of their right to unite and form unions to negotiate their terms of employment collectively. They prefer negotiating with individual workers to maintain leverage. Unionized workers have more power, resulting in higher pay and better benefits. Strength in numbers allows workers to protect their interests and negotiate more favorable terms.

Government Size and Corruption: Reducing the government to a fraction of its size does not address corruption and the influence of capitalists. In fact, it exacerbates these issues by reducing oversight and regulation, allowing capitalists even more freedom to exploit workers and resources. The problem is not the size of the government but the influence of capitalists who bribe and control politicians, turning democracy into a plutocratic oligarchy.

Bailouts: Acknowledge that bailouts are a form of socialism, yet fail to see the inherent contradiction in capitalism relying on public funds to survive. These bailouts are necessary because capitalism is inherently unstable, with cycles of boom and bust that require public intervention to prevent total collapse. This privatization of profits and socialization of losses highlights the fundamental flaws in the capitalist system.

Automation and AI: Progress is indeed being made, but the benefits of technological advancements are not equitably shared. Automation and AI are displacing workers, making traditional wage labor obsolete. Without a shift to socialism, where the benefits of increased productivity are shared by all, we will see even greater inequality and social unrest. Capitalism is ill-equipped to handle this transition because it relies on the continuous exploitation of human labor.

The Future of Socialism: Socialism is the inevitable natural successor of capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and powerful computing, we are living in an age that is perfect for socialism. Socialism is necessary because smart robots, AI, and computers will eliminate wage labor, and without wages, there is no capitalism.


In summary, your understanding of socialism is shallow and biased. Socialism has proven successful under numerous circumstances, and its principles are already improving lives in many industrialized nations. The transition to socialism is not only desirable but necessary for a fairer, more just, and sustainable society.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Your assertion that "capitalism does not need socialism to survive" and that it "does not require public funds to save it" overlooks historical and contemporary evidence. Capitalism has repeatedly required massive public bailouts to survive economic crises, as seen in the 2008 financial crisis when trillions in public funds were used to rescue failing banks and industries. This pattern of privatizing profits while socializing losses is a hallmark of capitalism's inherent instability. It's endemic to capitalism.

Regarding Stalin, your claim that he was a pure Marxist is inaccurate. Stalin's approach to socialism diverged significantly from Marxist principles, particularly in his implementation of a highly centralized, authoritarian regime. Marx envisioned a classless, stateless society achieved through the self-emancipation of the working class, not the top-down control that characterized Stalin's rule. Moreover, Stalin was a nationalist, unlike Marx, who was an internationalist.

Your statement that "renting labor is not selling oneself" misses a crucial point. When a person sells their labor power to a capitalist, they are indeed selling themselves—their body, time, and life energy. Unlike renting a car, where the car's owner remains separate from the vehicle, selling labor means selling a part of oneself. If the car crashes, the owner is unaffected; however, when a worker sells their labor and is exploited, it directly affects their well-being and autonomy.

Under this arrangement, workers do not own the fruits of their labor or the means of production, and they lack democratic rights in the workplace, reducing them to wage slaves. They are paid less than the value they produce, with the surplus value extracted by capitalists as profit.

Your claim that socialism is being "forced to get votes" ignores the reality that many people genuinely support socialist policies due to the failures and inequities of capitalism. Rising inequality, lack of access to healthcare, education, and housing, and the exploitation inherent in capitalist systems drive popular support for socialist alternatives. Socialism seeks to address these issues by promoting economic democracy, where workers have a say in the governance of their workplaces, ensuring that the benefits of production are shared rather than hoarded by a capitalist parasite leech.

The assertion that wages are going nowhere and result in fewer hours worked with a higher standard of living is misleading. While there have been improvements in some areas, many workers still face precarious employment, low wages, and poor working conditions. Moreover, automation and AI are increasingly displacing human labor, challenging the sustainability of the traditional wage labor system.

In summary, capitalism commodifies and exploits human beings, treating them as mere inputs in the production process for the benefit of a parasitic class of capitalists. Socialism seeks to end this exploitation by abolishing private property that enables such exploitation and replacing it with a system where the means of production are publicly owned and democratically managed. The rise of automation and AI makes the transition to socialism not only desirable but necessary for a sustainable and just future.

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There is no history of CAPITALISM being bailed out. An example of a bank or industry being bailed out is NOT capitalism being bailed out.

Slatin was an internationalist and a marxist communist to the core. He was a brutal tryant which Marx demanded and called for
My assertion misses NOTHING

A person is more than their abor ergo when one rents out ones labog they are onlhy renting a small piece of themselevs and their lives.

Furthermore they are paid exactly what the fruits of their labor are worth. Not enough people support socialism to make it work. It is opposed by most hence always forced,

Socialsim NEVER seeks to fix or eremive exploitation it ONLY seeks to replace voluntary exploitation with INVOLUNTARY exploitation which means slavery

Ai increasesthe need for paid labor

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You're resorting to that old, worn-out canard that socialism doesn’t work exposing your ignorance. The reality is that socialism often works, even when facing significant external pressures and sabotage. Let's set the record straight.

Venezuela: The economic hardships in Venezuela are primarily due to severe sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies, not socialism itself. These sanctions have crippled Venezuela’s economy, making it nearly impossible for them to import essential goods, access international banking systems, and trade freely. Your assertion that outside pressure shouldn’t affect a self-sufficient socialist state ignores the reality of global economics. Even the most robust economies would struggle under such conditions.

Socialism does not mean isolation or the inability to engage in world trade. Socialism means that the means of production are in the hands of the working class or the people. The democratic socialist state manages the publicly owned commonwealth, including the means of production. Private property is outlawed in a fully socialist economy because it is used to exploit human labor for profit. However, personal property, such as a person's house, car, or computer, is allowed for personal use.

Historical Context: The Soviet Union, despite facing invasions and economic blockades from capitalist countries, managed to transform itself from a largely agrarian society into an industrial powerhouse within a few decades. By the late 1930s, the Soviet Union had become a leading industrial nation and, after World War II, emerged as a nuclear superpower with the second-largest economy in the world. This was achieved without the aid of the Marshall Plan, which significantly helped Western European countries recover from the war.

Germany in the 1930s: Although not a Marxist socialist state, Germany in the 1930s implemented a form of socialism where the state had significant control over the major centers of economic power. The National Socialists lifted Germany from economic disaster to become one of the most powerful nations in Europe, applying universal socialist principles rather than free-market laissez-faire neoliberal capitalism. This period demonstrates how state intervention and socialist principles can lead to rapid economic growth and stability.

Socialist Policies in Mixed Economies: Successful socialist policies are evident in many modern industrialized nations with mixed economies. Countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland have strong social safety nets, high standards of living, and greater equality due to their socialist policies. These nations demonstrate that socialism, when integrated effectively, significantly improves citizens' lives.

Economic Democracy and Worker Rights: The exploitation inherent in capitalism is undeniable. Workers sell their labor power, essentially their lives, bodies, and time, to capitalists who then extract surplus value from this labor to enrich themselves. This relationship reduces humans to mere cogs in the capitalist machine, existing primarily to generate profit for others. Economic democracy, where workers have a voice in their workplaces, ensures that they control their labor and the conditions under which they work.

Unionization: Capitalist employers often strip workers of their right to unite and form unions to negotiate their terms of employment collectively. They prefer negotiating with individual workers to maintain leverage. Unionized workers have more power, resulting in higher pay and better benefits. Strength in numbers allows workers to protect their interests and negotiate more favorable terms.

Government Size and Corruption: Reducing the government to a fraction of its size does not address corruption and the influence of capitalists. In fact, it exacerbates these issues by reducing oversight and regulation, allowing capitalists even more freedom to exploit workers and resources. The problem is not the size of the government but the influence of capitalists who bribe and control politicians, turning democracy into a plutocratic oligarchy.

Bailouts: Acknowledge that bailouts are a form of socialism, yet fail to see the inherent contradiction in capitalism relying on public funds to survive. These bailouts are necessary because capitalism is inherently unstable, with cycles of boom and bust that require public intervention to prevent total collapse. This privatization of profits and socialization of losses highlights the fundamental flaws in the capitalist system.

Automation and AI: Progress is indeed being made, but the benefits of technological advancements are not equitably shared. Automation and AI are displacing workers, making traditional wage labor obsolete. Without a shift to socialism, where the benefits of increased productivity are shared by all, we will see even greater inequality and social unrest. Capitalism is ill-equipped to handle this transition because it relies on the continuous exploitation of human labor.

The Future of Socialism: Socialism is the inevitable natural successor of capitalism, just as capitalism replaced feudalism. With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and powerful computing, we are living in an age that is perfect for socialism. Socialism is necessary because smart robots, AI, and computers will eliminate wage labor, and without wages, there is no capitalism.


In summary, your understanding of socialism is shallow and biased. Socialism has proven successful under numerous circumstances, and its principles are already improving lives in many industrialized nations. The transition to socialism is not only desirable but necessary for a fairer, more just, and sustainable society.

You’re an idiot.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Of course there is an imbalance of power between capitalist and laborers.

Unless you are shacked to your machine, you can take your skills and compete with your employer. Anybody can start a successful company in the USA. It just takes the will, sacrifice and hard work.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Millionaires are middle-class in the U.S. nowadays. This isn't 1960 anymore.

The very wealthy MEGA-Millionaires and Billionaires either start with inheritance or make their money through the financial industry or like your orange god - real estate.

Or high tech

 

[Plagerist]

. What do I care who you feel is more deserving?

What do I care who you feel is more deserving?