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Because the political spectrum is so fluid, how can anyone agree on where the center is?

Billy000

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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.
 

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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.

We have a full spectrum populace where there is no center because there is no upper or lower limit. I steer by car between the ditches which makes me middle of the road.
 

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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
 

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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.


It's pretty simple, if you support a government that is ran by the Constitution as written, you are pretty much in the center. Damn shame that is a minority view in the country now. Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.


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Liberals control White House and Donald Trump now..

Steve Bannon (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme ) may or may not be a popular person in Donald Trump’s (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme 58%) inner circle. His departure will still be seen as a major disappointment to Trump’s base. Trump is right that he might have probably won without Bannon since Bannon joined his campaign at a much later stage. Despite winning a conservative electorate, Trump seems to be increasingly controlled by the liberals. In essence, Trump has given up the control of his administration to those liberals who lost the election.
It’s casting a doubt whether Trump is still “the fighter” that he once was. A leader like Trump seems to be succumbing the storm that liberals bring on him every day. Unless Trump and Bannon are in agreement that Bannon would serve America First Agenda more effectively by remaining outside the Administration, Bannon’s departure is the biggest disappointment for people who voted for Trump. It would be terrible for the American people and Trump if Trump is eventually becoming a politician – promising big changes, removing the very people who believe in “The Agenda” the most and delivering nothing.


Read more at Ash Shrivastav – Born to do some amazing things by World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme
 

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Bannon is probably more valuable to Trump on the outside.
 

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Liberals control White House and Donald Trump now..

Steve Bannon (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme ) may or may not be a popular person in Donald Trump’s (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme 58%) inner circle. His departure will still be seen as a major disappointment to Trump’s base. Trump is right that he might have probably won without Bannon since Bannon joined his campaign at a much later stage. Despite winning a conservative electorate, Trump seems to be increasingly controlled by the liberals. In essence, Trump has given up the control of his administration to those liberals who lost the election.
It’s casting a doubt whether Trump is still “the fighter” that he once was. A leader like Trump seems to be succumbing the storm that liberals bring on him every day. Unless Trump and Bannon are in agreement that Bannon would serve America First Agenda more effectively by remaining outside the Administration, Bannon’s departure is the biggest disappointment for people who voted for Trump. It would be terrible for the American people and Trump if Trump is eventually becoming a politician – promising big changes, removing the very people who believe in “The Agenda” the most and delivering nothing.


Read more at Ash Shrivastav – Born to do some amazing things by World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme

I see you joined USMB today and Welcome Aboard. All input is appreciated on USMB and it takes an Act of Congress to get booted. I should have been booted when I first joined but toned down my rhetoric.
 

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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
How,many times should I be called a libtard or a demonrat or a snowflake before I can determine that the tactics you are criticizing are not exclusive to the Left?
 

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Liberals control White House and Donald Trump now..

Steve Bannon (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme ) may or may not be a popular person in Donald Trump’s (World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme 58%) inner circle. His departure will still be seen as a major disappointment to Trump’s base. Trump is right that he might have probably won without Bannon since Bannon joined his campaign at a much later stage. Despite winning a conservative electorate, Trump seems to be increasingly controlled by the liberals. In essence, Trump has given up the control of his administration to those liberals who lost the election.
It’s casting a doubt whether Trump is still “the fighter” that he once was. A leader like Trump seems to be succumbing the storm that liberals bring on him every day. Unless Trump and Bannon are in agreement that Bannon would serve America First Agenda more effectively by remaining outside the Administration, Bannon’s departure is the biggest disappointment for people who voted for Trump. It would be terrible for the American people and Trump if Trump is eventually becoming a politician – promising big changes, removing the very people who believe in “The Agenda” the most and delivering nothing.


Read more at Ash Shrivastav – Born to do some amazing things by World's first peer-reviewed online network | Callitme

I see you joined USMB today and Welcome Aboard. All input is appreciated on USMB and it takes an Act of Congress to get booted. I should have been booted when I first joined but toned down my rhetoric.



...that and you're supposed to introduce yourself first.
 

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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
How,many times should I be called a libtard or a demonrat or a snowflake before I can determine that the tactics you are criticizing are not exclusive to the Left?
How many riots have you seen from the right? Any looting? Any defecating on police cars? Shooting Congressmen playing baseball? Dragging people out of cars and beating them because they had a Hillary bumper sticker? THOSE tactics are pretty exclusive to the left.
 

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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
How,many times should I be called a libtard or a demonrat or a snowflake before I can determine that the tactics you are criticizing are not exclusive to the Left?
How many riots have you seen from the right? Any looting? Any defecating on police cars? Shooting Congressmen playing baseball? Dragging people out of cars and beating them because they had a Hillary bumper sticker? THOSE tactics are pretty exclusive to the left.
Firebombing churches and women's clinics and government buildings? Shooting up prayer groups and political rallies? Assassinating OB/GYNs at their breakfast table or talk show hosts in their driveways?

How civil, how utterly angelic is the Right!
 
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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
How,many times should I be called a libtard or a demonrat or a snowflake before I can determine that the tactics you are criticizing are not exclusive to the Left?
How many riots have you seen from the right? Any looting? Any defecating on police cars? Shooting Congressmen playing baseball? Dragging people out of cars and beating them because they had a Hillary bumper sticker? THOSE tactics are pretty exclusive to the left.
Yeah, the right prefers to blow up federal buildings with fertilizer bombs, plow into crowds with cars, and gun down doctors at church.
 

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There is no center any more. The left attacks anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with them. Their use of violence against those who disagree with them is becoming more and more frequent. How can you have a middle when anyone to the right of them (even slightly) is attacked, demonized, and ridiculed by them, including the media? Show me a moderate Democrat and I'll show you a FORMER Democrat.
How,many times should I be called a libtard or a demonrat or a snowflake before I can determine that the tactics you are criticizing are not exclusive to the Left?
How many riots have you seen from the right? Any looting? Any defecating on police cars? Shooting Congressmen playing baseball? Dragging people out of cars and beating them because they had a Hillary bumper sticker? THOSE tactics are pretty exclusive to the left.
Yeah, the right prefers to blow up federal buildings with fertilizer bombs, plow into crowds with cars, and gun down doctors at church.

Blame the public school system for subjective reasoning.
 

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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.

There is no clear cut center. You have people who are in the center because they're less extreme. You could say that the further from the center you go, the more extreme you go. Hence how we define Far right, right, center right, center..... etc.
 

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There is a center, but defining it is difficult. I've known a few real, legit centrists. They end up practically smack dab in the center on the politicalcompass.org test. There's some on this forum. It mostly means that they are very rational, logical and virtually unemotional when it comes to their positions. Some things they lean left on, some things right, but they average out to the center overall. They're able to "turn off" the emotional part of their brain when thinking about political stuff, which is admirable.
 

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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.

My favorite part is where you said the Republican side is more murky. You know, like men getting married, having kids, and using the women's bathroom.
 
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Obviously, I am a clear-cut leftie, but I think the rightwing misunderstands what that means. I think many services should be strictly socialized (i.e healthcare, higher education), but that doesn't mean I embrace Marxism. I believe capitalism works - I just think it should have strict limitations. It's still a no-brainer to suggest our economy should have a free-enterprise backbone. The profit motive definitely works to an extent. This nuance is something I think the rightwing doesn't understand about the leftwing. Moreover, lefties on this forum disagree with me on socializing certain institutions which puts them closer to the "center"

On the other side of it, finding this sense of nuance post-Tea Party/Trump on the rightwing is a lot more murky. Do republicans even remember what it was like to be closer to the center during Bush's era? Are there any center-right conservatives left to identify?

My overall point is this: for both the left and the right, no one can agree where the center of the spectrum is.


It's pretty simple, if you support a government that is ran by the Constitution as written, you are pretty much in the center. Damn shame that is a minority view in the country now. Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now.


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Then, what exactly, does it mean to be rightwinger if you think being centrist means following the constitution word for word?
 

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There is a center, but defining it is difficult. I've known a few real, legit centrists. They end up practically smack dab in the center on the politicalcompass.org test. There's some on this forum. It mostly means that they are very rational, logical and virtually unemotional when it comes to their positions. Some things they lean left on, some things right, but they average out to the center overall. They're able to "turn off" the emotional part of their brain when thinking about political stuff, which is admirable.

I should have said there is no exact center for anything which is impossible and all that can be given is a close approximation in the physical universe.
 

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