Bachmann vs Obama

[Luissa]

Spoken like a true Marxist.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

And really what was the point of this comment? It kind of sounded like you were defending Nazis if I was to use your logic.
Fox was kind of idiot in calling him a Marxist, for one she doesn't even understand what Marxism is. She seems to just throw that word around, if she continues it might start to loose any meaning. Oh! wait, it already has because you right wingers sure love to drop it any chance you get.

My good friends boyfriend is a self proclaimed Marxist, Sallow is nothing like him. Instead of making some claim about how Marxists are worse than Nazis, maybe you should have told Fox to read up on Marxism.

 

[Luissa]

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

No he isn't. He is pointing out that the two form of governments are not the same. You are the one adding 2+2 and getting 500.

Wrong... You are not following the the Conversation close enough.

Slut.



peace...

Oh! I am No where did he defend what they did in Russia or China. He only pointed out that you have to add up all the deaths over a certain period of time to equal how many Nazis killed with genocide.
A subject that was brought up by you, and why did you bring it up? Were you trying to defend Fox, Nazis, are Right Wing thinking?

 

[Sallow]

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

And I have to call people on the ignorance of thinking the mostly Marxist governments of Lenin/Stalin or Mao or others were somehow more compassionate or less brutal than were the Nazis. And Mal is right that both were more deadly.

To acknowledge that does not in any way condone or justify the unconscionable and indefensible practices of the Nazis. Different systems. But evil just the same.

Well you would know all about evil..being a Nazi and all.

And speaking with a forked tongue.

You little devil you.

 

[Foxfyre]

ah, another episode of "honest people would agree with foxfyre"

Honest people would agree with Foxfyre when they know Foxfyre is right. If she's wrong, honest people make a credible argument to show that. Those able to do that get major props from Foxfyre. But again, when the focus becomes Foxfyre, ad hominem or personal attacks, it is obvious the opposition is out of ammunition and Foxfyre wins.

Here's some honesty:

Anyone who would support Bachmann or even gives her credibility, loses theirs.
Anyone who would support Bachmann and ever complain that Obama is a liar or hypocrite, is so blinded by party, they don't need to post anything here. If we want their opinions, we'll just watch Glenn Beck and drink the kool-aid with them.

This message brought to you by someone who voted against Obama in the polls with "Generic GOP Candidate" and "Perry" as alternatives. No Kool-Aid here.

So tell me Mr. Objective, impartial, non-Kool-ade drinker who trashes Bachmann and apparently thinks Obama is as honest and pure as the driven snow. . . . .

This thread doesn't give you an option of 'generic GOP candidate' or "Perry". It is asking the question of whether if the only choices you have are Bachmann or Obama, which do you vote for.

In my opinion, honest people don't change the question so they can get in their usual talking points. They answer the question.

 

[Luissa]

ah, another episode of "honest people would agree with foxfyre"

Honest people would agree with Foxfyre when they know Foxfyre is right. If she's wrong, honest people make a credible argument to show that. Those able to do that get major props from Foxfyre. But again, when the focus becomes Foxfyre, ad hominem or personal attacks, it is obvious the opposition is out of ammunition and Foxfyre wins.

You lost the moment you said Obama was a Marxist.
Modbert could have done nothing after that point and still won.

 

[Luissa]

Honest people would agree with Foxfyre when they know Foxfyre is right. If she's wrong, honest people make a credible argument to show that. Those able to do that get major props from Foxfyre. But again, when the focus becomes Foxfyre, ad hominem or personal attacks, it is obvious the opposition is out of ammunition and Foxfyre wins.

Here's some honesty:

Anyone who would support Bachmann or even gives her credibility, loses theirs.
Anyone who would support Bachmann and ever complain that Obama is a liar or hypocrite, is so blinded by party, they don't need to post anything here. If we want their opinions, we'll just watch Glenn Beck and drink the kool-aid with them.

This message brought to you by someone who voted against Obama in the polls with "Generic GOP Candidate" and "Perry" as alternatives. No Kool-Aid here.

and apparently thinks Obama is as honest and pure as the driven snow. . . . .

Where did he say that? Honest people may agree with you, but it seems you are not so honest.

 

[Luissa]

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

And I have to call people on the ignorance of thinking the mostly Marxist governments of Lenin/Stalin or Mao or others were somehow more compassionate or less brutal than were the Nazis. And Mal is right that both were more deadly.

To acknowledge that does not in any way condone or justify the unconscionable and indefensible practices of the Nazis. Different systems. But evil just the same.

One could make the argument that Russia did allow the US to send aid to help with their starving population. People always forget about that.

 

[Sallow]

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

Not "excusing" anyone.

Actually..wouldn't really make a difference whether I did or didn't.

You guys like to aggregate Communists into one little basket and then tally up all deaths while under that regime as being "murder".

Of course you guys don't even realize that the Soviet Union and China are very different.

And death because of poor planning isn't the same as death by deliberate action to actually kill people.

Additionally..both countries have had massive die offs before, for very much the same reasons. Seldom is there condemnation of Monarchies and Aristocracies in that regard by Conservatives.

Have a gander..

List of famines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Modbert]

This board does tilt conservative, but everyone seems to me to be able to get their fair say, which is more than I can say for a lot of other boards I've been on.

Yes they do. Every other board I've seen outside Democratic Underground is so much further to the right.

 

[Foxfyre]

Here's some honesty:

Anyone who would support Bachmann or even gives her credibility, loses theirs.
Anyone who would support Bachmann and ever complain that Obama is a liar or hypocrite, is so blinded by party, they don't need to post anything here. If we want their opinions, we'll just watch Glenn Beck and drink the kool-aid with them.

This message brought to you by someone who voted against Obama in the polls with "Generic GOP Candidate" and "Perry" as alternatives. No Kool-Aid here.

and apparently thinks Obama is as honest and pure as the driven snow. . . . .

Where did he say that? Honest people may agree with you, but it seems you are not so honest.

He seemed to take exception to calling Obama a liar and hypocrite (which I actually have done neither on this thread but that's an ad hominem assumption I decided not to address.) So he must see Obama as honest and honorable wouldn't you say?

And I have posted over the course of numerous threads statements from his books, speeches, the policies he has initiated or promoted, the people he has surrounded himself with that identifies Obama as with Marxist beliefs or intentions. A 100% Marxist? Of course not. Nobody is, which I have also made clear.

You and Modbert have provided not a single argument to show how those examples are not Marxist and have rather chosen to focus on me and my beliefs and/or make ad hominem inferences or flat out personal attacks which puts you on the losers side by default.

 

[Luissa]

and apparently thinks Obama is as honest and pure as the driven snow. . . . .

Where did he say that? Honest people may agree with you, but it seems you are not so honest.

He seemed to take exception to calling Obama a liar and hypocrite (which I actually have done neither on this thread but that's an ad hominem assumption I decided not to address.) So he must see Obama as honest and honorable wouldn't you say?

And I have posted over the course of numerous threads statements from his books, speeches, the policies he has initiated or promoted, the people he has surrounded himself with that identifies Obama as with Marxist beliefs or intentions. A 100% Marxist? Of course not. Nobody is, which I have also made clear.

You and Modbert have provided not a single argument to show how those examples are not Marxist and have rather chosen to focus on me and my beliefs which puts you on the losers side by default.

Pointing out how you contradict yourself is not focusing on your beliefs, and please point out where I attacked you or your personal beliefs? Oh! I guess I did say I hope you don't teach people about Marxism, because you have no real understanding of what a Marxist is. I guess you got me there. To be fair, you did comment on Modberts education and mentioned something about him taking your class.
Pointing out where you were not honest about what Independentlogic said is not an example.
You were not honest. He did not say anything you said he did about Obama. He simply pointed out he would not use Beck or Bachmann has a source on Obama's honesty.

 

[Modbert]

Foxfyre, you have provided absolutely no evidence in this thread. Not a single shred outside of your own warped ideas of Marxism. I have posted at least 10 credible links along with arguments that you have yet to refute.

I haven't chosen to focus on you. You're the one who started the attacks by attacking my character. The sad thing is you keep talking about winners and losers as if there is such a thing on a political message board.

 

[mal]

Spoken like a true Nazi.

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

And really what was the point of this comment? It kind of sounded like you were defending Nazis if I was to use your logic. ....

Nope... Try again.



peace...

 

[Luissa]

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

And really what was the point of this comment? It kind of sounded like you were defending Nazis if I was to use your logic. ....

Nope... Try again.



peace...

Using the logic you used on Sallow, it kind of looks that way.

 

[mal]

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

Not "excusing" anyone.

Actually..wouldn't really make a difference whether I did or didn't.

You guys like to aggregate Communists into one little basket and then tally up all deaths while under that regime as being "murder".

Of course you guys don't even realize that the Soviet Union and China are very different.

And death because of poor planning isn't the same as death by deliberate action to actually kill people.

Additionally..both countries have had massive die offs before, for very much the same reasons. Seldom is there condemnation of Monarchies and Aristocracies in that regard by Conservatives.

Have a gander..

List of famines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who brought up China as Compared with Stalin's Land?...



peace...

 

[mal]

And really what was the point of this comment? It kind of sounded like you were defending Nazis if I was to use your logic. ....

Nope... Try again.



peace...

Using the logic you used on Sallow, it kind of looks that way.

Nope.



peace...

 

[Luissa]

Foxfyre, you have provided absolutely no evidence in this thread. Not a single shred outside of your own warped ideas of Marxism. I have posted at least 10 credible links along with arguments that you have yet to refute.

I haven't chosen to focus on you. You're the one who started the attacks by attacking my character. The sad thing is you keep talking about winners and losers as if there is such a thing on a political message board.

I did notice that, she did attack your character and your education while complaining you were personally attacking her.
Me thinks Fox is hypocrite, but I figured that out awhile ago. Plus the women contradicts herself every chance she gets.

 

[Luissa]

Nope... Try again.



peace...

Using the logic you used on Sallow, it kind of looks that way.

Nope.



peace...

Stop personally attacking me, nazi.

 

[Sallow]

Who brought up China as Compared with Stalin's Land?...



peace...

You did.

Piece.

 

[Luissa]

Who brought up China as Compared with Stalin's Land?...



peace...

You did.

Piece.

He did. As he was defending his right wing Nazi friends.