Best Health Care, Huh?

[RDD_1210]

Do you want to continue to look stupid or do you want to address the point ?

Why don't you start with this thread, which the left never touched in spite of repeated requests and bumps.

Be my guest.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...nest-people-point-the-errors-in-my-facts.html

Hahahah, did you really just link to a healthmyths thread???

Hahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Holy shit, thanks for making my day.

Let me guess, next you want to know why nobody takes ChessWarNow seriously either.

Sorry bout that!

hahahahahaha

I "don't want to know" anything about ChessWarNow.

However, I am quite aware of the fact that most see you has a thin fingernail smarter than Chris (the board moron).

I'd say you were sorry alright.

When you want to address the point, let me know.

Hahahahaha, sure. Just wait here and hold your breath. I'll address his amazing point momentarily.

 

[Listening]

Hahahah, did you really just link to a healthmyths thread???

Hahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Holy shit, thanks for making my day.

Let me guess, next you want to know why nobody takes ChessWarNow seriously either.

Sorry bout that!

hahahahahaha

I "don't want to know" anything about ChessWarNow.

However, I am quite aware of the fact that most see you has a thin fingernail smarter than Chris (the board moron).

I'd say you were sorry alright.

When you want to address the point, let me know.

Hahahahaha, sure. Just wait here and hold your breath. I'll address his amazing point momentarily.

Give me a moment to alert the board.

After all, this will be the first time you've addressed anything.

 

[RDD_1210]

I "don't want to know" anything about ChessWarNow.

However, I am quite aware of the fact that most see you has a thin fingernail smarter than Chris (the board moron).

I'd say you were sorry alright.

When you want to address the point, let me know.

Hahahahaha, sure. Just wait here and hold your breath. I'll address his amazing point momentarily.

Give me a moment to alert the board.

After all, this will be the first time you've addressed anything.

At the same time, alert the board how you shouldn't even be on this site after you agreed to ban yourself when Obama was reelected. Yet, here you are trolling away. Why is that?

Oh I know, you are not honest and have zero integrity. You must be proud.

 

[Listening]

Hahahahaha, sure. Just wait here and hold your breath. I'll address his amazing point momentarily.

Give me a moment to alert the board.

After all, this will be the first time you've addressed anything.

At the same time, alert the board how you shouldn't even be on this site after you agreed to ban yourself when Obama was reelected. Yet, here you are trolling away. Why is that?

Oh I know, you are not honest and have zero integrity. You must be proud.

You are still batting 1000.

 

[RDD_1210]

Give me a moment to alert the board.

After all, this will be the first time you've addressed anything.

At the same time, alert the board how you shouldn't even be on this site after you agreed to ban yourself when Obama was reelected. Yet, here you are trolling away. Why is that?

Oh I know, you are not honest and have zero integrity. You must be proud.

You are still batting 1000.

You know thats a good thing, right?

So....um, thanks.

 

[Redfish]

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

Bullshit------nothing but dem/lib/socialist LIES.

 

[Derideo_Te]

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

Bullshit------nothing but dem/lib/socialist LIES.

Too bad you couldn't refute any of them with credible links.

 

[GHook93]

I downloaded the full report and will study it first. Others can do likewise:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...rt/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf


And the overview:

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally - The Commonwealth Fund


Important to find out exactly how they conducted the study and if it is kosher before jumping to any personal conclusions. I say this about EVERY study, without exception.

Will get back with you on this once I have digested the study.

I agree we should exam the study and neither side should jump to it too quickly. The left should be so quick to believe with out skepticism and the right should be so quick to dismiss.

Personally I think there is a lot of merit to attacking our system pre and post Obaminationcare!

 

[GHook93]

It cost at least double today for me to cover my family than it did last year. That dang Bush!

True Obaminationcare wasn't the answer, but neither was status quo.

 

[depotoo]

Who founded this organization? None other than an Obama crony-

David Blumenthal, MD, came to his latest job just after it became a whole lot busier.When President Obama on March 20 (2009) appointed Dr. Blumenthal, 60, to be the national health information technology coordinator, it was barely a month after the enactment of a federal stimulus package that included about $19 billion in net Medicare and Medicaid incentives for electronic health records adoption.

 

[Listening]

I downloaded the full report and will study it first. Others can do likewise:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...rt/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf


And the overview:

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally - The Commonwealth Fund


Important to find out exactly how they conducted the study and if it is kosher before jumping to any personal conclusions. I say this about EVERY study, without exception.

Will get back with you on this once I have digested the study.

I agree we should exam the study and neither side should jump to it too quickly. The left should be so quick to believe with out skepticism and the right should be so quick to dismiss.

Personally I think there is a lot of merit to attacking our system pre and post Obaminationcare!

How do you compare a partially regulated and corrupt system like ours to countries that have socialist (not a bad word) health care ?

There is no comparison. To be meaningful, you'd need the public and private component of each system. I know Canada has a large private health care sector....how do you distinguish ?

We are also much larger than these countries. If you broke it down into regions, would it matter ? Could you find sections of the country that look better than Denmark (a country that might be a bit bigger than Kansas, but half the size of Chicago) ?

Have a good time.

 

[Listening]

It cost at least double today for me to cover my family than it did last year. That dang Bush!

True Obaminationcare wasn't the answer, but neither was status quo.

Correct,

The GOP blew it in the early 90's by not addressing the issue.

Hillarycare was Ready Fire Aim.

The GOP just put the rifle down.

At the same time, alert the board how you shouldn't even be on this site after you agreed to ban yourself when Obama was reelected. Yet, here you are trolling away. Why is that?

Oh I know, you are not honest and have zero integrity. You must be proud.

You are still batting 1000.

You know thats a good thing, right?

So....um, thanks.

You know it could mean you are wrong 100% of the time too. But, I guess you'll learn.

I noticed, you didn't address any of the points that have been made.

Typical.

 

[jillian]

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

Bullshit------nothing but dem/lib/socialist LIES.

poor clueless thing... typical brainwashed wackadoodle low information voter. but no doubt you think you're actually saying something when you spew.

now go wipe the spittle off of your chin.

 

[Meister]

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

Bullshit------nothing but dem/lib/socialist LIES.

poor clueless thing... typical brainwashed wackadoodle low information voter. but no doubt you think you're actually saying something when you spew.

now go wipe the spittle off of your chin.

Were you going to make a point, or were you just trolling your own thread?

 

[RDD_1210]

It cost at least double today for me to cover my family than it did last year. That dang Bush!

True Obaminationcare wasn't the answer, but neither was status quo.

Correct,

The GOP blew it in the early 90's by not addressing the issue.

Hillarycare was Ready Fire Aim.

The GOP just put the rifle down.

You are still batting 1000.

You know thats a good thing, right?

So....um, thanks.

You know it could mean you are wrong 100% of the time too. But, I guess you'll learn.

I noticed, you didn't address any of the points that have been made.

Typical.

I also noticed you don't honor your agreements.

Typical.

 

[Listening]

True Obaminationcare wasn't the answer, but neither was status quo.

Correct,

The GOP blew it in the early 90's by not addressing the issue.

Hillarycare was Ready Fire Aim.

The GOP just put the rifle down.

You know thats a good thing, right?

So....um, thanks.

You know it could mean you are wrong 100% of the time too. But, I guess you'll learn.

I noticed, you didn't address any of the points that have been made.

Typical.

I also noticed you don't honor your agreements.

Typical.

And you still haven't addressed the point.

Still batting 1000.

 

[Noomi]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

It is the worst because it sends people bankrupt.

 

[Cecilie1200]

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, and a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

Well, let's just define "access", shall we? Today I had what is a very normal spread of calls for my typical workday.

1) There was the gentleman with the 1199/SEIU coverage (I absolutely cringe when I see that come up in the header) who wanted to know why his "very important; I need it to live" medication was going to cost him $260. I explained that it was a quite new drug, a brand-name without a generic equivalent, and because of its newness on the market, it currently appeared on his insurance provider's formulary as non-preferred, which would probably change when it had been around longer and the effects had been observed more. He informed me that that was "Crazy! How can a medication cost that much!" I told him that the medication actually costs quite a bit more, when you considered the part the insurance was covering, and that many brand-names cost more than that. He then asked, "Well, why is the insurance company making me pay so much of it? You don't understand, I NEED this drug, so why does it cost me so much?" I think you just answered your own question, dummy.

2) There was the gold-standard call - it wouldn't be my workday without at least one of these gems. Guy took his prescription for Cialis to the local pharmacy to be filled, and they filled it . . . for half the quantity it was written for. When he asked them why they didn't give him the full amount, they told him that the claim had been rejected by the insurance company for any quantity over what they gave him. I explained that his insurance company has a quantity exception for Cialis - which is the norm among insurance companies - and in order for them to pay for his full prescription, his doctor would have to request a prior authorization. He gave me the answer I could hear coming a mile away: "Where does the insurance company get off overruling my doctor and telling me what drugs I can take?" My standard, memorized response: "They aren't telling you what drugs you can take. You are welcome to purchase whatever quantity out of your own pocket that you like. They are, however, declining to pay for any more than this amount without your doctor explaining the clinical necessity for it." The hard truth is, if you turn over responsibility for paying your bills to someone else, you also turn over the right to dictate what you get to that payer.

3) Just recently, United Parcel Service's union renegotiated their contract, and they were forced to face the hard truth: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. UPS is done giving their employees a platinum-plated free ride, and downgraded to gold plate instead. They imposed an incredibly nominal deductible, and a modest schedule of flat copayments depending on whether the drug is preferred, non-preferred or generic. When I say "modest", we're talking in the range of $5-10 for a 90-day supply of generic meds through the mail. Most of our members would kill to have their own policies be that inexpensive to them. Nevertheless, I have learned to cringe when I see UPS come up in the insurance header, too, because these people are INCENSED at the idea that they now are required to take on a VERY SLIGHTLY larger share of their own health costs. Don't even talk to me about premiums. Most of the people I talk to are on long-term medications like insulin, a cocktail of blood pressure and cholesterol pills, antidepressants and nerve medications, or all of the above. Their insurance companies are paying more for their meds every month than they are paying for their premiums, with no doubt.

Every single one of the people I talk to has "access" to medical care and medications; if they didn't, I wouldn't be talking to them, because my company is employed by their insurance companies. People without health insurance have no reason to call me at all. But THEY think they don't have access, because they are defining "access" as "I do squat and someone else provides everything for me because I deserve it".

 

[Listening]

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst

The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.

This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.

A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.

America ranks worst overall

The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.

There was no measure where the United States came in first place — our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

It is the worst because it sends people bankrupt.

No, it doesn't.

People bankrupt themselves.

BTW: The average bankruptcy (which is all or partially driven by health care costs) is about the cost of a good used car (20 grand).

Seems to me that people need to pay their bills. Declaring bankruptcy over 20 grand is cowardly.

 

[carthymc9]

USA and Canada both system have to similar but USA system as well best i think.