Assuming it was a hoax, what would be the goal of the global warming hoax?

[jc456]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

money, food, prizes and I forgot, control

 

[jc456]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Get the terminology right...

Global warming is soooo 1985

In 1977 it was a man made ice age.

I've got an idea, lets invent a problem that cannot be proven to not really exist since it happens naturally and insist that the cause is the fault of the prosperity of the greatest industrial and economic juggernaut the world has ever seen. We can use our influence in academia since we're all "scientists" or at least we can bullshit enough people to believe we are, along with a leftist media that hates capitalism in principle to convince a voting public that this "problem" can only be solved if their elected representatives give us billions of dollars to do more "research" while we fly around the world convincing people that all the "scientists" in the world need even more money to develop shit that no company would attempt to market because it will NEVER turn a profit and will have to be subsidized at tax payer expense.

In the mean time we can help other useless bed wetters like us get rich selling stupid shit like "carbon credits" to the mindless drones who our peers indoctrinate in public schools.

It's a fool proof....

No it's a fool dependent plan.

we need many scientist, as many as possible to agree with this so anyone requesting funding must agree with us or they get zero dollars.

 

[jc456]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Transfer of wealth, communism.

Transfer of wealth and communism are two VERY different things.
Did you know in the XIX century the US government engaged in one of the largest welfare programs in history by handing out land to anyone who worked on it ?

That said, I would rather like to know how installing a couple of pannels and a solar heater in a roof and using a 100 mpg vehicle brings any country closer to communism.

it doesn't, however, your two examples are failing falling flat on their face. Why?

 

[jc456]

Too Funny:

The alarmists think they can just spew their crap and everyone would believe them... Old Fraud posts the same crap over and over expecting a different result.

Their models are broken and fail 100% of the time..
Their predictions have failed over and over again..
The satellite data and US-CRN data shows their adjustments fraud..

It is a hoax designed to take freedoms away and assert power over the US and world populace, GLOBAL GOVERNANCE under SOCIALIST CONTROL.. It always has been..

Keeping the spirit of the OP:

Their models are broken and fail 100% of the time.. : Ok , assumed as true
Their predictions have failed over and over again.. : Ok , assumed as true
The satellite data and US-CRN data shows their adjustments fraud.. : ok , assumed as true

So , just ellaborate on your final phrase:
"It is a hoax designed to take freedoms away and assert power over the US and world populace, GLOBAL GOVERNANCE under SOCIALIST CONTROL."
How will freedoms be taken away ?
Who will assert power over the US and world populace ?
Who will be in charge of the global governance under socialist control ? Which country would be orchestrating this ?

seriously?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

 

[jc456]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

why?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

 

[ClosedCaption]

I think the goal if its a Hoax is to do things that are vague. Like control something and money to somewhere. So far thats been the message.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

Yeah, but not peeing in the drinking water is "control" too. I'm asking to what end.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

Yeah, but not peeing in the drinking water is "control" too. I'm asking to what end.

Climate change legislation is just another ruse to enrich those who will benefit from the legislation. Why do you think Al Gore is so hopped up about it? He stands to make a fortune. If he really cared about the planet he would reduce his own rather large carbon footprint wouldn't he?

None of these idiots care about saving the planet in fact I think most just want to stick to the US and the rest of the developed world it's all a fraud

 

[ClosedCaption]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

Yeah, but not peeing in the drinking water is "control" too. I'm asking to what end.

Climate change legislation is just another ruse to enrich those who will benefit from the legislation. Why do you think Al Gore is so hopped up about it? He stands to make a fortune. If he really cared about the planet he would reduce his own rather large carbon footprint wouldn't he?

None of these idiots care about saving the planet in fact I think most just want to stick to the US and the rest of the developed world it's all a fraud

But that doesnt prove that its a hoax because someone would make money. No one would say AIDS was fake because Pharma companies are going to make money.

Same thing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Control

The sole aim of government is to increase controls on the population

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

Yeah, but not peeing in the drinking water is "control" too. I'm asking to what end.

Climate change legislation is just another ruse to enrich those who will benefit from the legislation. Why do you think Al Gore is so hopped up about it? He stands to make a fortune. If he really cared about the planet he would reduce his own rather large carbon footprint wouldn't he?

None of these idiots care about saving the planet in fact I think most just want to stick to the US and the rest of the developed world it's all a fraud

But that doesnt prove that its a hoax because someone would make money. No one would say AIDS was fake because Pharma companies are going to make money.

Same thing.

Not really because governments didn't pass laws about sexual behavior and levy taxes and make sweetheart deals with pharma companies as they are doing with so climate change and so called green energy companies.

 

[westwall]

The two most simple reasons ever....money and power.

Westwall, your explanation seems oversimplified, please ellaborate.

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them.

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.
An acceptable argument, but then, isn't that capitalism's goal : invest to reap billions ?
Except the part where you state : shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other, true, it does seem like a huge effort to get to the same point, unless it is done at the right pace : some energy plants have to be decomissioned as they get old.
I understand this part and it seems a valid concern.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them
Ah , and here we go again : this
"take ever more control over how people live, work , travel"
No , I don't think this is related to AGW and green technologies.
and then
"with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop the other to reduce the human footprint on the planet".
Manhatan or Hong-kong style appartment buildings ? My point of view is that this is a byproduct of speculation on housing and real estate in general and is unrelated to AGW. Also , modern buildings are not particularly green : they need an elevator which becomes an energy hog after the 10th floor and there is no way to make them energy independent: I've done my calculations : a 4 person household needs at least 4,000 sq foot of land to be energy independent, and that is assuming you get a 100+ mpg car. So , I might not agree with you on the AGW, but I will agree with you on this: anyone who tells me that I should live in a crammed appartment with little space and no greenery should get the middle finger.

No, the use of government to pass laws that benefit your corporation and punish the middle class and poor is the very definition of fascism, not capitalism.

Here you go. "Passive" houses. The new "sustainable" designs. The thinking being that to counter the overpopulation non problem you must squish mankind into small footprints.


Passivhaus Institut

But then the same can be said about oil companies , specially those engaging in fracking and tar sands and those ripping the artificial benefits of zirp (zero interest rate policy ) . Yes it is a form of fascism, but its only the name of the company that changes not the actual fascist policy.

Regarding the designs the one in the upper picture doesn't quite convince me.
The one in the lower picture looks interesting though... or are there two views of the same design ? Ok, five floors is a no go for me.
Ah, and I must correct my figure : 600 sq feet of land are enough for a househould of four ( think of a two flor house for a total of 1200 ft2 of living space), that's about the minimum, you can have three or four story buildings but that's about it. Anything higher simply stops you from achieving energy independence.

The oil companies ARE playing in the green energy field. Koch Bros. are heavily invested in bio fuels as an example. They realize that normal jet fuel costs about 5 bucks a gallon, but just imagine how much better your profits can be when the government MANDATES that you use bio fuels that cost 35 dollars a gallon. Corporations don't care how badly that hurts the middle class. they just see the profits to be made by having their favorite politician pass laws that benefit THEM.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Control of what?

Human behavior what else

Government has a long history of conducting ham handed social engineering experiments

Yeah, but not peeing in the drinking water is "control" too. I'm asking to what end.

Climate change legislation is just another ruse to enrich those who will benefit from the legislation. Why do you think Al Gore is so hopped up about it? He stands to make a fortune. If he really cared about the planet he would reduce his own rather large carbon footprint wouldn't he?

None of these idiots care about saving the planet in fact I think most just want to stick to the US and the rest of the developed world it's all a fraud

But that doesnt prove that its a hoax because someone would make money. No one would say AIDS was fake because Pharma companies are going to make money.

Same thing.

Not really because governments didn't pass laws about sexual behavior and levy taxes and make sweetheart deals with pharma companies as they are doing with so climate change and so called green energy companies.

Thats because you cant pass laws on sexual behavior but you can create laws to say dont pee in the drinking water. Thats a form of "control" and for good reason.

So far no one has said what this "control" will be and how its not worth a cleaner earth.

 

[jillian]

Money

I suppose it might look that way if you're uneducated, uninformed and gubmint-hating

 

[ClosedCaption]

You give them an open forum and they cant even make the point, they just throw out scary words without explanation.

MONEY!
CONTROL!
COMMUNISM!

 

[CultureCitizen]

Westwall, your explanation seems oversimplified, please ellaborate.

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them.

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.
An acceptable argument, but then, isn't that capitalism's goal : invest to reap billions ?
Except the part where you state : shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other, true, it does seem like a huge effort to get to the same point, unless it is done at the right pace : some energy plants have to be decomissioned as they get old.
I understand this part and it seems a valid concern.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them
Ah , and here we go again : this
"take ever more control over how people live, work , travel"
No , I don't think this is related to AGW and green technologies.
and then
"with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop the other to reduce the human footprint on the planet".
Manhatan or Hong-kong style appartment buildings ? My point of view is that this is a byproduct of speculation on housing and real estate in general and is unrelated to AGW. Also , modern buildings are not particularly green : they need an elevator which becomes an energy hog after the 10th floor and there is no way to make them energy independent: I've done my calculations : a 4 person household needs at least 4,000 sq foot of land to be energy independent, and that is assuming you get a 100+ mpg car. So , I might not agree with you on the AGW, but I will agree with you on this: anyone who tells me that I should live in a crammed appartment with little space and no greenery should get the middle finger.

No, the use of government to pass laws that benefit your corporation and punish the middle class and poor is the very definition of fascism, not capitalism.

Here you go. "Passive" houses. The new "sustainable" designs. The thinking being that to counter the overpopulation non problem you must squish mankind into small footprints.


Passivhaus Institut

But then the same can be said about oil companies , specially those engaging in fracking and tar sands and those ripping the artificial benefits of zirp (zero interest rate policy ) . Yes it is a form of fascism, but its only the name of the company that changes not the actual fascist policy.

Regarding the designs the one in the upper picture doesn't quite convince me.
The one in the lower picture looks interesting though... or are there two views of the same design ? Ok, five floors is a no go for me.
Ah, and I must correct my figure : 600 sq feet of land are enough for a househould of four ( think of a two flor house for a total of 1200 ft2 of living space), that's about the minimum, you can have three or four story buildings but that's about it. Anything higher simply stops you from achieving energy independence.

The oil companies ARE playing in the green energy field. Koch Bros. are heavily invested in bio fuels as an example. They realize that normal jet fuel costs about 5 bucks a gallon, but just imagine how much better your profits can be when the government MANDATES that you use bio fuels that cost 35 dollars a gallon. Corporations don't care how badly that hurts the middle class. they just see the profits to be made by having their favorite politician pass laws that benefit THEM.

Westwall,
I think we have VERY different views on what constitutes clean and renewable energy.
I am wary about biofuels; biofuels are only viable if :
a) You have a tropical country
b) You use a high yield product like switchgrass ( still in research) or sugar cane.
Using corn as biofuel is nonesense, period.
And my vision of green renewable energy tends to foucus more on achieving energy independence than on getting fuel from large corporations. So I guess we agree on this : corn biofuel is a hoax and a danger.

By the by green houses should look like the ones on this link imo :
4 Amazing Australian Eco Houses

 

[westwall]

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them.

Goldman Sachs, The Koch Brothers, The World Bank Group, and a whole host of other financial groups have invested millions into the climate change meme. All with the desire to reap huge profits for the privilege of shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other. The IPCC estimates it will cost 76 trillion dollars to change the worlds system of energy production to a green one. All of those financial groups will be payed enormous sums of money to do it.
An acceptable argument, but then, isn't that capitalism's goal : invest to reap billions ?
Except the part where you state : shuffling paper from one side of the room to the other, true, it does seem like a huge effort to get to the same point, unless it is done at the right pace : some energy plants have to be decomissioned as they get old.
I understand this part and it seems a valid concern.

Politicians and governments are using the climate change meme to take ever more control over how people live, work, travel (or not as the case may be) with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop he other to reduce the human footprint on the planet. The wealthy though will of course still be allowed to enjoy the beauty of the wild and better yet they won't have any of those pesky poor people around to annoy them
Ah , and here we go again : this
"take ever more control over how people live, work , travel"
No , I don't think this is related to AGW and green technologies.
and then
"with the eventual desire to have all of the peons of the world living in apartments of around 600 square feet stacked one atop the other to reduce the human footprint on the planet".
Manhatan or Hong-kong style appartment buildings ? My point of view is that this is a byproduct of speculation on housing and real estate in general and is unrelated to AGW. Also , modern buildings are not particularly green : they need an elevator which becomes an energy hog after the 10th floor and there is no way to make them energy independent: I've done my calculations : a 4 person household needs at least 4,000 sq foot of land to be energy independent, and that is assuming you get a 100+ mpg car. So , I might not agree with you on the AGW, but I will agree with you on this: anyone who tells me that I should live in a crammed appartment with little space and no greenery should get the middle finger.

No, the use of government to pass laws that benefit your corporation and punish the middle class and poor is the very definition of fascism, not capitalism.

Here you go. "Passive" houses. The new "sustainable" designs. The thinking being that to counter the overpopulation non problem you must squish mankind into small footprints.


Passivhaus Institut

But then the same can be said about oil companies , specially those engaging in fracking and tar sands and those ripping the artificial benefits of zirp (zero interest rate policy ) . Yes it is a form of fascism, but its only the name of the company that changes not the actual fascist policy.

Regarding the designs the one in the upper picture doesn't quite convince me.
The one in the lower picture looks interesting though... or are there two views of the same design ? Ok, five floors is a no go for me.
Ah, and I must correct my figure : 600 sq feet of land are enough for a househould of four ( think of a two flor house for a total of 1200 ft2 of living space), that's about the minimum, you can have three or four story buildings but that's about it. Anything higher simply stops you from achieving energy independence.

The oil companies ARE playing in the green energy field. Koch Bros. are heavily invested in bio fuels as an example. They realize that normal jet fuel costs about 5 bucks a gallon, but just imagine how much better your profits can be when the government MANDATES that you use bio fuels that cost 35 dollars a gallon. Corporations don't care how badly that hurts the middle class. they just see the profits to be made by having their favorite politician pass laws that benefit THEM.

Westwall,
I think we have VERY different views on what constitutes clean and renewable energy.
I am wary about biofuels; biofuels are only viable if :
a) You have a tropical country
b) You use a high yield product like switchgrass ( still in research) or sugar cane.
Using corn as biofuel is nonesense, period.
And my vision of green renewable energy tends to foucus more on achieving energy independence than on getting fuel from large corporations. So I guess we agree on this : corn biofuel is a hoax and a danger.

By the by green houses should look like the ones on this link imo :
4 Amazing Australian Eco Houses

And yet, that is what our government is pushing. Our government, thanks to corporate prodding is mandating that we do the exact opposite of what is beneficial for the people of this country.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Many conservatives call global warming a hoax. Ok , for a moment I'll assume it is a hoax, but to what end?
Plain fun? Government controll ? International plot ?

Transfer of wealth, communism.

Transfer of wealth and communism are two VERY different things.
Did you know in the XIX century the US government engaged in one of the largest welfare programs in history by handing out land to anyone who worked on it ?

That said, I would rather like to know how installing a couple of pannels and a solar heater in a roof and using a 100 mpg vehicle brings any country closer to communism.

I know it's two different things, that's why each is listed.
Manmade global warming is not about adding some solar panels. Leftard Calif has changed all of the regulations to kill new solar.
It's about taking money from those who have it and the government taking control of every aspect of our citizens.

Hmm "taking money from those who have it" is a very broad argument.
I have money, and it is being taken away by zirp, so there is little incentive to save it in the bank and more to speculate in the bank.
Also zirp transfers wealth from small savers to big companies who are able to get free money.
Government takes away money from almost everyone ( VAT , income tax, corporate tax , duties ) .
When I get paid I take money from those who have it : my employers.
My point being that your argument is to broad , so you should ellaborate on how green energy will take money from those who have it.

 

[westwall]

Money

I suppose it might look that way if you're uneducated, uninformed and gubmint-hating

Not entirely true. Normal jet fuel costs 5 bucks. Bio fuel, which the government wants to mandate the airlines use and which Virgin's owner Branson is heavily invested in, costs 35 bucks a gallon. So yeah, it is about money,....