Best selling new book on Palestinian people

[Roudy]

Palestine and the people of Palestine were known 500 years before the birth of Christ (Herodotus). And, they are mentioned in the Bible.

"Exodus 15:14

The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.”



EXODUS 15:14 KJV "The people shall hear, [and] be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina."

You're always so fulla shit and lies! The actual word is PHILISTIA, and God condemned and destroyed it! Funny how you assholes latch on to this one mistaken version like shit to flies. Ya gotta love it!

Exodus 15:14 The nations will hear and tremble; anguish will grip the people of Philistia.
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New International Version
The nations will hear and tremble; anguish will grip the people of Philistia.

New Living Translation
The peoples hear and tremble; anguish grips those who live in Philistia.

English Standard Version
The peoples have heard; they tremble; pangs have seized the inhabitants of Philistia.

New American Standard Bible
"The peoples have heard, they tremble; Anguish has gripped the inhabitants of Philistia.

King James Bible
The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
When the peoples hear, they will shudder; anguish will seize the inhabitants of Philistia.

International Standard Version
"The people heard and they quaked, anguish has seized the inhabitants of Philistia.

NET Bible
The nations will hear and tremble; anguish will seize the inhabitants of Philistia.

New Heart English Bible
The peoples have heard. They tremble. Pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
People will hear of it and tremble. The people of Philistia will be in anguish.

JPS Tanakh 1917
The peoples have heard, they tremble; Pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

New American Standard 1977
“The peoples have heard, they tremble;
Anguish has gripped the inhabitants of Philistia.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The peoples shall hear and be afraid; sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

King James 2000 Bible
The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

American King James Version
The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

American Standard Version
The peoples have heard, they tremble: Pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Nations rose up, and were angry: sorrows took hold on the inhabitants of Philisthiim.

Darby Bible Translation
The peoples heard it, they were afraid: A thrill seized the inhabitants of Philistia.

English Revised Version
The peoples have heard, they tremble: Pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

World English Bible
The peoples have heard. They tremble. Pangs have taken hold on the inhabitants of Philistia.

Young's Literal Translation
Peoples have heard, they are troubled; Pain hath seized inhabitants of Philistia.

Palestine and Philistia are the same place in Greek you idiot. And, the King James version is what the Protestants use and it says Palestina.

Ha ha ha what a buffoon! Since when does the Muslim who pretends to be Catholic quote the ONE Protestant version that has it spelled incorrectly? As opposed to ALL the other versions, that has it spelled Philistia. And I'd be careful calling them the same considering what is said about the Philistines in the Bible! Now go peddle your fraud elsewhere, fly that buzzes and lands shit all the time. LOL

Lie of Palestine

A grievous, if not willful, mistake frequently occurring in Christian publications is labeling the Land given by divine covenant to Jacob and his posterity as "Palestine." The English word translates the Greek Palaistinē and the Hebrew Palestina, neither of which occurs anywhere in Scripture. The original Bible term is P’leshet (LXX Phulistieim), which occurs eight times in the Tanakh (Ex 15:14, Ps 60:8; 83:7; 87:4;108:9; Isa 14:29, 31; Joel 3:4), always referring to Mediterranean coastal region of Israel, called Philistia, occupied by the Philistines (p’lishti) (BDB 814).

The venerable King James Version inexplicably renders p'leshet as "Palestina" at Exodus 15:14; Isaiah 14:29, and 31, and yet in the rest of the occurrences of p'leshettranslates the word as Philistia or Philistines. Christians have substituted "Palestine" for Israel, especially the titles of Bible maps or on the geographical boundaries shown on Bible maps, on the assumption that "Palestine" is a neutral term without political connotations. Nothing could be further from the truth. Calling biblical Israel or the present State of Israel "Palestine" is not simply inaccurate, but demeans God's choice of the name "Israel."

Spewing propaganda just makes your assertions bigger lies. Herodotus wrote about Palestinians in 500 BC in his "Histories"

Then there is:

Written by Eusebius of Caesarea Marittima, Palestine in the 4th century.

"De martyribus Palestinae" (Of the Palestinian Martyrs)

Best selling new book on Palestinian people

4th century Palestine was Israel, dumbass. Jesus did not live in nor was there a Palestine during his life. The Romans invaded and changed its name. Epic fail.

 

[Roudy]

There never was an israel or israeli's before 1948, jewish is a religious choice, the arabs are a race

Ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee. That was a good joke.

 

[montelatici]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

 

[Roudy]

I can't believe a book with blank pages could be a best seller. The poster of the OP is known for lies.

Most of you who don't read books anyways, should really check this out. It's from the author previously mentioned on this thread...

Another moron who's theories have been debunked. Like I said, you guys are like flies to shit.

 

[Roudy]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

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Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

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No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

View attachment 135255

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

View attachment 135256

No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

 

[Coyote]

But now they are a people and the only purpose of such a book is to deny them their identity

I disagree with this. I think the purpose of the book is a response to a much bigger problem. A problem which no one seems to see or think is a problem. While it is a particularly unsavory way to do it -- I think it must be done.

The problem is the erasure of the Jewish people and their replacement by the "Palestinian" people.

Its common, almost mandatory, nowadays to call the territory "Palestine", no matter what period of history you are discussing -- even if you are discussing the height of the Jewish nation in what was Israel and Judah. Thus the people who lived under the Kingdom of David are "Palestinians" living "Palestine". I just read an online article using this terminology yesterday.

This is the erasure of the peoplehood and history of Jews. This is how Jewish historical and religious sites and artifacts are usurped and become "Palestinian". It is an existential threat to the Jewish people.

"Palestinian" is a political term (its not even a cultural term since there is no distinguishing "Palestinian" culture and since the people themselves identify as belonging to a cultural group which includes Syrians and Jordanians). It denotes the modern Arab Muslim (and to some extent Christian) people with a specific political goal.

As a political term, its fine. And I have no problem supporting the Palestinian people in achieving self-determination as a national (political) entity. But they must not usurp the Jewish people's history. Therefore, we can not use that term when referring to anything prior to the 1960s.

I'm sorry, but I see it as yet another way to erase the Palestinian people and any rights they might have - that's all I see it as. It offers no words to create any other interpretation.

If someone wrote a blank book about the Jews, it would be called out. Every "people" starts somewhere, some time. A blank book essentially says - there is no such people - exactly the same argument that is used to deny them their rights.

 

[Shusha]

FFS. No one is arguing that the place name existed in history.

The argument is against using the place name as a vehicle for erasing Jewish history and replacing it with the modern Arab Muslim political construct.

 

[Shusha]

If someone wrote a blank book about the Jews, it would be called out. Every "people" starts somewhere, some time. A blank book essentially says - there is no such people - exactly the same argument that is used to deny them their rights.

People are creating blank "books" about the Jewish people. People are doing it on the international stage, in global governing bodies. Who is calling it out? Where's the outcry?

Further, where is all the "but free speech!" arguments? Where is the outcry that free speech should be a protected right? Where is the demand that people be permitted to freely voice their opinion? Where is the insistence that criticism of Palestine is legitimate and should not be shut down?

 

[Coyote]

If someone wrote a blank book about the Jews, it would be called out. Every "people" starts somewhere, some time. A blank book essentially says - there is no such people - exactly the same argument that is used to deny them their rights.

People are creating blank "books" about the Jewish people. People are doing it on the international stage, in global governing bodies. Who is calling it out? Where's the outcry?

Further, where is all the "but free speech!" arguments? Where is the outcry that free speech should be a protected right? Where is the demand that people be permitted to freely voice their opinion? Where is the insistence that criticism of Palestine is legitimate and should not be shut down?

I've never seen a blank book on the Jewish history. But it would be JUST as abhorent.

 

[Coyote]

If someone wrote a blank book about the Jews, it would be called out. Every "people" starts somewhere, some time. A blank book essentially says - there is no such people - exactly the same argument that is used to deny them their rights.

People are creating blank "books" about the Jewish people. People are doing it on the international stage, in global governing bodies. Who is calling it out? Where's the outcry?

Further, where is all the "but free speech!" arguments? Where is the outcry that free speech should be a protected right? Where is the demand that people be permitted to freely voice their opinion? Where is the insistence that criticism of Palestine is legitimate and should not be shut down?

I want to add - I don't support shutting any free speech down, including the topic of this thread. It should be out in the open where it can be debated or debunked in the open.

 

[yiostheoy]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

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Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

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No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

The Romans called it Palestina after the ancient Phillistines.

 

[yiostheoy]

It is a standard colonial practice to dehumanize the natives.

Also true of one's enemies. You must dehumanize them before you can kill them with a clear conscience.

That's why in the past we called people Rags, Sand Nggrs, Commies, Gooks, Krauts, Japs, Reb's, Redcoats, Injuns, and the like.

Indeed, and "terrorist" is constantly used by Israeli propagandists.

Well terrorist and terrorism was invented by the Israelis in their war against the British.

Then the Palestinians copied those very same tactics.

It worked against the British.

It has not worked against the Israelis however.

 

[yiostheoy]

If someone wrote a blank book about the Jews, it would be called out. Every "people" starts somewhere, some time. A blank book essentially says - there is no such people - exactly the same argument that is used to deny them their rights.

People are creating blank "books" about the Jewish people. People are doing it on the international stage, in global governing bodies. Who is calling it out? Where's the outcry?

Further, where is all the "but free speech!" arguments? Where is the outcry that free speech should be a protected right? Where is the demand that people be permitted to freely voice their opinion? Where is the insistence that criticism of Palestine is legitimate and should not be shut down?

I want to add - I don't support shutting any free speech down, including the topic of this thread. It should be out in the open where it can be debated or debunked in the open.

In an intellectual society such as the USA, Europe, and Israel, you cannot hide the truth.

Only Arabs and Asians and Africans are gullible enough to be deceived.

 

[Shusha]

I've never seen a blank book on the Jewish history. But it would be JUST as abhorent.

Sure you have. UNESCO decisions which blank out any reference to Jewish history and name all historical sites as exclusively Arab or Muslim.

 

[Roudy]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

View attachment 135255

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

View attachment 135256

No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

The Romans called it Palestina after the ancient Phillistines.

It is a standard colonial practice to dehumanize the natives.

Also true of one's enemies. You must dehumanize them before you can kill them with a clear conscience.

That's why in the past we called people Rags, Sand Nggrs, Commies, Gooks, Krauts, Japs, Reb's, Redcoats, Injuns, and the like.

Indeed, and "terrorist" is constantly used by Israeli propagandists.

Well terrorist and terrorism was invented by the Israelis in their war against the British.

Then the Palestinians copied those very same tactics.

It worked against the British.

It has not worked against the Israelis however.

Did you forget about the terrorist prophet of Islam?

 

[Roudy]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

View attachment 135255

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

View attachment 135256

No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

The Romans called it Palestina after the ancient Phillistines.

Yes, the Romans called it Palestine as revenge, after they invaded and looted ancient Israel.

Israel and the Jewish people weren't the only people they did that to.

 

[Roudy]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

View attachment 135255

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

View attachment 135256

No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

They changed the name to its European name of Palestine after centuries of Ottoman rule that did not recognize the existence of a Palestine and called it Southern Syria. In other words Palestine is the European colonial revisionistic name for the region, having nothing to do with reality or history.

 

[Coyote]

I've never seen a blank book on the Jewish history. But it would be JUST as abhorent.

Sure you have. UNESCO decisions which blank out any reference to Jewish history and name all historical sites as exclusively Arab or Muslim.

That is wrong then, but does that make it right to applaud a book that is denying another people there own history just because it's not thousands of years old? It just never ends.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I would have no problem with a book about the palestinian national identity with few words or even without a single word written about the period prior to 1880.

Besides the social, economic and political background upon which it started to develop, there's really nothing to write about a national consciousness that hadn't even begun to form yet.

Ottoman sanjuks (jerusalem, acre, nablus), no palestine or palestinians

The self-hating Christian useful idiot, lies again.

"Conventional wisdom on the history of nationalism tells us that nations are of recent construction, and this has often been the case within the historiography of the modern Middle East. With the example of Palestine, some have denied the significance of such a name or notion before the nineteenth century. Yet, sources from throughout the Ottoman period are full of references to a place called Palestine (Filistin). In this episode, Zach Foster explores the continuity of Palestine as a geographical construct throughout the Ottoman period and the changes in the significance and limits of this territorial designation."



Palestinian Arabic Manual from the Ottoman period.

View attachment 135255

Ottoman postmark Jerusalem, Palestine

View attachment 135256

No Palestine during the Ottoman era, dufus. I have posted actual Ottoman maps that show what they called it: Southern Syria. Yet you keep posting this irrelevant garbage from the 1900's. You can put lipstick on the Palestine pig as much as you want, but there will still be no such thing as Palestine during Ottoman Empire.

It is interesting that when the world powers carved out new states after WWI, they called that place Palestine. Did they just pull that name out of their ass or was there a historic connection?

They changed the name to its European name of Palestine after centuries of Ottoman rule that did not recognize the existence of a Palestine and called it Southern Syria. In other words Palestine is the European colonial revisionistic name for the region, having nothing to do with reality or history.

So? What were Native Americans called before it was America? Were they different people? Did they just not exist?

This is such a stupid argument.