Best Health Care, Huh?

[Derideo_Te]

That has nothing to do with how our FF framed "General Welfare".
No doubt the liberals of today have most of them rolling in their grave.

Since you failed to provide any substantiation for your allegation it is null and void.

I hope this helps substantiate my allegation and give you a needed education.....apparently.
general welfare
What does the General Welfare Clause really mean? | Constitution Mythbuster
The General Welfare Clause | from Reason to Freedom
Does the "General Welfare Clause" Of The U.S. Constitution Authorize
Madison on the Meaning of the ?General Welfare,? the ?Purpose? of Enumerated Powers, and the ?Definition? of Constitutional Government
The General Welfare Clause | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)

Extremist RW bloggers are not a source of education, they are a source of disinformation and partisan demagoguery.

 

[Derideo_Te]

So there. It always goes back to that damn freeing of the slaves!!!!.....

Actually in my mind the much greater travesty and much more damaging act was the freeing of the women in the early 20th Century.

I have no issue with the concept of slavery, though I am opposed to it based solely on race. On the other hand I have a significant issue with allowing women to be involved in society as they are now, no matter what their age, race, or social status is.

Ok, that was weird.

Anathema is a self confessed wife beater.

 

[Meister]

Since you failed to provide any substantiation for your allegation it is null and void.

I hope this helps substantiate my allegation and give you a needed education.....apparently.
general welfare
What does the General Welfare Clause really mean? | Constitution Mythbuster
The General Welfare Clause | from Reason to Freedom
Does the "General Welfare Clause" Of The U.S. Constitution Authorize
Madison on the Meaning of the ?General Welfare,? the ?Purpose? of Enumerated Powers, and the ?Definition? of Constitutional Government
The General Welfare Clause | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)

Extremist RW bloggers are not a source of education, they are a source of disinformation and partisan demagoguery.

 

[bripat9643]

Since you failed to provide any substantiation for your allegation it is null and void.

I hope this helps substantiate my allegation and give you a needed education.....apparently.
general welfare
What does the General Welfare Clause really mean? | Constitution Mythbuster
The General Welfare Clause | from Reason to Freedom
Does the "General Welfare Clause" Of The U.S. Constitution Authorize
Madison on the Meaning of the ?General Welfare,? the ?Purpose? of Enumerated Powers, and the ?Definition? of Constitutional Government
The General Welfare Clause | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)

Extremist RW bloggers are not a source of education, they are a source of disinformation and partisan demagoguery.

How ironic.

 

[TooTall]

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, that a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

the ones me and the wife had over the last 30 years did....

 

[Anathema]

geezus....go find the Doctor and ask him to drop you off in 1650......

Actually, if he's going that way, I'd really prefer about 1250AD, but who's to quibble over a couple hundred years; since it would only be a matter of a couple years before I was dead in either time period.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit, NO one in the USA was denied medical care before obamacare. NO ONE. Even those here illegally were treated and it was FREE.

Yes, if you were getting it free, it was a little more inconvenient---------BFD, thats how free stuff works.

Obamacare has destroyed the good parts of american medical care and multiplied the bad parts---------oh, and it will cost more for everyone.

the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation. YOu dems own it.

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

 

[RDD_1210]

Too bad Redfish ignores all of those people who were denied medical care for "pre-existing conditions".

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

Thanks for letting us all know how clueless you are.

 

[Listening]

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

The only crisis that existed was for a small group of people who wanted affordable health care, but could not "afford" it based on the government protected health insurance industry.

So the answer was to give the health industry more protection and pull all of us into what was a very localized issue.

You dorks are amazing.

 

[Listening]

Medical care was not denied for "pre-existing conditions," insurance companies just didn't pay for it.

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

Thanks for letting us all know how clueless you are.

Thank you for not breeding.

 

[RDD_1210]

OK, one more time-------------Not having insurance does not mean you did not get treatment.


Uninsured people received medical care before obamacare, NO ONE WAS DENIED MEDICAL TREATMENT BEFORE ACA. NO ONE.


There was no healthcare crisis in the USA that mandated destroying the entire system.

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

The only crisis that existed was for a small group of people who wanted affordable health care, but could not "afford" it based on the government protected health insurance industry.

So the answer was to give the health industry more protection and pull all of us into what was a very localized issue.

You dorks are amazing.

Hahah, is this serious???

 

[Darkwind]

more at link

Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, and a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

A flat out lie. Every American has access to healthcare. No medical facility can turn a person away on the basis of anything.

Care is not measured by access. It is measured by outcome.

We rank # 1 in the world.

Too bad for you little hate America thread.

 

[Listening]

The healthcare system was not "destroyed" by the ACA and yes, there was a crisis.

If you could not afford the healthcare expenses out of pocket that your greedy profit obsessed HMO denied as being a "pre-existing condition" then it was the same thing as being denied treatment. When your choice is food or medication you choose food. Medical treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars were the number one cause of bankruptcies.

The only crisis that existed was for a small group of people who wanted affordable health care, but could not "afford" it based on the government protected health insurance industry.

So the answer was to give the health industry more protection and pull all of us into what was a very localized issue.

You dorks are amazing.

Hahah, is this serious???

I know this must be painful for you.

However, there is a cure.

It starts with you getting your head pulled out of Ed Shultz's ass.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Categories like the following:

access
efficiency
equity
healthy lives​

don't measure the quality of healthcare. They measure how socialist it is, or they measure cultural issues that affect health.

The article doesn't explain how the other categories:

effective care
safe care
coordinated care
patient centered care​

are measured. Furthermore, the last two sound like bogus measures that don't really measure the quality of the care.

The only thing that really measures the quality of healthcare: ie, how many people who go into the hospital with a health issue come out with a successful resolution. The United States beats every other country by far in that category - the only one that matters to the patient.

In short, your article is bullshit propaganda.

what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.

so yes, i'd choose columbia pres/ny hospital cornell over almost anything in the world if i needed a hospital (or mass general or johns hopkins, etc.) but if you earn $100,000 a year and your care is going to cost $300,000 then it doesn't matter how good the doctors are.


as for it meaning how many people who go to a doctor have a successful resolution, what else would you measure health care by some fantasmagircal make believe standard where you chant USA USA?

how about the right stop being defensive about the things we don't do well... and start solving problems?

oh right... that would mean thought, and a desire to solve those problems and actually govern.

never mind.

A flat out lie. Every American has access to healthcare. No medical facility can turn a person away on the basis of anything.

Care is not measured by access. It is measured by outcome.

We rank # 1 in the world.

Too bad for you little hate America thread.

Please provide a list of all those who turned up at the ER needing a heart transplant in order to survive and received one without any insurance or the ability to pay for it.

 

[RDD_1210]

The only crisis that existed was for a small group of people who wanted affordable health care, but could not "afford" it based on the government protected health insurance industry.

So the answer was to give the health industry more protection and pull all of us into what was a very localized issue.

You dorks are amazing.

Hahah, is this serious???

I know this must be painful for you.

However, there is a cure.

It starts with you getting your head pulled out of Ed Shultz's ass.

Who?

So does this mean your previous statement was in fact serious?

Really???

 

[Listening]

Hahah, is this serious???

I know this must be painful for you.

However, there is a cure.

It starts with you getting your head pulled out of Ed Shultz's ass.

Who?

So does this mean your previous statement was in fact serious?

Really???

Do you want to continue to look stupid or do you want to address the point ?

Why don't you start with this thread, which the left never touched in spite of repeated requests and bumps.

Be my guest.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...nest-people-point-the-errors-in-my-facts.html

 

[RDD_1210]

I know this must be painful for you.

However, there is a cure.

It starts with you getting your head pulled out of Ed Shultz's ass.

Who?

So does this mean your previous statement was in fact serious?

Really???

Do you want to continue to look stupid or do you want to address the point ?

Why don't you start with this thread, which the left never touched in spite of repeated requests and bumps.

Be my guest.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...nest-people-point-the-errors-in-my-facts.html

Hahahah, did you really just link to a healthmyths thread???

Hahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Holy shit, thanks for making my day.

Let me guess, next you want to know why nobody takes ChessWarNow seriously either.

Sorry bout that!

hahahahahaha

 

[Listening]

Who?

So does this mean your previous statement was in fact serious?

Really???

Do you want to continue to look stupid or do you want to address the point ?

Why don't you start with this thread, which the left never touched in spite of repeated requests and bumps.

Be my guest.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...nest-people-point-the-errors-in-my-facts.html

Hahahah, did you really just link to a healthmyths thread???

Hahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Holy shit, thanks for making my day.

Let me guess, next you want to know why nobody takes ChessWarNow seriously either.

Sorry bout that!

hahahahahaha

I "don't want to know" anything about ChessWarNow.

However, I am quite aware of the fact that most see you has a thin fingernail smarter than Chris (the board moron).

I'd say you were sorry alright.

When you want to address the point, let me know.