Average hourly rate of an American is $24.06 or $50,044 per year.

[Moonglow]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

Since when do white collar management types classify as hourly?
The comparison is hourly to hourly workers.
Nice try though

The income is from employees of all non-farm, which would include mid and upper level management..

 

[Wildman]

Why do conservatards hate to see working people getting ahead?

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you are the retard here simpleton, min. wage jobs were NEVER meant for working people to get ahead..., those jobs are meant as "ENTRY LEVEL", i.e., "job experience" etc., etc. is this clear enough for you ? or do you need pictures ??

THANK YOU! Idiots like Mr. Clean don't EVER think they EMOTE!!

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AND...........,
FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL

also so full of

liberdummies are totally incapable of THINKING !!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do conservatards hate to see working people getting ahead?

Oh please stop the nonsense.
What the hell does the min wage have to do with getting ahead?
That tired old narrative has left the building. It is no longer valid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

NO it is NOT true!
Read the facts from the government. Less then 1.8 million age 16 to 24 make minimum wage.
READ the facts! Average fast food place WILL replace the low skilled with robots or customer self service. That's their immediate solution.

They plan on doing it no matter what, so what are you getting at, besides hating a higher min wage?

Stop whining.
No one 'hates' the min wage.
Fact is the is argument has nothing to do with improving people's lives. It is a created narrative to gin up support for democrat candidates.
It is in fact a democrat industry stand by. "When all else fails rely on class warfare."

 

[thereisnospoon]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

Since when do white collar management types classify as hourly?
The comparison is hourly to hourly workers.
Nice try though

The income is from employees of all non-farm, which would include mid and upper level management..

Are white collar management positions classified as hourly?

 

[Moonglow]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

NO it is NOT true!
Read the facts from the government. Less then 1.8 million age 16 to 24 make minimum wage.
READ the facts! Average fast food place WILL replace the low skilled with robots or customer self service. That's their immediate solution.

They plan on doing it no matter what, so what are you getting at, besides hating a higher min wage?

Stop whining.
No one 'hates' the min wage.
Fact is the is argument has nothing to do with improving people's lives. It is a created narrative to gin up support for democrat candidates.
It is in fact a democrat industry stand by. "When all else fails rely on class warfare."

And the GOP is never guilty of the same?

 

[healthmyths]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

Since when do white collar management types classify as hourly?
The comparison is hourly to hourly workers.
Nice try though

The income is from employees of all non-farm, which would include mid and upper level management..

NO you didn't read the table closely! Does NOT include salaried people...ONLY HOURLY!
Again read the below table closer...
In 2012, 75.3 million workers in the United States age 16 and over were paid at hourly rates, representing 59.0 percent of all wage and salary workers
Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

75.3 million represent 59% of all workers... this means 41% are NOT paid hourly but paid a fixed salary...
NOT per hour which 75.3 million are paid.
So the below table is ONLY for those being paid BY THE HOUR... NOT a salary..

Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector seasonally adjusted

 

[healthmyths]

Averages are funny things

Especially when you average an executive making $20 mil with a minimum wage

Is that true healthmyths? These hourly wage employees had their wages lumped in with the executives making millions a year? And you think that number represents the "average" worker eh?

Since when do white collar management types classify as hourly?
The comparison is hourly to hourly workers.
Nice try though

The income is from employees of all non-farm, which would include mid and upper level management..

Are white collar management positions classified as hourly?

See above please as white collar management are almost ALWAYS a fixed salary position...i.e. NOT paid per hour.

 

[Billy000]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

 

[healthmyths]

Again... It is so disheartening to see the gross inability of many people on this forum (that by the way are generally more informed then the average uninformed voter) don't read closely! You people are more ready to "emote"... to "feel" ... to be "compassionate" rather then THINK!
Case in point... unintended consequences of raising minimum wage by nearly 50% will mean businesses buy more robots for the tedious tasks low skill entry level people that perform ...hence they will become unemployed as they by definition have little or no skills!
Minimum wage increases have never been in 50% increments because most logical and economically aware people know you can't do this massive jumps without destroying something... in this case jobs!

 

[thereisnospoon]

The stats sound nice, but in reality most construction workers in my area earn 10-15 an hour...

How do you know?
The government statistics state construction workers make:$26.17 per hour.
Now if you live in Mississippi that might be true... IN WHICH case why raise minimum wage in Mississippi to $10.80?
What state do you live in...

Don't discount the effect illegal aliens have on wages in manual labor professions.

THat would be adverse affect.
The influx of illegal immigrants willing to work for 50 cents on the dollar of the prevailing market wage drags down the market rate
Recently, the Charlotte Observer did a 5 part series on the misclassification of hourly workers. In the series it was reported that not only do employers of immigrant workers pay lower than market rates, they also classify the workers as 'contractors', paying them on 1099's.
The complaint is that most employers are doing this in order to be competitive. Those employers which obey the labor and tax laws have no chance at getting work because their costs are much higher. The businesses are being forced to cheat the taxpayers just to land contracts. And the bottom line for all the stuff we hear out of Washington regarding the plight of the immigrant, we never hear anything about the conditions which are created by our government's failure to enforce immigration laws and failure to enforce labor, tax and compensation laws.
You lefties who whine about the min wage are to blame because you refuse to take your own elected leaders to task.

 

[Billy000]

Again... It is so disheartening to see the gross inability of many people on this forum (that by the way are generally more informed then the average uninformed voter) don't read closely! You people are more ready to "emote"... to "feel" ... to be "compassionate" rather then THINK!
Case in point... unintended consequences of raising minimum wage by nearly 50% will mean businesses buy more robots for the tedious tasks low skill entry level people that perform ...hence they will become unemployed as they by definition have little or no skills!
Minimum wage increases have never been in 50% increments because most logical and economically aware people know you can't do this massive jumps without destroying something... in this case jobs!

Why are you so convinced that would happen? Like I said, raising the wage to 10 would kill very few jobs anyway.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

If that is the case then what is the solution?
What can one do in order to make themselves more marketable to be paid a higher wage?

 

[healthmyths]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

Where would you raise 16 million people when less then 3.5 million make minimum wage?
FACTS where are your FACTS you raise 16 million by raising 3.3 million to $10.80 per hour?
Between age 16 to 24 years,1,797,000 at or below minimum wage..
Tables 1 - 10 Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

Below table shows... 16 to 24 years old make up 673,000
25 years older... 591,000
Total 16 years and older 3.5 million NOT 16 million!!!

 

[Billy000]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

If that is the case then what it the solution?
What can one do in order to make themselves more marketable to be paid a higher wage?

This is what you aren't getting. We are talking about a finite amount of jobs verses the population. Since the recession there has been a significant decrease in high wage jobs and a significant increase in low wage jobs. People are at the mercy of what is available. Personal responsibility, while crucial, is becoming less and less significant based on reality.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Again... It is so disheartening to see the gross inability of many people on this forum (that by the way are generally more informed then the average uninformed voter) don't read closely! You people are more ready to "emote"... to "feel" ... to be "compassionate" rather then THINK!
Case in point... unintended consequences of raising minimum wage by nearly 50% will mean businesses buy more robots for the tedious tasks low skill entry level people that perform ...hence they will become unemployed as they by definition have little or no skills!
Minimum wage increases have never been in 50% increments because most logical and economically aware people know you can't do this massive jumps without destroying something... in this case jobs!

Why are you so convinced that would happen? Like I said, raising the wage to 10 would kill very few jobs anyway.

You have no data to support such a statement.
You also ignore the number of min wage workers is not significant as compared to the total workforce.
Increasing the min wage will affect only one sector of the economy....That is small business. Small business for the most part that operates on small margins.
A significant increase in the min wage would result in small business either to increase prices or decrease their labor costs.

 

[Billy000]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

Where would you raise 16 million people when less then 3.5 million make minimum wage?
FACTS where are your FACTS you raise 16 million by raising 3.3 million to $10.80 per hour?
Between age 16 to 24 years,1,797,000 at or below minimum wage..
Tables 1 - 10 Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

Below table shows... 16 to 24 years old make up 673,000
25 years older... 591,000
Total 16 years and older 3.5 million NOT 16 million!!!
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Holy shit dude listen. I am talking about everyone who makes LESS than 10 an hour. That refers to wider range of people not just the minimum wage earners.

The 16 million stat comes from the CBO.

 

[Billy000]

Again... It is so disheartening to see the gross inability of many people on this forum (that by the way are generally more informed then the average uninformed voter) don't read closely! You people are more ready to "emote"... to "feel" ... to be "compassionate" rather then THINK!
Case in point... unintended consequences of raising minimum wage by nearly 50% will mean businesses buy more robots for the tedious tasks low skill entry level people that perform ...hence they will become unemployed as they by definition have little or no skills!
Minimum wage increases have never been in 50% increments because most logical and economically aware people know you can't do this massive jumps without destroying something... in this case jobs!

Why are you so convinced that would happen? Like I said, raising the wage to 10 would kill very few jobs anyway.

You have no data to support such a statement.
You also ignore the number of min wage workers is not significant as compared to the total workforce.
Increasing the min wage will affect only one sector of the economy....That is small business. Small business for the most part that operates on small margins.
A significant increase in the min wage would result in small business either to increase prices or decrease their labor costs.

Um no it would effect everyone who previously made less than 10 an hour. That is a whole lot more than just minimum wage.

 

[healthmyths]

Again... It is so disheartening to see the gross inability of many people on this forum (that by the way are generally more informed then the average uninformed voter) don't read closely! You people are more ready to "emote"... to "feel" ... to be "compassionate" rather then THINK!
Case in point... unintended consequences of raising minimum wage by nearly 50% will mean businesses buy more robots for the tedious tasks low skill entry level people that perform ...hence they will become unemployed as they by definition have little or no skills!
Minimum wage increases have never been in 50% increments because most logical and economically aware people know you can't do this massive jumps without destroying something... in this case jobs!

Why are you so convinced that would happen? Like I said, raising the wage to 10 would kill very few jobs anyway.

I am looking at this table:
raise the minimum wage of the crew payroll by 50% ($7.25 raised to $10.10 is a $3.55 per hour increase which is 48% more then what the $7.25 figure is now.
Faced with raising the current "Crew Payroll" of $540,000 by 48% means "Crew Payroll" of nearly $800,000 or an increase of $259,000.
Right now below net net profit is $153,900 but with increase of $259,000 due to "crew payroll" increase A LOSS of almost $105,000! A LOSS!
Solution then is NOT to increase Crew Payroll but keep the same with fewer crew members by replacing with robots or more customer self serve!
FACTS... these crew members will be out of a job!

 

[thereisnospoon]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

If that is the case then what it the solution?
What can one do in order to make themselves more marketable to be paid a higher wage?

This is what you aren't getting. We are talking about a finite amount of jobs verses the population. Since the recession there has been a significant decrease in high wage jobs and a significant increase in low wage jobs. People are at the mercy of what is available. Personal responsibility, while crucial, is becoming less and less significant based on reality.

That's a lot of nonsense.
Try searching sites such as careerbuilder.com or monster.com.
There are so many jobs which pay well above min wage, it would make anyone realize that this min wage argument is fruitless.
Or they can start their own business.
Why be at the mercy of someone else's version of what one should be paid for their efforts.
Heck for a minimal investment one can open a home cleaning business.
Or solicit store front businesses to clean their windows.
There are so many opportunities.
I am about to buy a cargo van and open a business doing expediting. If it gets to the point where I cannot handle it all, I will buy a second vehicle with the proceeds from the first vehicle and hire a guy to make runs for me.
I am also going to start umpiring baseball. I can make as much as $400 on a single weekend depending on the level of games I do.