Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Seawytch]

I don't need to prove you are lying and still lying and haven't much integrity. You are doing it for me.

My integrity isn't in question and you are actually making others question yours by insisting that it is.

Do you call your brother a "***" or are pejoratives only reserved for people who "insult" the bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann and her beard...I mean husband?

My brother is dead and I never called him a '***'.

He also wasn't bitter.

And he never called anyone a ***, gay, or a dyke and meant it as a compliment - as you claim you are doing with Bachmann's husband. If one were to believe you , then you like the guy.

If one were to believe you, that is.

Sell your snake oil elsewhere, liar. Only idiots are buying it. The rest of us have you pinned for the bitter liar you are.

But, keep trying to weasel your way around. I love it when folks live up to my predictions.

I didn't use those pejoratives, you did. I stated that the fabulous Marcus Bachmann is gay. It was a statement and there was no connotation attached to it at all. I don't believe being gay is a bad thing (the Bachmanns do). Where is the "lie" or "snake oil" in that?

You are the one that started throwing "dyke" around as a pejorative. That's pretty hateful and bitter of you don't you think?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Si Modo continues mumbling and stumbling. Go ahead, SM, you can have the last bumbling.

 

[Gadawg73]

What's the statue of limitations on leaving your wife while she's being treated for cancer? How about leaving your second wife when she's diagnosed with multiple sclerosis? (Which, by the way was not decades ago...)

And who does Newtie say is responsible? Why, his patriotic penis of course.

I don't know, ask John Edwards.
sheesh, nasty nasty nasty

Could't agree more. Edwards is a ******* POS...he's not running for president is he? (and certainly not in the "family values" party)

I agree 100% when I hear those that state correctly "Palin is not running so why all the fuss about what she has every right to do?" yet out of the other side of their mouth they state "Well, so and so (always a Democrat that is also not running) has done this and that.
The old double standard at work which the right wing kooks rightly call out the liberals when they do it but allow, accept and praise it when it is done in the name of Jeezus or "family values" by the snake oil salesman, or woman in the case of MB.
It is hilarious to watch though. Best show in town watching the naive and gullible fall for it every time.

 

[Samson]

Why are Republicans so eager to make pledges to special interest lobbies?

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

Your ignorance is amazing.

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

The endorsement decision follows a meeting in Austin, Texas, between Hoffa and Obama, and completes a months-long process that included scientific polling of Teamster members, surveys of local union and joint council leaders and deliberations by the union's democratically elected General Executive Board.

We have been fortunate to have candidates throughout the Democratic primary who are friends of working families and the Teamsters Union, Hoffa said. We are pleased that all of the Democratic candidates have focused on issues of importance to working people, including wages, health care, retirement security, fair trade and outsourcing

 

[Sallow]

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

Your ignorance is amazing.

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

The endorsement decision follows a meeting in Austin, Texas, between Hoffa and Obama, and completes a months-long process that included scientific polling of Teamster members, surveys of local union and joint council leaders and deliberations by the union's democratically elected General Executive Board.

We have been fortunate to have candidates throughout the Democratic primary who are friends of working families and the Teamsters Union, Hoffa said. We are pleased that all of the Democratic candidates have focused on issues of importance to working people, including wages, health care, retirement security, fair trade and outsourcing

So the teamster's endorsing a candidate is the same as a candidate signing a pledge?

Seriously?

Are you going to stick with this?

Because if you are..I am about to spring a "gotcha" on ya.

 

[Trajan]

In all seriousness, the GOP is going to screw itself with the social conservative pledges. It's a pretty sharp move by social conservatives to try and take their dying issues and nail candidates down on them, but the end result will be a candidate that has already made promises that pander to the base but not the moderates in this country.

I can see why Bachmann plays along. This is the only card she has to play. I think the others are smart to distance themselves from them.

they ( dem rep) always have and always will play this game GTH, they run to the far reaches before and during the primary and run back to center when the nomination is theirs, add to that she will not be nominated and its a tempest in a teapot( pun intended).

 

[Gadawg73]

She's only running to boost her stock. She's savy in that degree. She knows that someone has to cater to the rapidly faltering "social conservative" movement and she is going to be that person. That will gain her a position in some administration some day. She'll never make the big show. She couldn't even win in her own state if her district was completely Gerrymandered.

At least she's taken all the wind out of Palin's sails.

So there is that.

(I have to admit that I derive sadistic pleasure out of Palin's fading star. She was apparently egotistical enough to think that her support was going to come simply because she was Palin and not because of the issues. Now that Bachman has co-opted the issue, the only people left in the Palin camp are the lame-assed hangabouts).

Well said.
Most importantly, she takes support away from Herman Cain and hurts his campaign badly.
He is a viable candidate.

No, he is not. Period.

Yes he is. He has more business experience than anyone in the race.
And that is what this country needs as the current occupier of the White House, although a nice guy, has not one clue as to how to manage money or the business of the country.

 

[Sallow]

...I didn't lie about anything. I, unlike you and the Bachmann's, do not think there is anything negative or bad about being gay. THEY do (as do, I'm sure, most of bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann's supporters)...especially the fabulous Marcus Bachmann whose clinic engages in harmful "reparative therapy" where they believe they can Jesus the ghey out of people.

Marcus Bachmann is gay. He has chosen not to act on his natural inclinations, but the guy has the deepest San Francisco accent I've heard in a while...and I live near SF.

What has history shown us about individuals like Marcus Bachmann who believe that they can deny their natural inclinations towards members of the same sex?

• Larry Craig
• Ted Haggart
• Bob Allen
• George Reekers
• Richard Curtis
• Roy Ashburn
• Ed Schrock

Seriously? You are basing this on the way he talks? I've known people you'd swear were gay by the way they talked and they were hetro..and very hetro at that.

Heck..Listen to Mike Tyson some time.

I doubt you'd want to call him gay to his face.

Actually I'm basing it on the fact that he picks out her pants suits and calls other gays "barbarians". The accent was a joke.

There is absolutely nothing that points to Mr. Bachmann being gay. And yeah..generally it's insulting to a hetrosexual male (of a certain age) to be referred to as gay. I'm 50. Back in my day..being gay was bad..although I didn't think anyone should have been demonized for it. But it still makes my skin crawl. While I tolerate it..I really don't accept it. And I am pretty honest about it with people that are gay too.

 

[Trajan]

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

Your ignorance is amazing.

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

The endorsement decision follows a meeting in Austin, Texas, between Hoffa and Obama, and completes a months-long process that included scientific polling of Teamster members, surveys of local union and joint council leaders and deliberations by the union's democratically elected General Executive Board.

We have been fortunate to have candidates throughout the Democratic primary who are friends of working families and the Teamsters Union, Hoffa said. We are pleased that all of the Democratic candidates have focused on issues of importance to working people, including wages, health care, retirement security, fair trade and outsourcing

So the teamster's endorsing a candidate is the same as a candidate signing a pledge?

Seriously?

Are you going to stick with this?

Because if you are..I am about to spring a "gotcha" on ya.

in some ways its worse to endorse, because you the own that no matter what the candidate geos on to say or do there after.

a pledge is a delineated platform of spelled out, whether you agree with whatever pledge etc. we are discussing, imho, a blind endorsement doesn't always work out.

 

[Sallow]

Well said.
Most importantly, she takes support away from Herman Cain and hurts his campaign badly.
He is a viable candidate.

No, he is not. Period.

Yes he is. He has more business experience than anyone in the race.
And that is what this country needs as the current occupier of the White House, although a nice guy, has not one clue as to how to manage money or the business of the country.

Who cares about "business" experience. The government is not a business. I think business leaders are valuable when they are giving advice..not running the show.

And conservative leaders punted the whole business model idea when they held up the notion that all revenue increases must be offset by tax cuts.

That's the most ridiculous and absurd thing I ever heard.

Even more so given the size of the debt.

 

[Gadawg73]

No, he is not. Period.

Yes he is. He has more business experience than anyone in the race.
And that is what this country needs as the current occupier of the White House, although a nice guy, has not one clue as to how to manage money or the business of the country.

Who cares about "business" experience. The government is not a business. I think business leaders are valuable when they are giving advice..not running the show.

And conservative leaders punted the whole business model idea when they held up the notion that all revenue increases must be offset by tax cuts.

That's the most ridiculous and absurd thing I ever heard.

Even more so given the size of the debt.

The debt is from SPENDING.
Show me ONE TIME EVER that tax increases slowed the spending or solved any revenue problems.
You are exactly right. The current government is not run like a business.
And you wonder why 40 cents of every dollar the government spends IS BORROWED now.
Are you denying that?
We could tax EVERYONE that now makes over 250K a year 100% and that would run the government for 140 days only.
The problem is we tax TOO MUCH now, we give government TOO MUCH $$ to spend and guess what they do EVERY TIME?
Spend every cent of it and propose more and more and more and more spending.
A small drop in the bucket example is the NEA. Why the hell do we fund THEM ONE CENT when we run deficits?
How come they will not offer them to be done away with? WTF are the arts doing in government funding anyway?
Eliminate them and the other 300 billion of BS and then, maybe we will talk more taxes.
Raising taxes never solves deficits or government debt.

 

[manifold]

Your ignorance is amazing.

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

So the teamster's endorsing a candidate is the same as a candidate signing a pledge?

Seriously?

Are you going to stick with this?

Because if you are..I am about to spring a "gotcha" on ya.

in some ways its worse to endorse, because you the own that no matter what the candidate geos on to say or do there after.

a pledge is a delineated platform of spelled out, whether you agree with whatever pledge etc. we are discussing, imho, a blind endorsement doesn't always work out.

This post folks, is a partisan dead giveaway.

 

[Rinata]

Take a look:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/The-Family-Leader-Presidential-Pledge.pdf

#9 under the "Candidate vow". Pretty clear it says all forms of pornography.

yeah it does. but how does one define pornography?

"I know it when I see it"

 

[Si modo]

My integrity isn't in question and you are actually making others question yours by insisting that it is.

Do you call your brother a "***" or are pejoratives only reserved for people who "insult" the bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann and her beard...I mean husband?

My brother is dead and I never called him a '***'.

He also wasn't bitter.

And he never called anyone a ***, gay, or a dyke and meant it as a compliment - as you claim you are doing with Bachmann's husband. If one were to believe you , then you like the guy.

If one were to believe you, that is.

Sell your snake oil elsewhere, liar. Only idiots are buying it. The rest of us have you pinned for the bitter liar you are.

But, keep trying to weasel your way around. I love it when folks live up to my predictions.

I didn't use those pejoratives, you did. I stated that the fabulous Marcus Bachmann is gay. It was a statement and there was no connotation attached to it at all. I don't believe being gay is a bad thing (the Bachmanns do). Where is the "lie" or "snake oil" in that?

You are the one that started throwing "dyke" around as a pejorative. That's pretty hateful and bitter of you don't you think?

And, you still think people are buying your snake oil?



What, you didn't suggest that I call you a dyke again? The fact that you've already done that brings your sincerity into question as well as the little integrity you might have had.

 

[Sallow]

Yes he is. He has more business experience than anyone in the race.
And that is what this country needs as the current occupier of the White House, although a nice guy, has not one clue as to how to manage money or the business of the country.

Who cares about "business" experience. The government is not a business. I think business leaders are valuable when they are giving advice..not running the show.

And conservative leaders punted the whole business model idea when they held up the notion that all revenue increases must be offset by tax cuts.

That's the most ridiculous and absurd thing I ever heard.

Even more so given the size of the debt.

The debt is from SPENDING.
Show me ONE TIME EVER that tax increases slowed the spending or solved any revenue problems.
You are exactly right. The current government is not run like a business.
And you wonder why 40 cents of every dollar the government spends IS BORROWED now.
Are you denying that?
We could tax EVERYONE that now makes over 250K a year 100% and that would run the government for 140 days only.
The problem is we tax TOO MUCH now, we give government TOO MUCH $$ to spend and guess what they do EVERY TIME?
Spend every cent of it and propose more and more and more and more spending.
A small drop in the bucket example is the NEA. Why the hell do we fund THEM ONE CENT when we run deficits?
How come they will not offer them to be done away with? WTF are the arts doing in government funding anyway?
Eliminate them and the other 300 billion of BS and then, maybe we will talk more taxes.
Raising taxes never solves deficits or government debt.

The debt is from a combination of spending and tax cuts. And we don't tax to much. I mean..what the heck are you using as a benchmark? What other country differs, that isn't an industrialized modern nation, so much to business? You people are using the 35% mark as if it's hard and fast. It isn't. And very few companies come close to paying that rate. Quite the opposite. They garner wealth from the tax payers.

But as to spending..you have some merit there. For the first time in history..this country started wars and cut taxes. That's nuts. Along with making whole new entitlement programs and departments. No wonder Bush got rid of Paygo. None of that shit would have flown under that policy.

And under Eisenhower tax hikes kept the debt and deficit very low.

 

[Sallow]

Your ignorance is amazing.

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama

Teamsters Endorse Barack Obama | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

So the teamster's endorsing a candidate is the same as a candidate signing a pledge?

Seriously?

Are you going to stick with this?

Because if you are..I am about to spring a "gotcha" on ya.

in some ways its worse to endorse, because you the own that no matter what the candidate geos on to say or do there after.

a pledge is a delineated platform of spelled out, whether you agree with whatever pledge etc. we are discussing, imho, a blind endorsement doesn't always work out.

Ridiculous.

You aren't under any obligation whatsoever to do anything when a group endores you.

When you sign a pledge..you've signed on to what ever is in the pledge. And if you back out of it..you've messed up your integrity.

 

[Rinata]

This is really something.

http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.7.111.pdf

 

[Seawytch]

Seriously? You are basing this on the way he talks? I've known people you'd swear were gay by the way they talked and they were hetro..and very hetro at that.

Heck..Listen to Mike Tyson some time.

I doubt you'd want to call him gay to his face.

Actually I'm basing it on the fact that he picks out her pants suits and calls other gays "barbarians". The accent was a joke.

There is absolutely nothing that points to Mr. Bachmann being gay.

Depends on whether you trust Gaydar or not...

The fabulous Marcus Bachmann, who calls gays "barbarians" and believes they should be disciplined...(because they are so naughty) sends my gaydar to pinging sumpin' fierce.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vs5570pKw"]naughty[/ame]

And yeah..generally it's insulting to a hetrosexual male (of a certain age) to be referred to as gay. I'm 50. Back in my day..being gay was bad..although I didn't think anyone should have been demonized for it. But it still makes my skin crawl. While I tolerate it..I really don't accept it. And I am pretty honest about it with people that are gay too.

And whose problem is that, yours or theirs? "Back in the day", being referred to as ____ (fill in the blank) was "bad". Broad statements...

 

[Seawytch]

My brother is dead and I never called him a '***'.

He also wasn't bitter.

And he never called anyone a ***, gay, or a dyke and meant it as a compliment - as you claim you are doing with Bachmann's husband. If one were to believe you , then you like the guy.

If one were to believe you, that is.

Sell your snake oil elsewhere, liar. Only idiots are buying it. The rest of us have you pinned for the bitter liar you are.

But, keep trying to weasel your way around. I love it when folks live up to my predictions.

I didn't use those pejoratives, you did. I stated that the fabulous Marcus Bachmann is gay. It was a statement and there was no connotation attached to it at all. I don't believe being gay is a bad thing (the Bachmanns do). Where is the "lie" or "snake oil" in that?

You are the one that started throwing "dyke" around as a pejorative. That's pretty hateful and bitter of you don't you think?

And, you still think people are buying your snake oil?



What, you didn't suggest that I call you a dyke again? The fact that you've already done that brings your sincerity into question as well as the little integrity you might have had.

Huh...you seem awfully susceptible to suggestion. Drink Kool aid do ya?

I didn't actually suggest you go back to using it, just questioned why you stopped suddenly. I thought maybe it was because you getting upset about my saying Marcus was gay (which you took to be insulting) and getting indignant because your brother is gay was terribly ironic in light of you using a derogatory term for lesbian.

Guess not. Oh well...

 

[L.K.Eder]

So the teamster's endorsing a candidate is the same as a candidate signing a pledge?

Seriously?

Are you going to stick with this?

Because if you are..I am about to spring a "gotcha" on ya.

in some ways its worse to endorse, because you the own that no matter what the candidate geos on to say or do there after.

a pledge is a delineated platform of spelled out, whether you agree with whatever pledge etc. we are discussing, imho, a blind endorsement doesn't always work out.

This post folks, is a partisan dead giveaway.

a blimp shortly before the crash.