Papageorgio
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When your choice is Clinton and there is no way you can trust her and Trump who you can no way trust, then it's time for Sanders. He will do the least amount of harm of the three.
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When your choice is Clinton and there is no way you can trust her and Trump who you can no way trust, then it's time for Sanders. He will do the least amount of harm of the three.
Seawytch
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There is no way she can be trusted based on what? RW propaganda, that's what.
Maryland Patriot
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Based on her historical past as seen through the eyes of anyone who can actually see?
Hate to say it but in order of trustworthy its Bernie, Donald Charles Manson and then Hillary
Seawytch
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So post all this "historical evidence" that is indicative of untrustworthiness.
Trump lies as easily as breathing...
True 3%
Mostly True 9%
Pants on Fire 26%
Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact
Bernie's ratings:
True 14%
Mostly True 36%
Pants on Fire 0%
Bernie Sanders's file | PolitiFact
Hillary
True 44%
Mostly True 53%
Pants on Fire 3%
Hillary Clinton's file | PolitiFact
Maryland Patriot
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Really, You expect anyone that has even the least intellect to take politifact into consideration when looking for the truth?
But yes, hillary is a vile and ignorant old lying hag. And, she has been for as long as her cooter stained lips have been flapping fish breath lies in public.
oreo
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Talking in platitudes will not get you anywhere. Exactly what is that you don't trust about Hillary Clinton, and what is it that you trust about Bernie Sanders?
BREAKING UP THE BIG BANKS: I find it interesting--that his major platform was all about "breaking up the big banks" aka Wall street bankers, and when asked how he would accomplish that, he couldn't answer. The reason he couldn't answer is that he nor the Federal Government has the authority to break up the big banks, but that sure didn't stop him from campaigning on it.
Bernie Sanders Can't Explain How He'd Break Up Big Banks, Among Other Things | VICE News
BANKING BAILOUTS: Sanders has continued to bash the banking bailouts--but doesn't tell his supporters that those bailouts were paid back 3 or 4 years ago along with 41 billion in interest. He also didn't tell them that had Tarp 1 & 2 bailouts not been done, we would have had bread and soup lines 40 miles long, as employers would not have been able to pay their employees.
Barack Obama says banks paid back all the federal bailout money
CARBON TAX BILL: Sanders also didn't tell the whole truth on the carbon tax bill. This was voted on and passed the house in 2009, and Democrat senate majority leader, Harry Reid tabled it, as they realized that the ones that would be hurt the most by this bill would be the poor and middle class as utility bills would have skyrocketed. Democrats could have easily passed a carbon tax bill, as they had Super Majorities in both houses.
KEEP JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY: This platform is the most bizarre. He wants to raise taxes on corporations, but expects them to stay in this country. The Federal Government has no authority to make corporations or jobs stay in this country.
TRADE AGREEMENTS: Are signed contracts with other countries. They have always been a double edged sword. While the American consumer enjoys cheaper products, like computers, cell phones, etc. we also lose manufacturing jobs at the same time. One of the biggest reasons for trade is also for peace. Trading partners don't typically attack one another. There's nothing he can do about existing trade agreements, they are already signed into law.
BRADY BILL: Bernie Sanders has voted against background checks on gun purchases 5 times, aka the Brady bill. So while he's been out then out there complaining on all the above--(of which he can do nothing about)--he apparently doesn't have an issue with some anyone nutcase going into a gun store, loading up on guns and ammo to kill you with.
Economists have stated that Bernie Sanders would add an additional 29 TRILLION in Federal Government spending, on top of the 19 trillion in red ink we're already at. Here is what 1 trillion dollars looks like. These are $100.00 dollar bills stacked together on pallets.
And you "trust" Bernie Sanders? Sanders and Trump are the only two candidates that have refused to release their income tax returns in the last 40 years. When someone is refusing to release their returns, it's because they're hiding something that they don't want their supporters to know about.
You didn't find Bernie Sanders, he found you, and he has exploited your political ignorance.
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Seawytch
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Still no actual evidence of all these lies of Hillary's. That's more telling than the lame "attack the source" narrative.
oreo
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Some people are stating they are seeing signs of early stage Alzheimer's in Donald Trump. He'll say one thing and then act like he didn't say it, or remember he said it a minute later.
News Board | Daily Mail Online
Either that or he's just this:
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- Dead Broke – In an interview, Clinton stated that she “came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt.” Something even the left-leaning Politifact found to be false.
- Sniper Fire – During the 2008 campaign, Clinton said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia during the ’90s. She went so far as to claim her group ran “with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” Video of her actual arrival surfaced showing a very calm scene instead, and the Democrat would quickly say she simply misspoke.
- Immigrant Grandparents – When discussing immigrant stories, Clinton asserted that “all my grandparents… came over here.” It was another story Politifact said was false, as only one of her grandparents was an immigrant.
- Sir Edmund Hillary – Seems Clinton can’t even bring herself to tell the truth about her own name. She claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary, one of the first men to climb Mt. Everest. One small problem though, the explorer didn’t climb Everest until Clinton was 6 years old.
- The Few, The Proud, The Marines – Very recently, Clinton claimed to have been turned down by the Marines when she applied in 1975. Washington Post fact-checkers quickly realized the absurdity that a rising legal star at the time, and soon to be wife of Bill Clinton, would drop everything and ship off with the Marines. They gave her a couple of Pinocchios for her tall tale.
- Secret E-Mails – Former Secretary of State Clinton claimed her infamous private e-mail server was set up in “accordance with the rules and the regulations in effect.” A federal judge disagreed, saying Clinton “violated government policy” when she used a private server to store official State Department messages.
- Benghazi – Clearly the most reprehensible lie of them all – Clinton failed to tell the truth about a terrorist attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi. She claimed for weeks, standing over the flag-draped coffins of murdered Americans, that an insensitive YouTube video had incited the violence that occurred that night. Why? Because a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 – which it was – would have destroyed President Obama’s re-election chances. But hey, at the end of the day it’s worth it to Clinton to tell a politically expedient lie, so long as her party can stay in power.
If you could learn to use the internet you could actually make a month long project of looking up her proven lies.
But, I suppose I suggest to difficult a task for a liberal.
Papageorgio
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These are from leftwing sources.
Hillary Clinton Continues to Lie About the Failed State She Helped Create
How Hillary Clinton Lied Her Way to War in Libya
And then:
Hillary Clinton is lying about the criminal U.S.-backed coup in Honduras. It should be as scandalous as Libya
Hillary Clinton Needs to Answer for 'Regime Change' in Honduras
And then:
All False statements involving Hillary Clinton | PolitiFact
Her lies are big lies with very large consequences, how can we ever know she is telling us the truth.
oreo
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Sure there from left wing sites. Bernie Sanders sites. Right now Sanders and his supporters might as well be working for the Donald Trump campaign.
I have no idea what Sanders is still doing in this race? In all my years of being involved in politics I have never witnessed a candidate that was losing so badly. Where it was virtually impossible for him to get close to the nomination and still refuse to drop out of a race.
Today he came out and told his supporters he has a steep uphill climb, which is the understatement of the year--LOL He's got Mount Everest to climb without oxygen.
Hillary Clinton will secure the nomination on June 7th--there's no doubt about it.
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I suppose if Bernie really does care about the country, and he knows he cant make the numbers, He would have a personal obligation to try and give Donald any assistance he could. I mean, if he cared about the country.
oreo
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As I stated--Bernie Sanders and his supporters really should be working for the Donald Trump campaign. There's no other reason for him to be in this race.
Here are Sanders supporters in Nevada, with I would assume, the knowledge that there was no hope for Bernie Sanders winning the nomination. They had a conniption fit anyway. Death threats, etc. They may be worse than Trump supporters. At least Trump was winning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html?_r=1
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Papageorgio
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And I have no idea while the Obama administration is backing down from these lies, Clinton is still rolling forward with her lies. Funny, Clinton won't admit to lying when confronted with the evidence of her lies.
Papageorgio
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In the fall if Bernie is still hanging around, gets my vote. Clinton and Trump won't.
Seawytch
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Your "left wing sources" are opinion pieces from Bernie supporters. The only source with any validity is Politifact and her score there is damn good...especially when compared to other politicians (like all the GOP).
Bernie:
- True (14%)
- Mostly True (37%)
- Half True (18%)
- Mostly False (18%)
- False (12%)
- Pants on Fire 0
- True (23%)
- Mostly True (27%)
- Half True (22%)
- Mostly False (16%)
- False (11%)
- Pants on Fire (2%)
- True (2%)
- Mostly True (6%)
- Half True (15%)
- Mostly False (15%)
- False (43%)
- Pants on Fire (18%)
Maryland Patriot
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politicfact is as left as you can get.
It is not a reliable source for this.
Papageorgio
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The Obama administration has backed off on the statements, why? If they are the truth then there would be no backing down.
With her history of lies, I have no way to know if she is telling the truth or lying.
Seawytch
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Yes, we can tell by all the "reliable sources" you've been providing. Oh, that's right, you haven't provided any.
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dont worry, we all understand that since you are a liberal, you will believe any lie as long as it sounds like you are going to get something for free. The lack of self respect is just too high among you and yours.
Continue living in your ignorance
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