Bernie reintroduces Medicare For All with 15 co-sponsors, chairs Budget Committee Hearing "Medicare for All: Protecting Health, Saving Lives & Money"

[Polishprince]

....and reduce the quality of American healthcare, at the same rate.

The best healthcare costs more money. Is that some kind of shock? Sure, you can cut the pay of physicians, reduce medical research and all kinds of things to reduce costs.

But the result will be subpar quality.

Healthcare is definitely less expensive in countries like Paraguay, Bhutan and Lesotho.

But do you want to go there for complicated surgery?

Even if you are already there, you'll want to come to America if you need your abdomen opened up and your internal organs sliced as well as diced.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The best healthcare costs more money. Is that some kind of shock? Sure, you can cut the pay of physicians, reduce medical research and all kinds of things to reduce costs.

But the result will be subpar quality.

Healthcare is definitely less expensive in countries like Paraguay, Bhutan and Lesotho.

But do you want to go there for complicated surgery?

Even if you are already there, you'll want to come to America if you need your abdomen opened up and your internal organs sliced as well as diced.

Universal Healthcare Around the World:

Italy: average wait for a mammogram is 70 days

“When you compare the outcomes for specific

diseases, the United States clearly outperforms

the rest of the world. Whether the disease

is cancer, pneumonia, heart disease, or

AIDS, the chances of a patient surviving are far

higher in the United States than in other countries.



The same is true for prescription drugs.

For example, 44 percent of Americans who

could benefit from statins, lipid-lowering

medication that reduces cholesterol and protects

against heart disease, take the drug.

That number seems low until compared with

the 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of

Britons, and 17 percent of Italians who could

both benefit from the drug and receive it.”

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf



In Great Britain, about 20% of patients with treatable colon cancer at the time of discovery are considered incurable by the time treatment is finally available.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf



Countries in which complementary or supplementary private health insurance policies are common include

Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and the United States (in

the case of Medicare programme beneficiaries).

In countries where private health insurance is available, governments often impose rules on what sort of

coverage is permissible. For example, Australia prohibits private insurance policies from covering the

ambulatory care co-payments required in the public programme. Canada prohibits private health insurers

from covering benefits included in the national plan.

The public-integrated model combines on-budget financing of health-care provision with hospital

providers that are part of the government sector.6 These systems, which merge the insurance and provision

functions, are organised and operated like any government department. Staff is generally paid on salary

(although, in some cases, doctors can have private patients as well) and they are most often public-sector

employees. Ambulatory doctors and other health-care professionals can be either public employees or

private contractors to the health-care authority, with a range of remuneration packages. Ensuring complete

population coverage is particularly easy under such systems, and as they are under the control of the

budget, the growth of overall costs has been contained more easily. However, they have weak incentives to

increase output, improve efficiency, or maintain quality and responsiveness to patient needs.

 

[Polishprince]

Universal Healthcare Around the World:

Italy: average wait for a mammogram is 70 days

“When you compare the outcomes for specific

diseases, the United States clearly outperforms

the rest of the world. Whether the disease

is cancer, pneumonia, heart disease, or

AIDS, the chances of a patient surviving are far

higher in the United States than in other countries.



The same is true for prescription drugs.

For example, 44 percent of Americans who

could benefit from statins, lipid-lowering

medication that reduces cholesterol and protects

against heart disease, take the drug.

That number seems low until compared with

the 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of

Britons, and 17 percent of Italians who could

both benefit from the drug and receive it.”

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf



In Great Britain, about 20% of patients with treatable colon cancer at the time of discovery are considered incurable by the time treatment is finally available.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf



Countries in which complementary or supplementary private health insurance policies are common include

Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and the United States (in

the case of Medicare programme beneficiaries).

In countries where private health insurance is available, governments often impose rules on what sort of

coverage is permissible. For example, Australia prohibits private insurance policies from covering the

ambulatory care co-payments required in the public programme. Canada prohibits private health insurers

from covering benefits included in the national plan.

The public-integrated model combines on-budget financing of health-care provision with hospital

providers that are part of the government sector.6 These systems, which merge the insurance and provision

functions, are organised and operated like any government department. Staff is generally paid on salary

(although, in some cases, doctors can have private patients as well) and they are most often public-sector

employees. Ambulatory doctors and other health-care professionals can be either public employees or

private contractors to the health-care authority, with a range of remuneration packages. Ensuring complete

population coverage is particularly easy under such systems, and as they are under the control of the

budget, the growth of overall costs has been contained more easily. However, they have weak incentives to

increase output, improve efficiency, or maintain quality and responsiveness to patient needs.

A number of years ago, I had a fancy heart test at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. Fortunately, I passed the test, nothing serious.

But when I was at the nurse's station getting squared away, they had a map of the world with all kinds of stickpins for where each of their patients hailed from. Came from all over, scores of countries just to get medical care in Ohio.

People fail to realize the tremendous quality that so many of the healthcare facilities we have in America. When was the last time you heard of Americans going to England to have a complex procedure performed by NHS?

 

[PoliticalChic]

A number of years ago, I had a fancy heart test at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio. Fortunately, I passed the test, nothing serious.

But when I was at the nurse's station getting squared away, they had a map of the world with all kinds of stickpins for where each of their patients hailed from. Came from all over, scores of countries just to get medical care in Ohio.

People fail to realize the tremendous quality that so many of the healthcare facilities we have in America. When was the last time you heard of Americans going to England to have a complex procedure performed by NHS?

When pliers are an accouterments for healthcare.....this should be a clue:

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Some English people have resorted to pulling out their own teeth because they cannot find -- or cannot afford -- a dentist, a major study has revealed.

Six percent of those surveyed in an English study said they had resorted to dental "self-treatment."

Six percent of those questioned in a survey of 5,000 patients admitted they had resorted to self-treatment using pliers and glue, the UK's Press Association reported.

England has a two-tier dental care system with some dentists offering publicly subsidized treatment through the National Health Service and others performing more expensive private work.

But more than three-quarters of those polled said they had been forced to pay for private treatment because they had been unable to find an NHS dentist. Almost a fifth said they had refused dental treatment because of the cost.

Valerie Halsworth, 64, told British television's GMTV she had removed seven of her own teeth using her husband's pliers when her toothache became unbearable and she was unable to find an NHS dentist willing to treat her."
Brits resort to pulling own teeth - CNN.com

 

[Polishprince]

When pliers are an accouterments for healthcare.....this should be a clue:

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Some English people have resorted to pulling out their own teeth because they cannot find -- or cannot afford -- a dentist, a major study has revealed.

Six percent of those surveyed in an English study said they had resorted to dental "self-treatment."

Six percent of those questioned in a survey of 5,000 patients admitted they had resorted to self-treatment using pliers and glue, the UK's Press Association reported.

England has a two-tier dental care system with some dentists offering publicly subsidized treatment through the National Health Service and others performing more expensive private work.

But more than three-quarters of those polled said they had been forced to pay for private treatment because they had been unable to find an NHS dentist. Almost a fifth said they had refused dental treatment because of the cost.

Valerie Halsworth, 64, told British television's GMTV she had removed seven of her own teeth using her husband's pliers when her toothache became unbearable and she was unable to find an NHS dentist willing to treat her."
Brits resort to pulling own teeth - CNN.com

The half assed nature of British dental work has been the butt of jokes for many a moon. Although in the past, I don't think its been that difficult for the Brits to get their teeth pulled, it was the replacement which was a problem. Things have been going downhill even from their previous low point.

 

[22lcidw]

I'm not like you. Thank goodness.

You people exist in a freaking rabbit hole.

Here, Trumpster:

I'll be danged - Republicans may have it right on a health system!

I've been saying since I've been here that our (a) our health care "system" is insane, and (b) the ACA is a stupid pig of a law. Plenty of examples of those posts upon request. Then I point out that the Democrats were lying about "Medicare for All", when what they REALLY want is Single Payer...

www.usmessageboard.com

Whatever happens and it becomes a national thing, I am sure you will spout the costs to us all as it rises more and more as a percentage of our GDP. There will be limitations on medical care for each individual instituted eventually. No matter what is decided. This will bring more frugal ways of serving a patient.

 

[Resnic]

Insurance for all will speed up the crash of the us dollar because they will have to print more money that's backed by nothing and middle class will see a tax increase.

Then if everyone has free insurance getting a doctor appointment will take months due to overload. There won't be enough doctors to see everyone and when they do care will decline because they will run it like a assembly line getting everyone in and out as fast as possible.

Even setting something up like that will have a astronomical price tag attached to it.

Bernie never address what it takes to do something, what the realistic results will be something, the actual effects of actions will be, real world cost or any of that. He doesn't go any further than thinking "what can I say that will get people to like me?" Or throw out some insanely complex idea and act like it's really easy to do.

He runs on appealing to younger people by saying he will give them everything. He tells young people they need 28 bucks an hour to pour coffee at Starbucks, Walmart stockers need to unionize to fight the man, we all need free insurance, and that he was against millionaires and we should tax them to death until he became a millionaire and now he doesn't like billionaires, and so on. Bernie is just a old fraud saying whatever he can to get young people to like him.

 

[TNHarley]

A bunch of corrupt partisans that ruined healthcare in the first place controlling the entire market?
Sounds like a fairy tale.
Lets give the govt COMPLETE control over our lives. Its going to happen because America is full of entitled, lazy moochers any damn way. Might as well get it over now.

 

[PinktheFloyd88]

Medicare for All" is just a misleading name for the bill. Its really "Medicare for None".

…what?

 

[DGS49]

FWIW, I've been on Medicare for 7 years and I think it's great. I pay a couple hundred dollars a month for a "Supplement," but that would be lower for younger people.

But it's not free. If Bernie is willing to INCREASE THE MEDICARE PAYROLL TAX sufficiently to pay for "Medicare for Everyone," then it might be worth considering. It will not cut out the insurance companies, merely cause them to modify how they do business.

But one must keep in mind that a PAYROLL TAX, which is what would be required, is very "regressive," and is paid in the same percentage by people making MW and by Aaron Rodgers.

The statistics cited for "uninsured or underinsured" are total bullshit, as are the deaths related to a lack of insurance.

Ultimately one must keep in mind that Leftists are evil.

 

[Polishprince]

…what?

The MFA bill eliminates Medicare and replaces it with one of Crazy Bernie's risky schemes.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

obummer SET THE USA BACK 50 YEARS!

When you show these morons you pay 25k a yr before first dollar coverage, their clap traps close like a clam

Medicare for all????........We'll have to kill a few million here and there when they become too expensive

These GD people should be shot on sight to protect us

 

[MINDLESS]

When you show these morons you pay 25k a yr before first dollar coverage, their clap traps close like a clam

Medicare for all????........We'll have to kill a few million here and there when they become too expensive

These GD people should be shot on sight to protect us

I WILL BRING THE BLINDFOLDS AND CIGGYS

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

....and reduce the quality of American healthcare, at the same rate.

You think paying 25k before first dollar coverage on an Odummer plan sucks????......lololololol

 

[MINDLESS]

The half assed nature of British dental work has been the butt of jokes for many a moon. Although in the past, I don't think its been that difficult for the Brits to get their teeth pulled, it was the replacement which was a problem. Things have been going downhill even from their previous low point.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Orangecat]

health care is a human right that all americans, regardless of income, are entitled to

Incorrect. You have no right to someone else's earnings just because you're unhealthy.

 

[lennypartiv]

Oh great, we can be just like the Limeys.

 

[basquebromance]

Medicare for All supporter Andrea Salinas also appears to have defeated cryto-bro sponsored Carrick Flynn in OR-6.

Crypto billionaire Samuel Bankman-Fried's "Protect Our Future" PAC dropped over $12 million on the race -- to no avail.