Baseball Steroid Use..Do You Really Care?

[theim]

My veiw:

'Roid users have ruined baseball. Steroids are cheating, period. Every player with a record who uses steroids should have that record stricken, not just asterisked. They cheated to get it. Roger Marris' record goes unbroken for ove 40 years, and now suddenly its being broken every other season. It doesn't a genius to figure out something's up.

But it is not House committee material. Take it up with the FBI or someone, investigate the suspected users, and punish those found guilty.

 

[nosarcasm]

the problem is that the whole sports industry

highschool -> College --> professional leagues encourages and tolerates
steroid abuse by athletes. Having teenagers messing around with
these drugs cannot be healthy. The long list of sports stars that die
early thanks to heart attacks and the like should make it obvious
that some controls are necessary. The MLB players union was a glaring
example of people cheating and writing their own rules to not test and
then when they tested not to have penalties.

Pathetic

 

[Adam's Apple]

Baseball has repeatedly demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to police itself.

So true. Maybe this will open their eyes to the fact that if they don't take care of their own problems, the government will come knocking at their door.
A lot of people are supporting the government's intervention simply because baseball has just let things ride.

 

[dilloduck]

So true. Maybe this will open their eyes to the fact that if they don't take care of their own problems, the government will come knocking at their door.
A lot of people are supporting the government's intervention simply because baseball has just let things ride.

the Govt is certainly within it's rights to threaten to revoke the anti-trust exempt status-----then let em do what they want but public opinion is gonna be strongly against their lenient policies.

 

[Adam's Apple]

All I'm saying is that it's just too bad that the government had to step in and take care of a problem that should have been baseball's responsibility. But as MM said, baseball has demonstrated for quite some time that it is unwilling to police itself.

 

[dilloduck]

All I'm saying is that it's just too bad that the government had to step in and take care of a problem that should have been baseball's responsibility. But as MM said, baseball has demonstrated for quite some time that it is unwilling to police itself.

of course not------they have no incentive to do so

 

[Adam's Apple]

Well, do you think they will have now after their experience with the Senate hearings? Or will they just go on shirking their responsibilities?

 

[dilloduck]

Well, do you think they will have now after their experience with the Senate hearings? Or will they just go on shirking their responsibilities?

A little airing of their dirty laundry won't make much dif in my opinion---people want to watch people perform and do awesome things even if they have to get doped up to do it.

law enforcemnent just needs to bust the ones who have broken the law.

 

[sagegirl]

Drug use, abuse, and the laws pertaining to all this are so screwed up. All drugs, any drug, can be misused and our moral leaders have decided which ones are allowable and who can use them. If baseball wants to subject players to drug tests and wants to fine, fire, or ignore it all, then it is up to the public to voice their opinion by attending or boycotting the games. Public opinion holds great sway. For all drugs, performance enhancing, (steroids)... mind altering, (hallucinogens)....or recreational (viagra, pot) none should be any excuse for any other illegal act or harm. I say decriminalize them all.

 

[Bonnie]

My veiw:

'Roid users have ruined baseball. Steroids are cheating, period. Every player with a record who uses steroids should have that record stricken, not just asterisked. They cheated to get it. Roger Marris' record goes unbroken for ove 40 years, and now suddenly its being broken every other season. It doesn't a genius to figure out something's up.

But it is not House committee material. Take it up with the FBI or someone, investigate the suspected users, and punish those found guilty.

I do agree with that, I just think it's a shame that it has come to where congress has to get involved because the owners and commission are too chicken shit to buck the the unions to do proper testing of players and assess penalties where ever it warrants.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

steroids are a federally controlled substance. Athletes that have used or are currently using them not only should have their records removed but they should also face federal drug charges along with charges based along the RICO statutes because they used those steroids to bag more cash from the owners and fans.

 

[dilloduck]

Drug use, abuse, and the laws pertaining to all this are so screwed up. All drugs, any drug, can be misused and our moral leaders have decided which ones are allowable and who can use them. If baseball wants to subject players to drug tests and wants to fine, fire, or ignore it all, then it is up to the public to voice their opinion by attending or boycotting the games. Public opinion holds great sway. For all drugs, performance enhancing, (steroids)... mind altering, (hallucinogens)....or recreational (viagra, pot) none should be any excuse for any other illegal act or harm. I say decriminalize them all.

COOL---everyone could run around with drugs that would kill people !!!!!

 

[Itsthetruth]

Mark McGuire Stands Up To The Congressional Urine Testers


CounterPunch
March 18, 2005

The Congressional Urine Testers
Baseball's Theater of the Absurd
By DAVE ZIRIN

Congress did not disappoint anyone who wanted to see the Elephants and Donkeys on both sides of the aisle mate and become a litter of Jackasses. Committee chair Tom Davis kicked off the day by stating, "We're not interested in embarrassing anyone or ruining careers or grandstanding..." Then he and his fellow members of congress set about preening like peacocks before the cameras, proving the adage that "modern politics is celebrity for ugly people."

The players' seething hostility toward Canseco was so thick in the halls of congress that he even had to be placed in a separate, guarded waiting room before the hearing. At the witness table, no player hid their contempt of the player whose name is now synonymous with stool pigeonry in every clubhouse. As Schilling said, ``The allegations made in that book, the attempts to smear the names of players both past and present, having been made by one who for years vehemently denied steroid use, should be seen for what they are: an attempt to make money at the expense of others.''

Yet while Canseco sweated under the hot lights, the player being lacerated in the hearing's aftermath is Mark McGwire. McGwire, who has been out of the public eye since retiring in 2002, was the only player who did not deny under oath having used steroids. As sports columnist Larry Biel put it, "McGwire's silence was deafening. In the court of public opinion, McGwire looked very guilty. " Another columnist, the Washington Post's Thomas Boswell, wrote that McGwire "left the hearing room with his reputation in tatters"

But for those of us who consider these hearings a farcical "shamockery", and disturbing exercise in government power, should be proud of Big Mac's performance. He was the only player to actually stand up to the committee saying, ``I will use whatever influence and popularity that I have to discourage young athletes from taking any drug that is not recommended by a doctor. What I will not do, however, is participate in naming names and implicating my friends and teammates.''

McGwire was also the only person to challenge the entire logic of the proceedings. The argument has been that however comical these hearings may be, if they "save one life" from the harmful effects of steroids then all the grandstanding tomfoolery is worth it." But as McGwire put it, 'Asking me, or any other player, to answer questions about who took steroids in front of television cameras will not solve this problem. If a player answers, 'No,' he simply will not be believed. If he answers, 'Yes,' he risks public scorn and endless government investigations.'


http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin03182005.html

 

[Eightball]

Yeah, McGuire is all teary-eyed, and wants to help stop young people from getting into steroids........

Senator: "Mr. McGuire, have you used steroids?"

McGuire: "I'd rather talk about the future, not the past."

Big strong, emotional "Mac", can't admit that he did it. Great role model for the kids.

 

[cptpwichita]

COOL---everyone could run around with drugs that would kill people !!!!!

Who said you had to run around with drugs that would kill people?


legalization would help free up the criminal justice system,get rid of organized crime and gangs that are funded by drugs,decrease cost and increase the quality (safety of the drug),increase personal freedoms and lessen the size of government,have a new source of tax revenue,free up police resources to investigate violent and other crimes.

 

[manu1959]

What in the world gave you the impresson that I'm a Rush Limbaugh radio dittohead and a movie fan of Arnold Swartzinsnagger?

nothing there is no possible way you would pick them....more like randi rhodes and michael moore

 

[KarlMarx]

Frankly, I couldn't care less about it.

I don't see why the government is getting involved. Other than enforcing existing legislation regarding the use of steroids, they should stay out of it.

But..... hey, free TV coverage for the Senators!!!!! Saves on campaign expenses!!!!!

How about this, if they really want to do something about steroid and drug abuse, chuck a few of those overpaid sports gods in the clinker for a couple of years and ruin their career. That'll stop it.