Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

The legal age to purchase a gun should be 21, with perhaps some limited exceptions for an appropriate hunting rifle. An 18 year old kid is not yet mature enough to be a unsupervised gun owner. And before people go there an 18 year old in the military wielding a weapon is heavily trained and supervised.

Slade I'd be the first to support this but here's the problem. Gun control advocates are big fat liars. When we give them an inch they take a mile. They don't negotiate in good faith. Gun control advocates have every intention of breaking the deal. They will take the inch we give and keep right on pushing until guns are banned. On the way they pass laws which render owning a gun useless, or so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights.

These gun control punks are the reason we don't already have sensible, bi-partisan gun control in this country.

I appreciate the honesty and the reply however I just don’t buy the slippery slope argument. Fear of what comes next is no excuse not to take the right moves now. The end result is nothing gets done. If a business operated that way it would fail in a heartbeat.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If a bad guy wants a gun he will not have to get one legally, he can get it by word of mouth in any state.

Then why is Trump calling for background checks?

Trump is simply talking the situation down...misleading LefTarded fools.
He’s done and said the same shit each time a piece of shit Liberal has executed a mass shooting.

Are you trying to say that he doesn’t support any of those things? He just putting it out there to play the people?

Yes, to play the LefTarded fools.

Wow, you’re very insightful. Thanks for explaining that... haha

Sorry bud but it’s not all that complicated...The Tards can’t give two ***** about the daily killings in all the blue shitholes, the ghettos and barrios...they only get uppity when they see a political angle / opportunity.
Trump knows this and he buys time with his empty promises and phony sentiments.

 

[Slade3200]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How many times has Trump said one thing just to turn around and cause leftist to flip out?

All the time... because he doesn’t think things through

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How many times has Trump said one thing just to turn around and cause leftist to flip out?

All the time... because he doesn’t think things through

He thinks things through he says shit to trigger you leftist.

 

[Flash]

I think he is deflecting the Liberals.

He is saying "meaningful" background checks. That is much different than UBC or anything else the filthy Liberals would want. It is code for "we will look into something for the crazies but leave the gun owners alone".

Trump is too smart to piss off his base with stupid gun control laws. It is not like the supporters of RTKABA will vote for Democrats but they won't have the enthusiasm for Trump. He knows that could be disastrous in close swing states.

Haha, ok you can translate it that way, he obviously hedged the statement and didn’t provide any details. How about raising the age from 18 to 21 or 25 and not expunging records. Do you support those ideas? No code there

When you are 18 you are deemed old enough by the government to be given a weapon to kill people.

If that age is acceptable in the military for having firearms then it should be acceptable to enjoy the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

I want our Constitutional rights to be inclusive, not excluding.

Let’s be fair though... at 18 we can serve in the military IF we pass the militaries criteria and training.

You are little confused.

The military tells you that you can't use the a weapon for crime. Only legal uses.

The same as in civilian life.

The military trains you to shoot. It doesn't train you not to do crazy things.

It would be really oppressive to tell a 19 year old American that he can use a firearm to defend the Constitution of the US but that he was not allowed to have the very liberty that he was protecting.

 

[Brain357]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Better than what we have, but not enough.

 

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Dumb. Does nothing to deal with the actual problem......

None of the mass shooters would be affected...they purchased their guns legally, with Current Background checks, which means they can pass universal background checks.

Criminals bypass all background checks by using straw buyers who can pass any background check, or they steal their guns.....

So none of that proposed would stop any crime or mass shootings...

But go ahead, tell us how your emotions don't care.....

What would dry up gun crime the minute it was signed? Life Sentence for any crime comitted with a gun......and 30 years if a convicted criminal is caught in possession of a gun....

Those two things actually work....

Nothing else you posted will work.

 

[2aguy]

just reinstate the assault weapons ban that was in place under Clinton and Congress or Bush2 let expire...

enough already....

yes, bad guys could still get a gun on the black market, but when they are banned, the price on the black market will sky rocket, making it much much harder for these 20 to 30 yr old guys to afford them....

if it cuts these mass murders with assault/rapid fire/destructive powered weapons, it's good enough for me, for now.

yes, some rich guy like the Las Vegas shooter may still be out there, able to afford black market prices, but parkland, el paso, and Dayton, the synagogue etc mass murders would likely not have occurred by these young men, or likely to not have been as destructive without semi automatics, by these young men.

And that didn't do anything......criminals don't use them, cause they can't hide them in their baby momma's purse, and mass shooters will use the same semi-automatic rifle but with wood features.....

You moron.

The only thing we need to do? Life in prison for any crime committed with a gun. 15-30 if a convicted felon is caught with an illegal gun....

That dries up 95% of all gun crime right there......

 

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Like most gun control efforts, it will be watered down with loopholes, such as exclusion of individual sales, gun shows, etc. If republicans vote for it, then it will be worthless giving gun advocates the argument that gun control doesn't work.

The only way to actually solve the problem is to change the constitution making gun ownership a privileged not a right followed by tough laws to take guns off the streets backed up by enforcement.

Yes....you fascists can't wait.....those mass graves don't dig themselves and it is easier for you to fill them if we can't shoot back...

 

[Crixus]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

I always said only Trump can kill Trump. He is preparing to shoot him self in the head (politically) in the next few months. And not expunging records? First off, most felonys won't be cleared, especially violent ones. So Trump made all this hay about prison reform, yet he wants to make it so a kid caught with an ounce of weed at 16 will basically have their lives destroyed. If Trump does any of this I'll vote democrat in 2020.

 

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

The legal age to purchase a gun should be 21, with perhaps some limited exceptions for an appropriate hunting rifle. An 18 year old kid is not yet mature enough to be a unsupervised gun owner. And before people go there an 18 year old in the military wielding a weapon is heavily trained and supervised.

Slade I'd be the first to support this but here's the problem. Gun control advocates are big fat liars. When we give them an inch they take a mile. They don't negotiate in good faith. Gun control advocates have every intention of breaking the deal. They will take the inch we give and keep right on pushing until guns are banned. On the way they pass laws which render owning a gun useless, or so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights.

These gun control punks are the reason we don't already have sensible, bi-partisan gun control in this country.

I appreciate the honesty and the reply however I just don’t buy the slippery slope argument. Fear of what comes next is no excuse not to take the right moves now. The end result is nothing gets done. If a business operated that way it would fail in a heartbeat.

You are wrong....we already have every law we need to stop gun crime up to about 95%.....

You just don't care, you just want to ban guns.

Every thing you want to do already has a law to do it....democrats just do not want to enforce those laws because they want to incrementally squeeze gun owners.

What works....Life sentence for any crime comitted with a gun. 15-30 years for illegal possesion of a gun by a convicted criminal.

That works. That resolves 95% of actual gun violence......and does not do one thing to bother normal gun owners....

So you will never support it.

 

[Brain357]

just reinstate the assault weapons ban that was in place under Clinton and Congress or Bush2 let expire...

enough already....

yes, bad guys could still get a gun on the black market, but when they are banned, the price on the black market will sky rocket, making it much much harder for these 20 to 30 yr old guys to afford them....

if it cuts these mass murders with assault/rapid fire/destructive powered weapons, it's good enough for me, for now.

yes, some rich guy like the Las Vegas shooter may still be out there, able to afford black market prices, but parkland, el paso, and Dayton, the synagogue etc mass murders would likely not have occurred by these young men, or likely to not have been as destructive without semi automatics, by these young men.

And that didn't do anything......criminals don't use them, cause they can't hide them in their baby momma's purse, and mass shooters will use the same semi-automatic rifle but with wood features.....

You moron.

The only thing we need to do? Life in prison for any crime committed with a gun. 15-30 if a convicted felon is caught with an illegal gun....

That dries up 95% of all gun crime right there......

Life in prison for gun crimes would not have stopped our mass shootings.

 

[Flash]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

I always said only Trump can kill Trump. He is preparing to shoot him self in the head (politically) in the next few months. And not expunging records? First off, most felonys won't be cleared, especially violent ones. So Trump made all this hay about prison reform, yet he wants to make it so a kid caught with an ounce of weed at 16 will basically have their lives destroyed. If Trump does any of this I'll vote democrat in 2020.

Given the shit sandwich that was served up with two mass shootings in two days and the frenzy that came afterwards Trump is managing this pretty well.

He has taken AWB off the table and he is using the term "meaningful" instead of UBC.

God help us if we get a Democrat Congress and a Democrat President.

 

[2aguy]

just reinstate the assault weapons ban that was in place under Clinton and Congress or Bush2 let expire...

enough already....

yes, bad guys could still get a gun on the black market, but when they are banned, the price on the black market will sky rocket, making it much much harder for these 20 to 30 yr old guys to afford them....

if it cuts these mass murders with assault/rapid fire/destructive powered weapons, it's good enough for me, for now.

yes, some rich guy like the Las Vegas shooter may still be out there, able to afford black market prices, but parkland, el paso, and Dayton, the synagogue etc mass murders would likely not have occurred by these young men, or likely to not have been as destructive without semi automatics, by these young men.

And that didn't do anything......criminals don't use them, cause they can't hide them in their baby momma's purse, and mass shooters will use the same semi-automatic rifle but with wood features.....

You moron.

The only thing we need to do? Life in prison for any crime committed with a gun. 15-30 if a convicted felon is caught with an illegal gun....

That dries up 95% of all gun crime right there......

Life in prison for gun crimes would not have stopped our mass shootings.

Nope......and mass shootings were 12 in 2018, with 93 dead.

Actual gun murder by criminals in criminal life.....10,982 in 2017......

the way you stop mass shooters is through people reporting the nuts.....and by getting girls to stop having babies without fathers.

 

[Brain357]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

 

[Brain357]

just reinstate the assault weapons ban that was in place under Clinton and Congress or Bush2 let expire...

enough already....

yes, bad guys could still get a gun on the black market, but when they are banned, the price on the black market will sky rocket, making it much much harder for these 20 to 30 yr old guys to afford them....

if it cuts these mass murders with assault/rapid fire/destructive powered weapons, it's good enough for me, for now.

yes, some rich guy like the Las Vegas shooter may still be out there, able to afford black market prices, but parkland, el paso, and Dayton, the synagogue etc mass murders would likely not have occurred by these young men, or likely to not have been as destructive without semi automatics, by these young men.

And that didn't do anything......criminals don't use them, cause they can't hide them in their baby momma's purse, and mass shooters will use the same semi-automatic rifle but with wood features.....

You moron.

The only thing we need to do? Life in prison for any crime committed with a gun. 15-30 if a convicted felon is caught with an illegal gun....

That dries up 95% of all gun crime right there......

Life in prison for gun crimes would not have stopped our mass shootings.

Nope......and mass shootings were 12 in 2018, with 93 dead.

Actual gun murder by criminals in criminal life.....10,982 in 2017......

the way you stop mass shooters is through people reporting the nuts.....and by getting girls to stop having babies without fathers.

How many mass shooters don’t have fathers?

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

I disagree with the age limit...I've always felt if you're own enough to join or get drafted into the military you're own enough to drink, smoke and whatever else a 30 year old is allowed.

Besides nothing will happen as long as the NRA is running the country.

 

[2aguy]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

Why? Knives kill more people

Mass shooting deaths....total, all guns.... 93

knives every single year....1,500

cars, 38,000

over 18,000,000 AR-15 rifles in private hands.....3 were misused.....according to your logic, the 38,000 deaths mean all cars need to be banned.....you moron....knives too......

 

[Flash]

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What would dry up gun crime the minute it was signed? Life Sentence for any crime comitted with a gun......and 30 years if a convicted criminal is caught in possession of a gun....

Here in Florida we passed a law for concealed weapon carry a couple of decades ago.

In the bill was the stipulation that if a gun was used illegally then there would be some pretty stiff mandatory sentences. 3-10-20.

Millions of people got the CWP and gun crime went down.

Those are the type of laws that work, not silly meaningless backgrounds checks.

 

[Flash]

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Life in prison for gun crimes would not have stopped our mass shootings.

Just like the background check didn't prevent the crimes.