Best selling new book on Palestinian people

[montelatici]

The Greeks (Herodotus) called it Palaistinê (Παλαιστίνη) around 500 BC. Ruddy is a constant liar. Also the Ottomans called it Filistin and there are post marks for postage going abroad from the Ottoman period that prove it. Lying Ruddy.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by Shusha
It still is non-existent. When asked directly what the difference is between Palestinians, Syrians and Jordanians, the Palestinians typically answer, "nothing."

OH MY GOD!!!!

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

We have just heard the mother of all bombshells!!!!

THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!!!!

Someone go to the UN and tell the Secretary-General and all the world leaders that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has finally, abruptly come to an end!!!!

No one in their wildest dreams could have imagined the conflict would end in such a bizarre fashion:

The arab people who had spent the last 120 years fighting the colonization of their land by european invaders, their exile and imprisonment in ethnic enclaves have just vanished into thin air!!

Tell Netanyahu to tear down the Wall, the fences, the machine gun nests....

HELL... TELL HIM TO DISBAND THE ENTIRE IDF ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!

The very same people who until yesterday had to be kept from returning to Jaffa, Haifa, Jerusalem under death threat, who were willing to die and endure decades of tremendous suffering for their birthright have experienced a collective change of heart overnight and from now on will leave the israeli army alone and will fight to the death against the armed forces of Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt for their right to return to Damascus, Aleppo, Amman, Baghdad and Cairo!!

Someone give Shusha the next Nobel Peace Prize, for Christ's sake!!

She single-handedly performed the miracle of solving the most intractable ethnocratic conflict in human history by merely declaring the nonexistence of one of the parties, the nonexistence of the palestinian people!!

NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE = NO CONFLICT

Who could have ever thought it was so simple?

The Jews are the indigenous natives of Israel and Judea, if you've ever visited the Arch of Titus, which is right near your country of Spain. And before you start posting pics of Jared, tell us why Queen Noor of Jordan has blonde hair. Jews come from Judea and Arabs come from Arabia, despite all of your dramatic hysterics that you post.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by Shusha
It still is non-existent. When asked directly what the difference is between Palestinians, Syrians and Jordanians, the Palestinians typically answer, "nothing."

OH MY GOD!!!!

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!

We have just heard the mother of all bombshells!!!!

THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!!!!

Someone go to the UN and tell the Secretary-General and all the world leaders that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has finally, abruptly come to an end!!!!

No one in their wildest dreams could have imagined the conflict would end in such a bizarre fashion:

The arab people who had spent the last 120 years fighting the colonization of their land by european invaders, their exile and imprisonment in ethnic enclaves have just vanished into thin air!!

Tell Netanyahu to tear down the Wall, the fences, the machine gun nests....

HELL... TELL HIM TO DISBAND THE ENTIRE IDF ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!

The very same people who until yesterday had to be kept from returning to Jaffa, Haifa, Jerusalem under death threat, who were willing to die and endure decades of tremendous suffering for their birthright have experienced a collective change of heart overnight and from now on will leave the israeli army alone and will fight to the death against the armed forces of Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt for their right to return to Damascus, Aleppo, Amman, Baghdad and Cairo!!

Someone give Shusha the next Nobel Peace Prize, for Christ's sake!!

She single-handedly performed the miracle of solving the most intractable ethnocratic conflict in human history by merely declaring the nonexistence of one of the parties, the nonexistence of the palestinian people!!

NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE = NO CONFLICT

Who could have ever thought it was so simple?

Shusha was just quoting what many Palestinian leaders have said in the past. Quite recently, a Hamas leader said that half the Palestinians come from Arabia and the other half from Egypt. Shusha did not say anything original or earth-shattering. It is common knowledge.

 

[Shusha]

Again, no one is arguing what it was called at various times in history. We are arguing the association of ALL periods of past history with the Arab Muslim modern political concept while specifically rejecting , erasing and replacing the Jewish association.

Why?! Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[louie888]

Again, no one is arguing what it was called at various times in history. We are arguing the association of ALL periods of past history with the Arab Muslim modern political concept while specifically rejecting , erasing and replacing the Jewish association.

TRANSLATION FOR "ARGUING."

You come on here and lie. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. Etc. etc. etc....

 

[Roudy]

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

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Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

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No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

They changed the name to its European name of Palestine after centuries of Ottoman rule that did not recognize the existence of a Palestine and called it Southern Syria. In other words Palestine is the European colonial revisionistic name for the region, having nothing to do with reality or history.

So? What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people? Did they just not exist?

This is such a stupid argument.

And the natives of the land were called Jews, Hebrews, Israelites, etc. you dumbass.

 

[Roudy]

Again, no one is arguing what it was called at various times in history. We are arguing the association of ALL periods of past history with the Arab Muslim modern political concept while specifically rejecting , erasing and replacing the Jewish association.

TRANSLATION FOR "ARGUING."

You come on here and lie. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. Etc. etc. etc....

Good job describing yourself!

 

[Coyote]

Again, no one is arguing what it was called at various times in history. We are arguing the association of ALL periods of past history with the Arab Muslim modern political concept while specifically rejecting , erasing and replacing the Jewish association.

TRANSLATION FOR "ARGUING."

You come on here and lie. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. You lie again. You get proven wrong. Etc. etc. etc....

That's not very fair. She makes good points and provides good supporting arguments. I've never seen her lie.

 

[Roudy]

The Greeks (Herodotus) called it Palaistinê (Παλαιστίνη) around 500 BC. Ruddy is a constant liar. Also the Ottomans called it Filistin and there are post marks for postage going abroad from the Ottoman period that prove it. Lying Ruddy.

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Oh gee, the Greeks called it by the same new name the Roman invaders gave it after they changed its name? Wow!

 

[aris2chat]

Nazi Palestine: The Plans for the Extermination of the Jews of Palestine — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
UN Textbooks for Palestinian Children ‘Explosively Anti-Semitic, Anti-American and Anti-Israeli'
Palestinian people do not exist
The Palestinian nation was invented

From books calling for the extermination of jews to experts saying palestinians don't exist. Opinions come from both extremes but a blank book is hateful?

 

[Lipush]

How insulting to the people.

But hilarious nontheless!

 

[louie888]

How insulting to the people.

But hilarious nontheless!

And you really think that antisemitism is some irrational hatred of Jews and has nothing to do with the behavior the loud little handful shows to the world?

Think about your last post and many others right here on this board before you respond.

 

[José]

Originally posted by yiostheoy
José you seem pretty well versed in one side of the debate.

You should at least get yourself a real avatar to go with your moniker so that you don't risk getting iggy-listed with the other spammers and trolls like I otherwise regularly do to anyone without an avatar.

What's so damn important about an avatar that leads you to mute half the board, yiostheoy?

We are all disembodied personas on the internet... and last time I checked this board is about politics, hobbies, entertainment etc... It's not a dating site so the only thing that matters are the thoughts we tipe on our keyboards.

 

[José]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
And before you start posting pics of Jared, tell us why Queen Noor of Jordan has blonde hair.

Queen Noor was born Lisa Najeeb Halaby in Washington, D.C. She was born to a family distinguished for its public service. She is the daughter of Najeeb Halaby (1915–2003) and Doris Carlquist (1918–2015) of Swedish descent.

Queen Noor of Jordan - Wikipedia

 

[José]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
Shusha was just quoting what many Palestinian leaders have said in the past. Quite recently, a Hamas leader said that half the Palestinians come from Arabia and the other half from Egypt. Shusha did not say anything original or earth-shattering. It is common knowledge.

You have an awful lot of family members living in Israel and it's a short trip from Tel Aviv to Lebannon, Jordan or Egypt.

I am saying palestinians have a separate national identity from Jordanians, Lebannese and Egyptians.

Shusha and Aris2chat say they don't.

José
The palestinian identity was practically non-existent.

Shusha
It still is non-existent.

So why do you have to rely on second-hand information when you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth?

In any of those arab countries, show an arab whose parents or grandparents came from Palestine a map of Jordan, Lebbannon, Egypt and Palestine and ask them to indicate to you which one depicts their homeland.

The arab doesn't even have to be a resident of a refugee camp.

In our small experiment I even give you the freedom to choose a upper-middle-class family living in Amman or Beirut fully integrated into Jordan's, Lebannon's society.

Ask them which map shows their homeland and which map shows their host country.

Don't take it from me and don't take it from Shusha and Aris, either.

Take it from the arab refugees' families themselves.

 

[Challenger]

amazon pulls a blank book, but Mein Kampf is still being sold?????

A blank book is free speech. Mein Kampf is hate speech that lead the death of millions

Palestinians spend $24 million on a museum in the West Bank, that has no exhibits, but a book that makes the best seller list gets pulled (at least on one site)?

More alice in wonderland un-logic

Why Is a book of blank pages of value beyond fad? Like mein Kampf...is it not another vehicle to spread hate?

Arabs and palestinians for decades did not consider "palestinian" was anything but a tool to destroy Israel.

They were not a people, not really. In the 70's a history and culture was created.

They were arabs, egyptians, jordanians, syrians

The mandate was Jerusalem, Acre, Nablus sanjuks. Similar divisions through what is now Syria and Lebanon, divided into city states with outline land around them. People identified by the city or sanjuk they lived in.

But now they are a people and the only purpose of such a book is to deny them their identity

Hardly, this is either a childish publicity stunt or a book designed for illiterate morons, written by an illiterate moron; either way it's not worth wasting time on.

 

[rylah]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
Shusha was just quoting what many Palestinian leaders have said in the past. Quite recently, a Hamas leader said that half the Palestinians come from Arabia and the other half from Egypt. Shusha did not say anything original or earth-shattering. It is common knowledge.

You have an awful lot of family members living in Israel and it's a short trip from Tel Aviv to Lebannon, Jordan or Egypt.

I am saying palestinians have a separate national identity from Jordanians, Lebannese and Egyptians.

Shusha and Aris2chat say they don't.

José
The palestinian identity was practically non-existent.

Shusha
It still is non-existent.

So why do you have to rely on second-hand information when you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth?

In any of those arab countries, show an arab whose parents or grandparents came from Palestine a map of Jordan, Lebbannon, Egypt and Palestine and ask them to indicate to you which one depicts their homeland.

The arab doesn't even have to be a resident of a refugee camp.

In our small experiment I even give you the freedom to choose a upper-middle-class family living in Amman or Beirut fully integrated into Jordan's, Lebannon's society.

Ask them which map shows their homeland and which map shows their host country.

Don't take it from me and don't take it from Shusha and Aris, either.

Take it from the arab refugees' families themselves.

Palestinians say the don't, it's a European invention:

 

[Challenger]

I posted this elsewhere, but it's just as relevant here:

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

 

[Challenger]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
Shusha was just quoting what many Palestinian leaders have said in the past. Quite recently, a Hamas leader said that half the Palestinians come from Arabia and the other half from Egypt. Shusha did not say anything original or earth-shattering. It is common knowledge.

You have an awful lot of family members living in Israel and it's a short trip from Tel Aviv to Lebannon, Jordan or Egypt.

I am saying palestinians have a separate national identity from Jordanians, Lebannese and Egyptians.

Shusha and Aris2chat say they don't.

José
The palestinian identity was practically non-existent.

Shusha
It still is non-existent.

So why do you have to rely on second-hand information when you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth?

In any of those arab countries, show an arab whose parents or grandparents came from Palestine a map of Jordan, Lebbannon, Egypt and Palestine and ask them to indicate to you which one depicts their homeland.

The arab doesn't even have to be a resident of a refugee camp.

In our small experiment I even give you the freedom to choose a upper-middle-class family living in Amman or Beirut fully integrated into Jordan's, Lebannon's society.

Ask them which map shows their homeland and which map shows their host country.

Don't take it from me and don't take it from Shusha and Aris, either.

Take it from the arab refugees' families themselves.

Palestinians say the don't, it's a European invention:

Interesting comment from the above You tube site:

"It’s like asking what is the difference between Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Colombians and Peruvians.. they speak the same language, share some common history, but they have regional differences.. and these differences exist even within the country. A Syrian from Damascus will be different from a Syrian from Aleppo. A Lebanese from Beirut will be different from a Lebanese from Baalbek, a Jordanian from Amman will be different than a Bedouin from the South of Jordan. A Palestinian from Gaza will be different than a Palestinian from Jerusalem. They will have different food recipes, different dialects (or at least the accent will be different), etc… Not to mention that for instance, Lebanon is half Christian, while Jordan is almost 90% Muslim. Lebanon and Syria have minorities like Assyrians, Armenians while Jordan has Circassians and Turkmens. Lebanon has a big French influence while Jordan has more a British influence."

Another strawman from Rylah, the only odd people out in Palestine are the European settler colonists and their co-religionists they imported from elsewhere to make up numbers.

 

[rylah]

Originally posted by ForeverYoung436
Shusha was just quoting what many Palestinian leaders have said in the past. Quite recently, a Hamas leader said that half the Palestinians come from Arabia and the other half from Egypt. Shusha did not say anything original or earth-shattering. It is common knowledge.

You have an awful lot of family members living in Israel and it's a short trip from Tel Aviv to Lebannon, Jordan or Egypt.

I am saying palestinians have a separate national identity from Jordanians, Lebannese and Egyptians.

Shusha and Aris2chat say they don't.

José
The palestinian identity was practically non-existent.

Shusha
It still is non-existent.

So why do you have to rely on second-hand information when you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth?

In any of those arab countries, show an arab whose parents or grandparents came from Palestine a map of Jordan, Lebbannon, Egypt and Palestine and ask them to indicate to you which one depicts their homeland.

The arab doesn't even have to be a resident of a refugee camp.

In our small experiment I even give you the freedom to choose a upper-middle-class family living in Amman or Beirut fully integrated into Jordan's, Lebannon's society.

Ask them which map shows their homeland and which map shows their host country.

Don't take it from me and don't take it from Shusha and Aris, either.

Take it from the arab refugees' families themselves.

Palestinians say the don't, it's a European invention:

Interesting comment from the above You tube site:

"It’s like asking what is the difference between Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, Colombians and Peruvians.. they speak the same language, share some common history, but they have regional differences.. and these differences exist even within the country. A Syrian from Damascus will be different from a Syrian from Aleppo. A Lebanese from Beirut will be different from a Lebanese from Baalbek, a Jordanian from Amman will be different than a Bedouin from the South of Jordan. A Palestinian from Gaza will be different than a Palestinian from Jerusalem. They will have different food recipes, different dialects (or at least the accent will be different), etc… Not to mention that for instance, Lebanon is half Christian, while Jordan is almost 90% Muslim. Lebanon and Syria have minorities like Assyrians, Armenians while Jordan has Circassians and Turkmens. Lebanon has a big French influence while Jordan has more a British influence."

Another strawman from Rylah, the only odd people out in Palestine are the European settler colonists and their co-religionists they imported from elsewhere to make up numbers.

Another deflection from the obvious fact that Arab Muslim colonialism seeks domination over all those indigenous minorities in the ME.

Palestinian nationalism is exactly that - Arab Muslim colonialism.