Ben Carson: Liar? Or just a Hack?

[Synthaholic]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."




But in 2012:



"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

 

[Synthaholic]

I'll say Hack.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I say hitpiece.

And I bet you pulled that very last quote out of context.

 

[Synthaholic]

I say hitpiece.

And I bet you pulled that very last quote out of context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqkFPc9jPgg

Here's the whole thing:

CARSON: It's not terribly surprising. Because if you read Saul Alinsky's book Rules For Radicals, it talks about the need to ridicule. It also talks about never having a real conversation with your adversary because that humanizes them, and your job is the demonize them. And therefore we see people coming out and saying about those who oppose Obamacare, for instance, that they want older people to die, that they want kids to be deprived of food. You know, all these things are just straight out of the text. And what's really interesting is, you know, Vladimir Lenin, one of the founders of socialism and communism, he said socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state. In other words, you've got to get the socialized medicine as the foundation because it gives you control of the people. Once you have control of them, you can do what you want.


What is not in context?

I still vote Hack. He obviously believes in a not for profit insurance system. The man is old enough that he didn't change his beliefs in just the last couple of years.

He's shillin' for the extreme fringe - and that makes him unacceptable as a leader.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'll say Hack.

I guess you haven't figured out yet that most here don't care what your conclusion is.

Typical head in the sand lib.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."




But in 2012:



"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

Let me guess, you think he contradicted himself.

 

[R.D.]

I say hitpiece.

And I bet you pulled that very last quote out of context.

Of course he did. In that piece and always he has advocated Regulate insurance companies as non-profit services

Obviously, there is an inefficiency issue which is going on here. What do you need for good health? You need a patient and a health care provider. Along came a middle man to facilitate the relationship. Now, the middle has become the principal entity with the patient and the health care provider at its beck and call. The entire thing is completely out of control. The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. “I deny that you need care and I will make more money”. This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies

 

[TemplarKormac]

Moreover, he was commenting on what needed to be done to streamline the U.S. Healthcare system and make it more efficient. He suggested making the government responsible for catastrophic care, not all other forms of care as the Affordable Care Act purports to do. That's it. He knows, he's been in the medical field for decades. This actually shows he cares more about the patients than he does about the bureaucracy surrounding healthcare.

Dr. B.C. The first thing that we have to recognize is that in the US we spend twice as much per capita for health care as the next closest nation. Again, like in the education system, it is not a question of not putting enough money into it. Obviously, there is an inefficiency issue which is going on here. What do you need for good health? You need a patient and a health care provider. Along came a middle man to facilitate the relationship. Now, the middle has become the principal entity with the patient and the health care provider at its beck and call. The entire thing is completely out of control. The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. “I deny that you need care and I will make more money”. This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care. The fact that a fraction of the American population has no health care insurance creates a situation in which some end up in emergency rooms, which results in even greater expenses for the US. If insurance companies are responsible only for routine health care, you are able to predict how much money they are going to need, which facilitates regulations. For instance, if we didn’t regulate utilities nobody could afford electricity or water. You can’t depend on the goodness of people’s hearts, particularly when you’re dealing with something which is essential. The other point is billings and collections, which constitute a huge portion of the cost. This could easily be done electronically.

 

[Katzndogz]

Only Harry Reid never lies.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I say hitpiece.

And I bet you pulled that very last quote out of context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqkFPc9jPgg

Here's the whole thing:

CARSON: It's not terribly surprising. Because if you read Saul Alinsky's book Rules For Radicals, it talks about the need to ridicule. It also talks about never having a real conversation with your adversary because that humanizes them, and your job is the demonize them. And therefore we see people coming out and saying about those who oppose Obamacare, for instance, that they want older people to die, that they want kids to be deprived of food. You know, all these things are just straight out of the text. And what's really interesting is, you know, Vladimir Lenin, one of the founders of socialism and communism, he said socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state. In other words, you've got to get the socialized medicine as the foundation because it gives you control of the people. Once you have control of them, you can do what you want.


What is not in context?

I still vote Hack. He obviously believes in a not for profit insurance system. The man is old enough that he didn't change his beliefs in just the last couple of years.

He's shillin' for the extreme fringe - and that makes him unacceptable as a leader.

You're kidding right? He was warning against socialized medicine! Why are you twisting his words, Synth? How dishonest can you be? He is not advocating socialized medicine. Moreover, he's using Saul Alinsky as an example of how Democrats are/were pushing Obamacare. Stop cherrypicking.

 

[Stephanie]

when you go through school to become a DR. of anything, let us know... until then look in a mirror to see a hack...you people are so small minded and your intolerance of others shine bright every day

worthless and nothing but hate

 

[Uncensored2008]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."




But in 2012:



"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

Burning a cross on Dr. Carson's lawn, Synthia?

Kind of what we expect from you...

 

[TruthSeeker56]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."

But in 2012:

"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

You get back on that PLANTATION, Ben Carson!

And don't you LEAVE that plantation until you are ready to vote for DEMOCRATS!

Us Democrats can't have no negroes expressing independent thoughts that we don't approve of!

 

[Plasmaball]

I say hitpiece.

And I bet you pulled that very last quote out of context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqkFPc9jPgg

you didnt read the link did you. There is no hit piece you moron.

P.T. The health field in the US represents 1/7 of the economy in this country. 21% of health costs go to paperwork (at least 294.3 billion $ per year). It has been like that for years and we are not even talking about treating people. In 1996, you wrote an article about health care reform in the Harvard Journal of Minority Public Health. As a physician, what do you think needs to be corrected to make the health care system more efficient in the US?

Dr. B.C. The first thing that we have to recognise is that in the US we spend twice as much per capita for health care as the next closest nation. Again, like in the education system, it is not a question of not putting enough money into it. Obviously, there is an inefficiency issue which is going on here. What do you need for good health? You need a patient and a health care provider. Along came a middle man to facilitate the relationship. Now, the middle has become the principal entity with the patient and the health care provider at its beck and call. The entire thing is completely out of control. The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. “I deny that you need care and I will make more money”. This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care. The fact that a fraction of the American population has no health care insurance creates a situation in which some end up in emergency rooms, which results in even greater expenses for the US. If insurance companies are responsible only for routine health care, you are able to predict how much money they are going to need, which facilitates regulations. For instance, if we didn’t regulate utilities nobody could afford electricity or water. You can’t depend on the goodness of people’s hearts, particularly when you’re dealing with something which is essential. The other point is billings and collections, which constitute a huge portion of the cost. This could easily be done electronically.

damn he barely avoided that question! How dare he answer a reasonable question with a reasonable answer.

Instead you give a video that is well stupid.

 

[Plasmaball]

when you go through school to become a DR. of anything, let us know... until then look in a mirror to see a hack...you people are so small minded and your intolerance of others shine bright every day

worthless and nothing but hate

hey look Steph added nothing to the conversation again..

Just said people are hateful for the 1000th time....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."

But in 2012:

"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

You get back on that PLANTATION, Ben Carson!

And don't you LEAVE that plantation until you are ready to vote for DEMOCRATS!

Us Democrats can't have no negroes expressing independent thoughts that we don't approve of!

LBJ would say that Carson is getting "uppity"

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[westwall]

I think a better question is can synth ever make a honest post about anything?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Synthaholic: Liar or just a hack?

 

[deltex1]

In a 2009 interview with Mega Diversities, Carson said "the entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense," going on to argue that "the first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies."

Carson added, "We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care."




But in 2012:



"socialized medicine is the keystone of the arch to the socialist state"

He can fix your brain...if you had one.

 

[Plasmaball]

wait it gets better:

P.T. About 50 million people in the US are uninsured for health care. What solutions do you see to make health care accessible to every American citizen? Do you think that your Benevolent Endowment Network Fund could be a model to make health care accessible nationwide? What kind of universal health care plan should the government create?

Dr. B.C. The concept of endowment for health care is not called the Benevolent Endowment Network Fund anymore. Now, it is called Angels of the OR. The idea was to create an endowment large enough that could take the interest from it and pay for people who are not insured. We are talking about 1/7 of the economy which is huge and it concerns people. If you have enough discipline to put aside ten percent a year for about 15 years, you would have an effective answer of the high cost of health care. With the interest gained on that ten percent over 15 years, it would help an enormous amount of people financially. I believe that if this discipline would continue for a total of 25 years, everybody would be covered. First of all, going back to that 50 million people who are uninsured, we have to be careful with that number since it doesn’t take into account people who are in between jobs or temporarily out work. The situation is unacceptable and some measures have to be put in place. However, we have to keep in mind that those people can go to the emergency room and they will be taken care of. The problem is that it costs five times more than it costs in a clinic. We need to be wise about this issue. We are paying for those people regardless, and five times more. So the government needs to find a way to make those people go to the clinics. The manner to do that is to create a program where they would get a monthly allocation for health care like our food stamps program. People will learn how to use those allocations effectively. They know how to do it with the food stamps. Instead of spending their monthly allocation at the emergency, they will use it more effectively by going to the clinic. Someone who is diabetic for instance will have his condition under control if he goes to the clinic. He won’t end up at the emergency. That way we will save a lot of money by looking at preventive health care. The uniformity of the electronic billing system will also help the situation. I could add that the government will have to be responsible for the inefficient health care system and take required measures. I think it is a waste to throw another trillion dollars into an inefficient health care system.

OMG he almost took the bait on this question!

bwhahahahahahahaha......hit piece...while what temp said is fucking retarded, the doc has a few good ideas.