Believe and be saved

[kjw47]

All God asks is that you believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. All one need do is pray to God for guidance.

Believing is the first of many things a mortal must do to be saved. As Jesus showed all of us at Matt 7:21-23--- these believe yet it did them no good--so other things apply as well.

So if I'm made in god's image, then he doesn't believe that Jesus was his son. No proof.

In Gods image = the ability to love and reason.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The first step is to believe in Jesus as your savior. After that you have other things to do.

As for why we can be saved after death it is simple, once the Day of judgement occurs all the dead will be called forth from the grave and receive new bodies.

One can not practice sin and be saved so the idea that you can ask for forgiveness at the end and be saved is flawed.

 

[Avatar4321]

Believing is the first of many things a mortal must do to be saved. As Jesus showed all of us at Matt 7:21-23--- these believe yet it did them no good--so other things apply as well.

So if I'm made in god's image, then he doesn't believe that Jesus was his son. No proof.

In Gods image = the ability to love and reason.

We are literally in the image of God.

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:2)

 

[Chuckt]

The first step is to believe in Jesus as your savior. After that you have other things to do.

As for why we can be saved after death it is simple, once the Day of judgement occurs all the dead will be called forth from the grave and receive new bodies.

One can not practice sin and be saved so the idea that you can ask for forgiveness at the end and be saved is flawed.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Saved from what exactly? Death? If that were true what are graveyards for? Everything that is, eventually isn't. And if believing in JC is all that's required to have everlasting life, how do you explain the long history of human kind living and dying? If everyone that believed never died, where are they all?

And for the record, G-d doesn't ask us to believe in JC. The authors of the NT texts do. Because Yeshua was Jewish, and teaching Judaism, believing that somehow numerous basic tenets of Judaism suddenly changed and this new fella was another Moses requires an ignorance of what had already ben written. Namely numerous verses stating G-d's Laws remain in effect forever.

When Jesus said in John 6:29, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

it was a reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, 19,

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will convey all of my commands. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. "


And Jesus did teach obedience to the laws of God in exact same way that Moses originally taught to follow the law that has been lost to time ever since the death of Moses as he himself stated would occur.


"For I know that after my death you will turn aside from the way that I taught you to follow." Deuteronomy 31:29

This shows two things. First , there was a particular way to follow the law that the people would turn away from, and, what had become a thousand year tradition of following a literal interpretation of the law, sacrificing farm animals in a temple, obsessing over diet and fashion, mutilating penises, etc., was the wrong way to follow the law (as if that was hard to believe) by the time Jesus appeared to straighten things out, "make straight the way of the Lord."

So what had become obsolete was the wrong way to interpret and apply the law not the law itself. The law itself had been restored to its original meaning and purpose and the promise of eternal life was brought within reach for all those who could accept the divine revelation that Jesus was sent by God to teach, that the meaning of the words used in the law were figurative in nature and the subjects hidden, hence "eat my flesh.", a direct reference to Kosher law.


" the kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."

You write some very thought provoking posts, Hobelim.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The first step is to believe in Jesus as your savior. After that you have other things to do.

As for why we can be saved after death it is simple, once the Day of judgement occurs all the dead will be called forth from the grave and receive new bodies.

One can not practice sin and be saved so the idea that you can ask for forgiveness at the end and be saved is flawed.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

God knows your thoughts. If you honestly repent at the end it saves you, if as was done here you announce you will continue to practice sin till the end and then try to repent God knows that.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

*yawn*

I am not convincing you in anything - I don't care what you beleive.

it is YOU who intrudes into my conversation with others with YOUR beleifs. Which are totally wrong, btw, but if they make you happy - who cares?

Vox,

It is a public forum. If you want privacy, use email.

Chuck

then stop lying I am trying to convince YOU in anything - as it is YOU who can't live without jabbing with your "faith only" beleifs all the time.

For whatever it is worth, Vox, I believe you're right. The bible says without holiness no one will see the LORD. Then there is the story about the Publican who dared not to lift his eyes to heaven but cried out for mercy. There was no shadow of arrogance in him - he was broken... a broken and contrite heart G-d will not despise but believing you can live any way you want because you once said the sinners prayer doesn't make sense to me. I don't get it. The world isn't fooled by this hypocrisy and neither should we be. - Jeri

 

[GibsonSG]

I'm waiting for the last possible second before I die to repent. There's no reason to do it sooner.

Interesting plan. So what day and time are you going to die?

And how do you intend to change what you are doing in your life within one second?

A Hell's Angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

 

[GibsonSG]

it's going to be way too late

Ok, how about if I wait until I see Jesus' return being covered on CNN, then I'll repent?

You realize the earth is supposed to be on fire when Christ returns, right?

Then I'll need some marshmallows, won't I?

 

[GISMYS]

WE ARE ALL ONE BREATH AWAY FROM ETERNITY! THINK! MIGHT TODAY BE YOUR LAST DAY ???? Every day of our lives, we live one breath away from eternity. The most important question of life is: Am I ready to meet God?

If you are not, and you wish to acknowledge God as your Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, just pray this simple prayer and you’ll become a member of the family of God, with heaven as your eternal home.

Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and need your forgiveness. I believe that Jesus died for my sins. I am willing to turn away from my sin and live a godly life. I now invite Jesus Christ into my heart as my Lord and Savior. I am willing, with God’s help, from this day forward to follow Christ as Lord of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.

At this moment, you have discovered the ultimate secret of being happy in an unhappy world. It’s knowing that God is your heavenly Father, that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, and that heaven is your eternal home!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

That is the point. My faith isn't enough but it is Jesus who paid the penalty for me. When I put my faith in Him (Jesus), He does the works for me.

Your works isn't enough because of James 2:10 (see above).

You broke the law of God so what you're telling me is worthless to me. You can't convince me that your works are enough to get to heaven when you can't change yourself.

*yawn*

I am not convincing you in anything - I don't care what you beleive.

it is YOU who intrudes into my conversation with others with YOUR beleifs. Which are totally wrong, btw, but if they make you happy - who cares?

Vox,

It is a public forum. If you want privacy, use email.

Chuck

Love is not rude either, Chuck.

 

[pacer]

We can't do anything but "pretend" because the power is not our own. The power belongs to God. He saves us; not us. If you don't rest on His power then you don't get it.

You say you cannot do anything but "pretend". So, that makes you a "meta-atheist", according to Philosopher, Georges Rey.

"This assertion does not itself reflect any view on whether God actually exists. It is instead about whether people believe that God exists. The philosopher Georges Rey aptly refers to the claim that they don't as "meta-atheism.""

Andrew Pessin: Do Religious People Really Believe in God?

Here's an excerpt from a paper written by Georges Rey you may be interested in reading:

Meta-Atheism - Religious avowal as self-deception

"I began to wonder whether anyone really did believe in God.

Well, obviously lots of people claim to, and seem to live and sometimes die for such beliefs. It's certainly risky for me to second-guess them on that score just because of some bad arguments--after all, don't people know what they themselves believe, and ordinarily believe what they sincerely avow, whether or not their arguments are any good? Maybe not. People seem to be susceptible to all manner of ignorance, confusion and often deeply motivated distortions of their own psychological lives. Indeed, my interest in the present topic stems in part from my interest in the quite general discrepancies that seem to me and others to arise between the things people sincerely say – or, as I shall say, “avow”– and what, according to objective evidence of their states and behavior, they actually believe.2"

http://philosophytalk.typepad.com/blog/files/MetaAtheism.pdf

 

[hobelim]

Saved from what exactly? Death? If that were true what are graveyards for? Everything that is, eventually isn't. And if believing in JC is all that's required to have everlasting life, how do you explain the long history of human kind living and dying? If everyone that believed never died, where are they all?

And for the record, G-d doesn't ask us to believe in JC. The authors of the NT texts do. Because Yeshua was Jewish, and teaching Judaism, believing that somehow numerous basic tenets of Judaism suddenly changed and this new fella was another Moses requires an ignorance of what had already ben written. Namely numerous verses stating G-d's Laws remain in effect forever.

When Jesus said in John 6:29, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

it was a reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, 19,

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will convey all of my commands. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. "


And Jesus did teach obedience to the laws of God in exact same way that Moses originally taught to follow the law that has been lost to time ever since the death of Moses as he himself stated would occur.


"For I know that after my death you will turn aside from the way that I taught you to follow." Deuteronomy 31:29

This shows two things. First , there was a particular way to follow the law that the people would turn away from, and, what had become a thousand year tradition of following a literal interpretation of the law, sacrificing farm animals in a temple, obsessing over diet and fashion, mutilating penises, etc., was the wrong way to follow the law (as if that was hard to believe) by the time Jesus appeared to straighten things out, "make straight the way of the Lord."

So what had become obsolete was the wrong way to interpret and apply the law not the law itself. The law itself had been restored to its original meaning and purpose and the promise of eternal life was brought within reach for all those who could accept the divine revelation that Jesus was sent by God to teach, that the meaning of the words used in the law were figurative in nature and the subjects hidden, hence "eat my flesh.", a direct reference to Kosher law.


" the kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."

You write some very thought provoking posts, Hobelim.

Thanks Jeri. To me its not about whether you or I am right, its about what is the only way to interpret scripture that resolves the contradictions between Jewish and Christian beliefs and the contradictions between what is written in scripture and reality that proves Jesus right.

All the pieces fit perfectly.

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm waiting for the last possible second before I die to repent. There's no reason to do it sooner.

Interesting plan. So what day and time are you going to die?

And how do you intend to change what you are doing in your life within one second?

A Hell's Angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

Doesn't answer the question.

 

[GibsonSG]

Interesting plan. So what day and time are you going to die?

And how do you intend to change what you are doing in your life within one second?

A Hell's Angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

Doesn't answer the question.

I already have it in my head that I'm going to repent one second before I die, so god already knows and accepts my plan.

 

[GISMYS]

a hell's angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

doesn't answer the question.

i already have it in my head that i'm going to repent one second before i die, so god already knows and accepts my plan.

think again!!! God knows your thoughts even before you can think them,you have no chance to fool or play games with god!!!

 

[Vox]

I'm waiting for the last possible second before I die to repent. There's no reason to do it sooner.

Interesting plan. So what day and time are you going to die?

And how do you intend to change what you are doing in your life within one second?

A Hell's Angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

A Hells Angel might have had tons of good works under his belt as well.

 

[Vox]

A Hell's Angel was gunned down, so at his funeral in a church, the reporter asked the priest how he could give him a church funeral service if he was such a bad man. The priest replied that the guy may have repented a fraction of a second before he died.

Doesn't answer the question.

I already have it in my head that I'm going to repent one second before I die, so god already knows and accepts my plan.

or not

 

[GISMYS]

Doesn't answer the question.

I already have it in my head that I'm going to repent one second before I die, so god already knows and accepts my plan.

or not

WHY POST MORE IGNORANCE!!!?? NO little MAN CAN FOOL OR PLAY GAMES WITH GOD. GOD KNOWS YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN THINK THEM!!

 

[Vox]

I already have it in my head that I'm going to repent one second before I die, so god already knows and accepts my plan.

or not

WHY POST MORE IGNORANCE!!!?? NO little MAN CAN FOOL OR PLAY GAMES WITH GOD. GOD KNOWS YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN THINK THEM!!

and you think God accepts this little cheating on the part of Gibson?
Think again.