Bachmann signs The Family Lead pledge

[Stephanie]

Why are Republicans so eager to make pledges to special interest lobbies?

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

oops..

 

[Sallow]

are you having a bad morning, Si?

i have no problem reading. but you're being a bit disingenuous saying it's a "personal" pledge. it's a" personal" pledge to violate the court's decisions on the 1st amendment and to infringe on people's equal protection under the law.

as far as her comments on homosexuality being "choice", she has the right to be as stupid as she wishes.

now, would you be as understanding if the "personal" pledge were to ban guns in this country? or would you say she wanted to violate your constitutional rights, was trying to take away our guns "like they did in nazi germany" and point out the decision in the heller case?

i'm thinking you'd have done the latter.

as for seawytch, i'm afraid that whether someone is a lesbian or not really isn't much concern to me. and if you want to talk about "angry", i'd look more at steffie's lunatic posts. but there ya go.

got to run for a bit... will look back later.

I'm having a great morning, thank you.

You need to read the actual personal pledge and not someone's interpretation of it.

you mean like relying on this opinion?

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bachmann is a nutbar. and again, if it were a leftie taking a "personal pledge" to do away with guns, you'd be in meltdown.

but glad you were having a good morning.

Exactly.

 

[Sallow]

Why are Republicans so eager to make pledges to special interest lobbies?

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

 

[Seawytch]

I don't think these candidates should be signing these vows or these petitions, but after reading the thing, it's clear the OP was meant to mislead us on it's intent.

Oh? And just what IS the intent of "the Pledge" in your estimation?

I see a lot of homophobia in it...not surprising that Bachmman, whose husband is gay as a three dollar bill, would sign it. Michelle Bachmman must live in constant fear of that phone call...


"ma'am, we've arrested your husband in a public restroom"

What homophobia? Can you point to anything that is actually in the pledge that is a lie? Sexual orientation is not genetic or environmentally controlled, and we are not machines, so it has to be a choice, even if we do not remember making that choice. Active participation in a homosexual lifestyle is something that any doctor will tell can adversely affect your health, just like eating to much food can. That does not make it wrong to eat to much, or eve3n engage in unprotected homosexual activity with multiple partners. But if you do either of those you should be aware of the risks involved.

Might as well just rename it "the homophobia pledge".

Scientists almost universally agree that sexual orientation IS NOT a choice, no matter how many times the homophobes try to claim it is. (even going so far as to sign a pledge asserting that falsehood)

Did you read the language? It basically stated that there is no genetic determination for homosexuality. Um...the same can be said for heterosexuality. There is no straight gene is there? (or left handed gene for that matter).

Sexuality, like the world, is not black and white.

Besides that...what would it matter if it were a choice? Religion is a choice, yes? Could you imagine trying to enact such a law because of someone's religious choice?

So this pledge is saying that marriage must be kept between a man and a woman, and as a candidate she would try to limit the freedoms of gays and lesbians with a constitutional amendment? What happened to her big "states rights" mantra? And she wants to do this because of promiscuity? Do you not get how those two things contradict each other?

Ted Olson does: The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage

How does writing discrimination into the constitution to keep gays and lesbians from creating the social and economic partnerships of legal marriage, combat promiscuity?

The research that this "pledge" quotes has a disclaimer by the authors of it. Of course the authors of the "pledge" don't include it, but I will.

Gay life expectancy revisited

in which the researchers say:

In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia.​

How does being a lesbian adversely effect health?

 

[manifold]

Why are Republicans so eager to make pledges to special interest lobbies?

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

The next time I see a politician sign a pledge to either of those will be the first.

Do not pass go, do not pick up $200. You fail.

 

[Sallow]

Destroy all the servers that host porn websites. Shut down Google for 2 months. As simple as that.

God created women breast for feeding milk to babies. Breast is not for sex and not for attraction.

Never go against God's basic rule or else people will be destroyed.

Animals have fur. Animals are never naked. Clothes are human beings artificial fur because human beings do not have fur.

Skin looks dirty so human skin and flesh should not be visible. Have you ever seen a sheep whose fur has been cut off? The "skin sheep" looks dirty.

Animals are better than useless people.

My understanding says that big breasts or boobs is some form of genetic mutation or diseases but foolish kids fall for it.

Porn stars and prostitutes have terrible diseases in their body and brains. People who are addicted to porn are also diseased.

Store bought titties are not for "feeding to milk to babies".

 

[Seawytch]

Why do Conservatives pursue wedge issues with such gusto? If there's a chance to restrict personal behavior, personal rights or the sexual behavior of consenting adults, Social Conservatives inevitably polish up their self-made halos and gallop across the countryside shootin' guns and ringin' bells the way Sarah Palin thinks Paul Revere did.

Bedroom issues, Family values, wedge issues are not good electoral policy. It only goes to figure that someone with the towering intellect of Michelle Bachmann would be the one and only Republican candidate to get tangled up in such dreck. I thought Little Ricky Santorum might fall for it, but I guess he has a smart enough campaign staff to keep him out of it.

hello- DOMA and DADT and The Dream act......are wedge social issues too, why it is ok to call for a truce on social issues yet the dems. get to play their games?

How is it a wedge issue when there is majority support for repealing DOMA, getting rid of DADT and passing the DREAM Act?

 

[JakeStarkey]

EACH of my wives, Steph. I was faithful to my first wife, who died, met my second, and have been faithful to only her. Many men are the same as me this way. I will vote for Mitt, Jon, or possibly Tim, who are conservative candidates. I will not vote for SP, MB, or the slimy Rick Perry. If MB some how becomes president, I will honor her office, as you have not Obama's. However, sis, MB cannot pull more than 40 to 41% of the vote as GOP and no more than 20% as Tea Party. Either way, her candidacy if selected by either GOP or TP guarantees Obama as your president for another four years.

She's only running to boost her stock. She's savy in that degree. She knows that someone has to cater to the rapidly faltering "social conservative" movement and she is going to be that person. That will gain her a position in some administration some day. She'll never make the big show. She couldn't even win in her own state if her district was completely Gerrymandered.

At least she's taken all the wind out of Palin's sails.

So there is that.

(I have to admit that I derive sadistic pleasure out of Palin's fading star. She was apparently egotistical enough to think that her support was going to come simply because she was Palin and not because of the issues. Now that Bachman has co-opted the issue, the only people left in the Palin camp are the lame-assed hangabouts).

Well said.
Most importantly, she takes support away from Herman Cain and hurts his campaign badly.
He is a viable candidate.

No, he is not. Period.

 

[Seawytch]

clinton could have given the executive order, as obama did, to allow all gays in the military, without DADT. but he didn't. why? he didn't need permission from Congress.

An Executive Order can be overturned by the next President. I prefer the smarter, more permanent way President Obama has addressed the issue.

 

[Sallow]

She's only running to boost her stock. She's savy in that degree. She knows that someone has to cater to the rapidly faltering "social conservative" movement and she is going to be that person. That will gain her a position in some administration some day. She'll never make the big show. She couldn't even win in her own state if her district was completely Gerrymandered.

At least she's taken all the wind out of Palin's sails.

So there is that.

(I have to admit that I derive sadistic pleasure out of Palin's fading star. She was apparently egotistical enough to think that her support was going to come simply because she was Palin and not because of the issues. Now that Bachman has co-opted the issue, the only people left in the Palin camp are the lame-assed hangabouts).

Well said.
Most importantly, she takes support away from Herman Cain and hurts his campaign badly.
He is a viable candidate.

No, he is not. Period.

From where I sit these are the tickets I see as having a remote shot of winning in the General:

Romney/Pawlenty
Romney/Huntsman

That's because they might be able to shave off some "message" progressives and independents.

 

[Seawytch]

When was the last time I saw a liberal run on a gay rights platform? For which election? If we are talking Congress it was 2010. If you are talking President it was 2008. Where were you either of those two years?

I am talking Presidential electiions. And where's Obama on Gay Marriage? Where was he in 2008? I don't know and I supported him then.

In 2008, his position on gay marriage was the same as Bush's.

That is completely false. President Obama does not, nor has he ever, supported an amendment to the Constitution that would limit legal marriage to only a man and a woman.

 

[Stephanie]

Why are Republicans so eager to make pledges to special interest lobbies?

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

you're right, it was SEIU

Obama SEIU's Agenda is My Agenda
YouTube - ‪Obama SEIU's Agenda is My Agenda‬‏

We elected an organizer for SEIU and ACORN to the office of President, and that's exactly what we got-an organizer for SEIU and ACORN, who has put their agenda above the needs of the entire nation.

 

[Stephanie]

I am talking Presidential electiions. And where's Obama on Gay Marriage? Where was he in 2008? I don't know and I supported him then.

In 2008, his position on gay marriage was the same as Bush's.

That is completely false. President Obama does not, nor has he ever, supported an amendment to the Constitution that would limit legal marriage to only a man and a woman.

LOL, that is one way to twist it.

 

[Sallow]

Should they limit themselves to the Teamster's Union and the NAACP?

Who's signing any pledges for the Teamsters or the NAACP?

you're right, it was SEIU

Obama SEIU's Agenda is My Agenda
YouTube - ‪Obama SEIU's Agenda is My Agenda‬‏

We elected an organizer for SEIU and ACORN to the office of President, and that's exactly what we got-an organizer for SEIU and ACORN, who has put their agenda above the needs of the entire nation.

Which is why ACORN is a viable organization now..right?

Oh wait.

 

[Si modo]

Await away. Enlighten yourself.

Ah, then you're just spouting bullshit.

I posted links on page 24 or 25. I even posted excerpts, but off course you're to dumb or lazy to read what you requested. Typical.

Where were these links 'proving' that kids today have both parents present more than kids years ago?

I see nothing by you on pp 24 and 25.

As I said, cite something or it's just bullshit. That's how it works. I don't do YOUR research.

 

[Si modo]

are you having a bad morning, Si?

i have no problem reading. but you're being a bit disingenuous saying it's a "personal" pledge. it's a" personal" pledge to violate the court's decisions on the 1st amendment and to infringe on people's equal protection under the law.

as far as her comments on homosexuality being "choice", she has the right to be as stupid as she wishes.

now, would you be as understanding if the "personal" pledge were to ban guns in this country? or would you say she wanted to violate your constitutional rights, was trying to take away our guns "like they did in nazi germany" and point out the decision in the heller case?

i'm thinking you'd have done the latter.

as for seawytch, i'm afraid that whether someone is a lesbian or not really isn't much concern to me. and if you want to talk about "angry", i'd look more at steffie's lunatic posts. but there ya go.

got to run for a bit... will look back later.

I'm having a great morning, thank you.

You need to read the actual personal pledge and not someone's interpretation of it.

you mean like relying on this opinion?

OPINION: Relax. Bachmann Didn't Pledge To Ban Pornography* - News - Talk Radio News Service: News, Politics, Media

bachmann is a nutbar. and again, if it were a leftie taking a "personal pledge" to do away with guns, you'd be in meltdown.

but glad you were having a good morning.

Good to see that you finally see that she didn't try to 'ban' anything. If we're talking about meltdowns, it's also good to see that you are over yours.

 

[Sallow]

Bachmann..wants us men dead..

It came from the New England Journal of Medicine. Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's breasts is good for a man's health and can add years to his life, medical experts have discovered. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a well-endowed female is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby.

Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients - half of whom were instructed to look at busty females daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates and fewer instances of coronary artery disease.

"Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby. "There's no question: Gazing at breasts makes men healthier." "Our study indicates that engaging in this activity a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart attack in half. We believe that by doing so consistently, the average man can extend his life four to five years."

We men need our porn..dammit.

 

[Seawytch]

So, you WERE complimenting Bachmann and her husband.




Yup, I predicted the lie.

Bitter dyke.

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

Actually, you said you said you were complimenting her husband by calling him gay. That is a lie, but I'm glad you showed yourself to be a liar because now you look like a liar who is also one who tries to weasel out of her lie when called on it. Not that most didn't already know.

...I didn't lie about anything. I, unlike you and the Bachmann's, do not think there is anything negative or bad about being gay. THEY do (as do, I'm sure, most of bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann's supporters)...especially the fabulous Marcus Bachmann whose clinic engages in harmful "reparative therapy" where they believe they can Jesus the ghey out of people.

Marcus Bachmann is gay. He has chosen not to act on his natural inclinations, but the guy has the deepest San Francisco accent I've heard in a while...and I live near SF.

What has history shown us about individuals like Marcus Bachmann who believe that they can deny their natural inclinations towards members of the same sex?

• Larry Craig
• Ted Haggart
• Bob Allen
• George Reekers
• Richard Curtis
• Roy Ashburn
• Ed Schrock

 

[Sallow]

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

Actually, you said you said you were complimenting her husband by calling him gay. That is a lie, but I'm glad you showed yourself to be a liar because now you look like a liar who is also one who tries to weasel out of her lie when called on it. Not that most didn't already know.

...I didn't lie about anything. I, unlike you and the Bachmann's, do not think there is anything negative or bad about being gay. THEY do (as do, I'm sure, most of bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann's supporters)...especially the fabulous Marcus Bachmann whose clinic engages in harmful "reparative therapy" where they believe they can Jesus the ghey out of people.

Marcus Bachmann is gay. He has chosen not to act on his natural inclinations, but the guy has the deepest San Francisco accent I've heard in a while...and I live near SF.

What has history shown us about individuals like Marcus Bachmann who believe that they can deny their natural inclinations towards members of the same sex?

• Larry Craig
• Ted Haggart
• Bob Allen
• George Reekers
• Richard Curtis
• Roy Ashburn
• Ed Schrock

Seriously? You are basing this on the way he talks? I've known people you'd swear were gay by the way they talked and they were hetro..and very hetro at that.

Heck..Listen to Mike Tyson some time.

I doubt you'd want to call him gay to his face.

 

[Si modo]

I was simply stating that the homophobic Bachmman family are throwing stones from a house made of glass. The only bitterness seems to be your own.

Actually, you said you said you were complimenting her husband by calling him gay. That is a lie, but I'm glad you showed yourself to be a liar because now you look like a liar who is also one who tries to weasel out of her lie when called on it. Not that most didn't already know.

...I didn't lie about anything. I, unlike you and the Bachmann's, do not think there is anything negative or bad about being gay. THEY do (as do, I'm sure, most of bat-shit crazy Michelle Bachmann's supporters)...especially the fabulous Marcus Bachmann whose clinic engages in harmful "reparative therapy" where they believe they can Jesus the ghey out of people.

Marcus Bachmann is gay. He has chosen not to act on his natural inclinations, but the guy has the deepest San Francisco accent I've heard in a while...and I live near SF.

What has history shown us about individuals like Marcus Bachmann who believe that they can deny their natural inclinations towards members of the same sex?

• Larry Craig
• Ted Haggart
• Bob Allen
• George Reekers
• Richard Curtis
• Roy Ashburn
• Ed Schrock

Damn, caught in a lie and continuing to deny lying. How pathetic you are.