CDZ Bereaved parents to be entitled to two weeks' paid leave from work

[flacaltenn]

It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here.

YOU brought up where the money came from.. Asserted that the WORKERS generated it all. But the fact is --- it's ALL NOT THEIRS TO ALLOCATE to any or all costs of doing business regardless of the SIZE of the company...

If YOU LIKE communes and Co-ops --- GO FUCKING START ONE or support them... But communes/co-ops never really mature and grow. Because they are STARVED from being competitive by "altruistic" romances....

This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.

Corporations and small business do a dang good job of compassion.. ESPECIALLY in tight labor markets where they have to COMPETE for the best employees... Under progressive/socialist policies you hardly EVER see a tight labor market with extreme employment numbers.. The object is to keep you fools from HOBBLING the free market enough to LET it prosper and work...

I got my 1st (major) employer to subsidize my 1st home when I moved to Silicon Valley.. Because NO ONE my age would EVER afford a home there without help... We had a Par Course, a company cabin in Lake Tahoe that slept 30 and a whole lot of pampering..

In the future, more SKILLED jobs will prevail.. And the future is SOON. And leadership should be looking at fixes for THAT KIND of labor market.. Not a 1922 model of what a "job" is or rigid definitions of positions or benefits...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here.

YOU brought up where the money came from.. Asserted that the WORKERS generated it all. But the fact is --- it's ALL NOT THEIRS TO ALLOCATE to any or all costs of doing business regardless of the SIZE of the company...

If YOU LIKE communes and Co-ops --- GO FUCKING START ONE or support them... But communes/co-ops never really mature and grow. Because they are STARVED from being competitive by "altruistic" romances....

This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.

Corporations and small business do a dang good job of compassion.. ESPECIALLY in tight labor markets where they have to COMPETE for the best employees... Under progressive/socialist policies you hardly EVER see a tight labor market with extreme employment numbers.. The object is to keep you fools from HOBBLING the free market enough to LET it prosper and work...

I got my 1st (major) employer to subsidize my 1st home when I moved to Silicon Valley.. Because NO ONE my age would EVER afford a home there without help... We had a Par Course, a company cabin in Lake Tahoe that slept 30 and a whole lot of pampering..

In the future, more SKILLED jobs will prevail.. And the future is SOON. And leadership should be looking at fixes for THAT KIND of labor market.. Not a 1922 model of what a "job" is or rigid definitions of positions or benefits...

I guess that because you are a moderator the rules on this forum do not apply to you.

I will bow out of this discussion due to your abusive bullshit.

But before I go I will point to a Co-operative that I am a member of.
About us
Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

My football club is also a co-operative and I own a share in it as is my local pub Saith Seren. Co-operatives thrive all over the world.

You seem to be hopelessly confused about benevolent employers. Indeed the example you quote supports my fact. They helped you because they were struggling to get help. That should register somewhere with you.

If you dont want to treat people with some compassion then just hold your hands up and admit it. Stop inventing facts to back it up.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

I read that to say you had truck shops 200 years ago tommy, is that the claim or am I misunderstanding you/it?

 

[Papageorgio]

It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here.

YOU brought up where the money came from.. Asserted that the WORKERS generated it all. But the fact is --- it's ALL NOT THEIRS TO ALLOCATE to any or all costs of doing business regardless of the SIZE of the company...

If YOU LIKE communes and Co-ops --- GO FUCKING START ONE or support them... But communes/co-ops never really mature and grow. Because they are STARVED from being competitive by "altruistic" romances....

This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.

Corporations and small business do a dang good job of compassion.. ESPECIALLY in tight labor markets where they have to COMPETE for the best employees... Under progressive/socialist policies you hardly EVER see a tight labor market with extreme employment numbers.. The object is to keep you fools from HOBBLING the free market enough to LET it prosper and work...

I got my 1st (major) employer to subsidize my 1st home when I moved to Silicon Valley.. Because NO ONE my age would EVER afford a home there without help... We had a Par Course, a company cabin in Lake Tahoe that slept 30 and a whole lot of pampering..

In the future, more SKILLED jobs will prevail.. And the future is SOON. And leadership should be looking at fixes for THAT KIND of labor market.. Not a 1922 model of what a "job" is or rigid definitions of positions or benefits...

I guess that because you are a moderator the rules on this forum do not apply to you.

I will bow out of this discussion due to your abusive bullshit.

But before I go I will point to a Co-operative that I am a member of.
About us
Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

My football club is also a co-operative and I own a share in it as is my local pub Saith Seren. Co-operatives thrive all over the world.

You seem to be hopelessly confused about benevolent employers. Indeed the example you quote supports my fact. They helped you because they were struggling to get help. That should register somewhere with you.

If you dont want to treat people with some compassion then just hold your hands up and admit it. Stop inventing facts to back it up.

Truck shops were owned by factories since 1820, so they formed a co-op? Is there a different origin for trucks that I am missing?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

I read that to say you had truck shops 200 years ago tommy, is that the claim or am I misunderstanding you/it?

The big employers, mine owners and such paid staff in tokens which were only legal tender in company owned shops which were called "truck shops". Laws were passed against this exploitation and people were then paid in cash. The Co-op movement came in on the back of this and gave people a choice.
You couldnt actually buy trucks there.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The big employers, mine owners and such paid staff in tokens which were only legal tender in company owned shops which were called "truck shops". Laws were passed against this exploitation and people were then paid in cash. The Co-op movement came in on the back of this and gave people a choice.
You couldnt actually buy trucks there.

OK, got it, we called them "company stores"...if you had used quotes originally for "truck shops" I would have recognized the term as having another meaning.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The big employers, mine owners and such paid staff in tokens which were only legal tender in company owned shops which were called "truck shops". Laws were passed against this exploitation and people were then paid in cash. The Co-op movement came in on the back of this and gave people a choice.
You couldnt actually buy trucks there.

OK, got it, we called them "company stores"...if you had used quotes originally for "truck shops" I would have recognized the term as having another meaning.

Company scrip - Wikipedia
Used in lumber camps and mining towns.

Also known as tally shops in the UK. Another phrase for robbing people.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

How much time off for the loss of a beloved pet that was a member of the family.

 

[percysunshine]

Tommy has just been elected, by popular demand, to run every human life in the United Kingdom.

 

[martybegan]

Good for old England.. Keep up the great work...

I've got to tell ya tho -- from sad personal experiences, that where you NEED "grievance pay" is losing a spouse or a parent.. Because it's ridiculously easy to bury and mourn a child compared to the LOSS of support from a spouse OR the govt/corporate hassles of handling estate matters, relocating and caring for a surviving parent.. This process approaches a FULL TIME JOB for MONTHS....

So expect ye Jolly Olde Taxes to go up, excuses to made and some embarrassment as your lemming leadership figures out they've open another hole in hull of the HMS Progressive.. And soon any citizen with a dead pet is included...

Well I dont see the connection between a dead dog and a dead child.
But this is not paid for by taxation so I think you might be confused. Going back 10 years or so my last employer gave me a weeks bereavement leave in my contract. This is ensuring that all employees enjoy the same treatment.

It isn’t free, someone does pay and it is forced. More government less freedom.

Its paid for by employers from cash generated by the staff they are looking after. Where is the problem ? It doesnt seem to be any different to the health insurance that your employers offer to their workers.

The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that. Then progressives come up with more and more things employers have to subsidize, maternity leave, paternity leave, other forms of leave, forms of insurance, etc, and sooner or later costs go up, or they will be forced to get more work out of less people.

"The problem becomes is it adds another cost to having a person working for you, and an unpredictable cost at that."

Well I would not care about that extra cost, I would be understanding and have the greatest compassion for them and would be prepared to do what I can to help them in any way possible.

There is the issue of people being forced to care via law.

 

[martybegan]

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

If you think a judge is going to side with the govt just because they are employed by the govt you have a lot to learn about the British psyche...

The old british psyche or the current milquetoast one?

 

[Dr Grump]

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

If you think a judge is going to side with the govt just because they are employed by the govt you have a lot to learn about the British psyche...

The old british psyche or the current milquetoast one?

The British psyche has never been feeble. Just a myth created on your side of the Atlantic by neocon whackadoodles, whereby they believe the British are 'soft' on immigration and Muslim sharia law and all the other BS that allows the smug US conservative to sleep well at night.

 

[martybegan]

Suing the government in government courts.....

Yep.

If you think a judge is going to side with the govt just because they are employed by the govt you have a lot to learn about the British psyche...

The old british psyche or the current milquetoast one?

The British psyche has never been feeble. Just a myth created on your side of the Atlantic by neocon whackadoodles, whereby they believe the British are 'soft' on immigration and Muslim sharia law and all the other BS that allows the smug US conservative to sleep well at night.

Yet they talk about banning Steak Knives....

Steak Knives.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yet they talk about banning Steak Knives....

Steak Knives.

People say a lot of things...all the time.

 

[flacaltenn]

Tommy has just been elected, by popular demand, to run every human life in the United Kingdom.

Maybe only every life in Cotswold... Giving him a larger kingdom would be very frightening..

 

[martybegan]

Yet they talk about banning Steak Knives....

Steak Knives.

People say a lot of things...all the time.

I don't see Steak Knife bans being proposed amongst the former colonials.

 

[CowboyTed]

It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here.

YOU brought up where the money came from.. Asserted that the WORKERS generated it all. But the fact is --- it's ALL NOT THEIRS TO ALLOCATE to any or all costs of doing business regardless of the SIZE of the company...

If YOU LIKE communes and Co-ops --- GO FUCKING START ONE or support them... But communes/co-ops never really mature and grow. Because they are STARVED from being competitive by "altruistic" romances....

This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.

Corporations and small business do a dang good job of compassion.. ESPECIALLY in tight labor markets where they have to COMPETE for the best employees... Under progressive/socialist policies you hardly EVER see a tight labor market with extreme employment numbers.. The object is to keep you fools from HOBBLING the free market enough to LET it prosper and work...

I got my 1st (major) employer to subsidize my 1st home when I moved to Silicon Valley.. Because NO ONE my age would EVER afford a home there without help... We had a Par Course, a company cabin in Lake Tahoe that slept 30 and a whole lot of pampering..

In the future, more SKILLED jobs will prevail.. And the future is SOON. And leadership should be looking at fixes for THAT KIND of labor market.. Not a 1922 model of what a "job" is or rigid definitions of positions or benefits...

I guess that because you are a moderator the rules on this forum do not apply to you.

I will bow out of this discussion due to your abusive bullshit.

But before I go I will point to a Co-operative that I am a member of.
About us
Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

My football club is also a co-operative and I own a share in it as is my local pub Saith Seren. Co-operatives thrive all over the world.

You seem to be hopelessly confused about benevolent employers. Indeed the example you quote supports my fact. They helped you because they were struggling to get help. That should register somewhere with you.

If you dont want to treat people with some compassion then just hold your hands up and admit it. Stop inventing facts to back it up.

Tommy,

Your position is a hundred percent right... For companies that offer it makes no difference and companies that don't care because you are just pricks....

Look at this article from the weekend...

'Cuddle your children whenever you get a chance': Father's tribute to children found dead in Dublin

Do you expect this man to perform a job?

I will also point out there is a huge financial burden of children who die from conditions like Cancer...

I don't really care about companies that don't show compassion in this position.

For the ones that say we are forcing companies to pay.. How about full disclosure?

Any company that doesn't do this should have to place in everyone of there advertisements as a kind of health warning. Give everyone the option to shop somewhere else.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It isnt a set figure and in any case is not relevant to the argument here.

YOU brought up where the money came from.. Asserted that the WORKERS generated it all. But the fact is --- it's ALL NOT THEIRS TO ALLOCATE to any or all costs of doing business regardless of the SIZE of the company...

If YOU LIKE communes and Co-ops --- GO FUCKING START ONE or support them... But communes/co-ops never really mature and grow. Because they are STARVED from being competitive by "altruistic" romances....

This is about treating people as human beings who have feelings and needs. That should be factored in to corporate thinking but isnt in many cases.

Corporations and small business do a dang good job of compassion.. ESPECIALLY in tight labor markets where they have to COMPETE for the best employees... Under progressive/socialist policies you hardly EVER see a tight labor market with extreme employment numbers.. The object is to keep you fools from HOBBLING the free market enough to LET it prosper and work...

I got my 1st (major) employer to subsidize my 1st home when I moved to Silicon Valley.. Because NO ONE my age would EVER afford a home there without help... We had a Par Course, a company cabin in Lake Tahoe that slept 30 and a whole lot of pampering..

In the future, more SKILLED jobs will prevail.. And the future is SOON. And leadership should be looking at fixes for THAT KIND of labor market.. Not a 1922 model of what a "job" is or rigid definitions of positions or benefits...

I guess that because you are a moderator the rules on this forum do not apply to you.

I will bow out of this discussion due to your abusive bullshit.

But before I go I will point to a Co-operative that I am a member of.
About us
Its nearly 200 years old and active in every community in the UK. It grew out of opposition to truck shops which were owned by the factory owners and designed to screw the working man out of his meagre wages.

My football club is also a co-operative and I own a share in it as is my local pub Saith Seren. Co-operatives thrive all over the world.

You seem to be hopelessly confused about benevolent employers. Indeed the example you quote supports my fact. They helped you because they were struggling to get help. That should register somewhere with you.

If you dont want to treat people with some compassion then just hold your hands up and admit it. Stop inventing facts to back it up.

Tommy,

Your position is a hundred percent right... For companies that offer it makes no difference and companies that don't care because you are just pricks....

Look at this article from the weekend...

'Cuddle your children whenever you get a chance': Father's tribute to children found dead in Dublin

Do you expect this man to perform a job?

I will also point out there is a huge financial burden of children who die from conditions like Cancer...

I don't really care about companies that don't show compassion in this position.

For the ones that say we are forcing companies to pay.. How about full disclosure?

Any company that doesn't do this should have to place in everyone of there advertisements as a kind of health warning. Give everyone the option to shop somewhere else.

Its an interesting point. Companies are keen to advertise that they are fairtrade. Maybe there should be benchmarks on how they treat their staff, the environment and so on.

New 'Jack’s Law' legal right to paid parental bereavement leave announced

This is the article about how it came about. The father was given 3 days, one of which was the funeral, after his son died. There are other stories about people having to take holidays and sick leave.Interestingly the Head of the CBI, the Employers organisation, welcomed the law.

“The loss of any child is unimaginably difficult. Offering this flexibility to bereaved parents is something businesses absolutely welcome. Giving time for families to grieve without the worry of what’s going on at work is fundamental.”

So where is the problem ?

nb - I saw the headlines about those children but I just couldnt read the report. Unimagineable.