Best speech at the NRA Convention

[Brian Blackwell]

Well, yes, but that (though true) is a very narrow view. I was illustrating how there is deeper wisdom in their words.

The deeper wisdom is fine but that was not what the speech by the two ladies was all about.

It was about the stupidity and oppression of the Democrats.

If we could all be good little boys and girls there would be no need for a lot of things but ever since Cain slewed Abel we pretty well know that ain't gonna happen.

The problem with the “ain’t gonna happen” theory of human morality is that by assuming a foregone conclusion, you discourage any effort in that direction. It’s an unfounded premise upon which a string of otherwise valid logic can be used to justify injustice (like the oppression you attribute to democrats, but seemingly fail to recognize in broader terms).

The social convention of covering one’s balls in public is almost universally accepted and willingly adopted, but this is a learned behavior. Why can’t morality become as universally accepted, particularly since there are much better reasons for adopting this practice?

There is a purposeful effort to hide the truth about morality and human nature. Morality is not relative, and it is not a function of time and place. However, our understanding of it is. Morality is the cause-and-effect of human behavior, and it is rooted in law, just like the laws of physics. But people will deny this, despite having not researched and understood the topic.

By throwing in the towel, we are confining our solutions to the realm of effect, not cause. Man’s law can never yield a universally peaceful, prosperous society because it only punishes acts that have already taken place. It does nothing to deal with the real issue. It’s like stopping at a station to put air in your tire every 10 miles, instead if fixing the flat. It’s precisely that irrational.

The futility you’re suggesting makes people believe that since immorality is here to stay, we may as well use it to our advantage. After all, it always offers short-term benefits. But we don’t like to be openly evil, so we hide behind religious beliefs about the laundering ability of governmental process.

To go to your neighbor’s house with a gun and drag him to a cage in your basement for growing pot would be considered insane and immoral. But if we vote for a man, and he writes a law, and a guy takes an oath and wears a piece of metal on his shirt, then we can have him do our dirty work, and no one is responsible. The voter isn’t responsible, he merely pulled a lever. The lawmaker isn’t responsible, he’s merely a representative of the people. The cop was only following orders, just “doing his job”, so it’s not his fault. So some guy misses his kids growing up for growing pot in his yard, and it’s no one’s fault. We can all sleep easy, except for him, but **** it, government is a “necessary evil” because mankind is immoral.

You see the problem.

God recognized the problem when he asked Cain what happen to Abel.

We humans are flawed. Even us righteous God fearing people are sinners. We are condemned to commit sin. Our salvation will never come about through deeds but by God's forgiveness.

Maybe if you are a member of the Church of Scientology you would think that you could pull yourself up by the bootstraps or that some aliens will save you but most religions understand that humans are pretty damned flawed.

Anyway I need my right to keep and bear arms so that I can protect myself from governments and thugs that didn't get the memo you are putting out.

Bah! This makes no sense, even on the face of it. So humans are flawed, all that means is we can’t attain perfection. Obviously God set down moral commandments because it’s expected that we should make an attempt to be moral people. I’m not talking about salvation by bootstraps, I’m talking about an improved human condition on this planet.

The notion that moral uplift is hopeless so we should content ourselves with moral mediocrity is misantrhopic. My main concern is what you and I are doing personally. Are we committing immoral acts by proxy because we’ve succumbed to a poisoned worldview that says evil is necessary for man to have order, or are we living righteously by removing our support from an immoral system and opening the path for man to achieve his full social and moral potential?

Those Ten Commandments didn't work work out very well, did it?

In fact that old covenant was trashed in favor of the New Covenant, wasn't it? One in which God recognized that were all sinners but would forgive us.

With so many sinners in the world it is good to have the right to keep and bear arms so that we all can protect ourselves and our families from evil doers, isn't it?

Yes, defense is good; in fact it is paramount. Just as important as not committing acts of aggression ourselves.

So what role does morality play in your view? I see none.

 

[Flash]

[Q

They shouldn't.And children should be allowed to carry at school to protect themselves. There's no age limit in the 2nd .

Good for you!

So does that also mean that my granddaughter who will be seven years old in 2020 can vote for Trump?

has nothing to do with the 2nd.

If you don't think Constitutional rights have age limitations then it applies to all of them.

If I tell my granddaughter to vote for Trump she will do it. That is just as silly as for an idiot like you suggesting that a seven year old be allowed to carry a loaded weapon to school.

Sorry but you don't get to be selective with your silly points. This isn't Democratunderground.

 

[Flash]

[QU


Yes, defense is good; in fact it is paramount. Just as important as not committing acts of aggression ourselves.

So what role does morality play in your view? I see none.

I recognize that I am a sinner and incapable of being righteous. I try but like all humans I fail.

God understands that. That is why He forgives us. He figured that out after seeing how his Commandants didn't work out so well.

Of course accepting His forgiveness incurs the responsibility to be the best we can be. However, even at that we will all fall short.

The right to keep and bear arms is a little insurance against others that fall short. Like maybe a MS-13 gang member that would like to kill your family just for an initiation ritual. Maybe insurance against a vile despicable government that would load you onto railroad cars and ship you off to a concentration camp.

 

[Brian Blackwell]

[QU


Yes, defense is good; in fact it is paramount. Just as important as not committing acts of aggression ourselves.

So what role does morality play in your view? I see none.

I recognize that I am a sinner and incapable of being righteous. I try but like all humans I fail.

God understands that. That is why He forgives us. He figured that out after seeing how his Commandants didn't work out so well.

Of course accepting His forgiveness incurs the responsibility to be the best we can be. However, even at that we will all fall short.

The right to keep and bear arms is a little insurance against others that fall short. Like maybe a MS-13 gang member that would like to kill your family just for an initiation ritual. Maybe insurance against a vile despicable government that would load you onto railroad cars and ship you off to a concentration camp.

Ok, then that’s great. We’re basically on the same page - make an earnest effort to be as moral as possible, and defend yourself against others who fail (or aren’t trying at all).

My point was about this trying. Forgiveness is not license to do wrong. So knowing the difference between right and wrong is extremely important. It is wrong to infringe upon another’s right to bear arms. Not because the Constitution says so, but because it is a fundamental human right to defend oneself, and inhibiting one’s ability to do so is immoral.

In the same way, inhibiting any right is immoral, and people have a right to do anything that does not harm another, or violate another’s rights in any way. For this reason, I submit that support of a government that inhibits such rights to be immorality by proxy, and that no person earnestly seeking to be moral can abide having any hand in it.

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

 

[Timmy]

Trump gave his speech at a gun free zone .

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There were reportedly 15 ACRES of guns manufacturers exposing their wares at the NRA convention. Now tell me again that the NRA isn't a gun manufacturers' lobby. Go ahead, I DARE YA!

Technically, the NRA is NOT a lobbying organization. The NRA-ILA is the lobbying organization.

Just saying.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Trump gave his speech at a gun free zone .

Thanks to the restrictions place on the venue by the City of Dallas, and the restrictions placed on the venue by the Secret Service.

 

[Timmy]

Trump gave his speech at a gun free zone .

Thanks to the restrictions place on the venue by the City of Dallas, and the restrictions placed on the venue by the Secret Service.

What’s your point ?

 

[Flash]

Trump gave his speech at a gun free zone .

..and the Limousine Libtards show up at anti gun rallies with armed security guards and live in gated communities with armed guards so just go **** yourself asshole.

 

[Flash]

[Q Forgiveness is not license to do wrong.

A-Men Brother!

 

[ding]

[Q

Re: tank, nothing wrong with you owning one, but same goes for AA missiles.

As for your regs on nuclear material, that is an infringement on my 2nd right.

They are not my regs. They are the filthy ass government's regs.

I suspect that an AA system would cost you at least $100 million. Do you have that money to spend on that kind of range toy?

The crime should never be the possession of an arm but the crime that is done with it.

Goes hand in hand with the bit in the Constitution that says "shall not be infringed".

I agree with you about the infringing. So Arab-American with enough money should be able to own AA missiles and more...?

If a ******* Muslim wants to commit a crime with any weapon then no law is going to stop him.

If you agree with me that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed then good for you.

Now answer this question for me, Moon Bat.

There were 500,000 bump stocks sold in the US.

One person commits a crime with them. Why should the other 499,999 people that own bump stocks and never committed a crime have their rights infringed upon?

They shouldn't. And children should be allowed to carry at school to protect themselves. There's no age limit in the 2nd.

Look at you using reverse psychology.

 

[Taz]

[Q

They shouldn't.And children should be allowed to carry at school to protect themselves. There's no age limit in the 2nd .

Good for you!

So does that also mean that my granddaughter who will be seven years old in 2020 can vote for Trump?

has nothing to do with the 2nd.

If you don't think Constitutional rights have age limitations then it applies to all of them.

If I tell my granddaughter to vote for Trump she will do it. That is just as silly as for an idiot like you suggesting that a seven year old be allowed to carry a loaded weapon to school.

Sorry but you don't get to be selective with your silly points. This isn't Democratunderground.

The 2nd is the only one that shall not be infringed.

 

[ding]

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

And so you are suggesting what exactly?

 

[ding]

[Q

They shouldn't.And children should be allowed to carry at school to protect themselves. There's no age limit in the 2nd .

Good for you!

So does that also mean that my granddaughter who will be seven years old in 2020 can vote for Trump?

has nothing to do with the 2nd.

If you don't think Constitutional rights have age limitations then it applies to all of them.

If I tell my granddaughter to vote for Trump she will do it. That is just as silly as for an idiot like you suggesting that a seven year old be allowed to carry a loaded weapon to school.

Sorry but you don't get to be selective with your silly points. This isn't Democratunderground.

The 2nd is the only one that shall not be infringed.

It's the only one they needed to explicitly state it shall not be infringed.

 

[Brian Blackwell]

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

And so you are suggesting what exactly?

Removing support from immorality, instead of feeding it with one hand while waving your disapproving finger with the other.

 

[ding]

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

And so you are suggesting what exactly?

Removing support from immorality, instead of feeding it with one hand while waving your disapproving finger with the other.

You mean removing support for government, don't you?

 

[Brian Blackwell]

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

And so you are suggesting what exactly?

Removing support from immorality, instead of feeding it with one hand while waving your disapproving finger with the other.

You mean removing support for government, don't you?

In this context, yes, though obviously that is not the only immorality. The women in the video, and many here, do not support the “Democrat plantation” because they view it accurately as slavery. But they fail to see the very same immorality when it wears a different mask.

If our withholding of support is to have any meaning or efficacy, it must actually be withheld from slavery in all its forms. Governmental authority in any form is slavery, and so our support must be withheld.

Any organizational and defensive functions that do not include a claim to authority may be maintained, but it would hardly be appropriate to call such a body “government”.

 

[ding]

Voting for change, knowing full well that they will commit immoral violations of rights on many fronts regardless of who gets elected, is not enough. In fact, such participation is immoral in itself because it is the basis of their power.

And so you are suggesting what exactly?

Removing support from immorality, instead of feeding it with one hand while waving your disapproving finger with the other.

You mean removing support for government, don't you?

In this context, yes, though obviously that is not the only immorality. The women in the video, and many here, do not support the “Democrat plantation” because they view it accurately as slavery. But they fail to see the very same immorality when it wears a different mask.

If our withholding of support is to have any meaning or efficacy, it must actually be withheld from slavery in all its forms. Governmental authority in any form is slavery, and so our support must be withheld.

Any organizational and defensive functions that do not include a claim to authority may be maintained, but it would hardly be appropriate to call such a body “government”.

Then why did you initially couch it as otherwise.

 

[Taz]

[Q

Re: tank, nothing wrong with you owning one, but same goes for AA missiles.

As for your regs on nuclear material, that is an infringement on my 2nd right.

They are not my regs. They are the filthy ass government's regs.

I suspect that an AA system would cost you at least $100 million. Do you have that money to spend on that kind of range toy?

The crime should never be the possession of an arm but the crime that is done with it.

Goes hand in hand with the bit in the Constitution that says "shall not be infringed".

I agree with you about the infringing. So Arab-American with enough money should be able to own AA missiles and more...?

If a ******* Muslim wants to commit a crime with any weapon then no law is going to stop him.

If you agree with me that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed then good for you.

Now answer this question for me, Moon Bat.

There were 500,000 bump stocks sold in the US.

One person commits a crime with them. Why should the other 499,999 people that own bump stocks and never committed a crime have their rights infringed upon?

They shouldn't. And children should be allowed to carry at school to protect themselves. There's no age limit in the 2nd.

Look at you using reverse psychology.

If you're going to protect the 2nd, don't be another ******* cherry-picker, protect it all the way!

 

[iceberg]

Trump gave his speech at a gun free zone .

most presidents do.