Assisted Suicide rate in Canada is 4.45 times the gun suicide rate in the U.S....but......guns?

[The5thHorseman]

It's not about me, the statistics don't lie.

What "statistics" are those?

 

[The5thHorseman]

And the point of the thread is people who wish to die will choose to do whether or not they have access to a gun.

No, it isn't.

 

[2aguy]

That makes sense to you?

Yeah....it does....left wing, atheist, socialists have murdered over 200 million innocent people since 1917.............

What individuals?

The hypothetical individuals of the future who may be faced not with a choice or a right, but an expectation or obligation?

Because that's what I'm talking about.

It's a core concern of those thoughtfully considering right to die issues.

If you say so; maybe *they* are and maybe *they* aren't, but I'm talking about a future where this *right* is normalized to what might be a dangerous extent.

See above; hope you're clear now.

It will be....likely to the point that pressure will be applied, incentives will be created......die or have your benefits cut dramatically.......the left will come up with all kinds of ways to get people to "volunter," to die.....

The left sees the movie "Soylent Green," as a guide, not a warning....

 

[The5thHorseman]

Actually, it is the heart of the matter.

No, it isn't.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Yeah....it does....left wing, atheist, socialists have murdered over 200 million innocent people since 1917.............



It will be....likely to the point that pressure will be applied, incentives will be created......die or have your benefits cut dramatically.......the left will come up with all kinds of ways to get people to "volunter," to die.....

The left sees the movie "Soylent Green," as a guide, not a warning....

Where is your source?

 

[2aguy]

Where is your source?

Here...........

This is R. J. Rummel's fourth book in a series devoted to genocide and government mass murder, or what he calls democide. He presents the primary results, in tables and figures, as well as a historical sketch of the major cases of democide, those in which one million or more people were killed by a regime. In Death by Government, Rummel does not aim to describe democide itself, but to determine its nature and scope in order to test the theory that democracies are inherently nonviolent. Rummel discusses genocide in China, Nazi Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Poland, the Soviet Union, and Pakistan. He also writes about areas of suspected genocide: North Korea, Mexico, and feudal Russia. His results clearly and decisively show that democracies commit less democide than other regimes. The underlying principle is that the less freedom people have, the greater the violence; the more freedom, the less the violence. Thus, as Rummel says, “The problem is power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom.” Death by Government is a compelling look at the horrors that occur in modern societies. It depicts how democide has been very much a part of human history. Among other examples, the book includes the massacre of Europeans during the Thirty Years' War, the relatively unknown genocide of the French Revolution, and the slaughtering of American Indians by colonists in the New World. This riveting account is an essential tool for historians, political scientists, and scholars interested in the study of genocide.
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Death by Government

This is R. J. Rummel's fourth book in a series devoted to genocide and government mass murder, or what he calls democide. He presents the primary results, in tables and figures, as well as a historical sketch of the major cases of democide, those in which one million or more people were killed...

books.google.com

 

[2aguy]

Where is your source?

I posted my source....but this is off topic from the thread....if you want to continue to discuss it, take it to another thread...

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

 

[Bell Huey]

No, it isn't.

I am damn certain the purpose of this thread was to point out to the gunophobes that whether or not people have a gun they will find a way to kill themselves.

 

[2aguy]

I am damn certain the purpose of this thread was to point out to the gunophobes that whether or not people have a gun they will find a way to kill themselves.

Yep........and then it was distracted by the assisted suicide discussion....I also started a discussion in the Canada thread for that, since this thread was more to deal with the anti-gun extremists who try to use suicide to attack gun ownership.....

 

[The5thHorseman]

Here...........

This is R. J. Rummel's fourth book in a series devoted to genocide and government mass murder, or what he calls democide. He presents the primary results, in tables and figures, as well as a historical sketch of the major cases of democide, those in which one million or more people were killed by a regime. In Death by Government, Rummel does not aim to describe democide itself, but to determine its nature and scope in order to test the theory that democracies are inherently nonviolent. Rummel discusses genocide in China, Nazi Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Poland, the Soviet Union, and Pakistan. He also writes about areas of suspected genocide: North Korea, Mexico, and feudal Russia. His results clearly and decisively show that democracies commit less democide than other regimes. The underlying principle is that the less freedom people have, the greater the violence; the more freedom, the less the violence. Thus, as Rummel says, “The problem is power. The solution is democracy. The course of action is to foster freedom.” Death by Government is a compelling look at the horrors that occur in modern societies. It depicts how democide has been very much a part of human history. Among other examples, the book includes the massacre of Europeans during the Thirty Years' War, the relatively unknown genocide of the French Revolution, and the slaughtering of American Indians by colonists in the New World. This riveting account is an essential tool for historians, political scientists, and scholars interested in the study of genocide.
« Less

Death by Government

This is R. J. Rummel's fourth book in a series devoted to genocide and government mass murder, or what he calls democide. He presents the primary results, in tables and figures, as well as a historical sketch of the major cases of democide, those in which one million or more people were killed...

books.google.com

Do you include Nazis among the "left wing"?

 

[The5thHorseman]

I posted my source....but this is off topic from the thread....if you want to continue to discuss it, take it to another thread...

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

I didn't bring it up, you did.

Perhaps you should avoid the rhetorical flourishes.

 

[The5thHorseman]

I am damn certain the purpose of this thread was to point out to the gunophobes that whether or not people have a gun they will find a way to kill themselves.

No...it isn't.

What does ASSISTED suicide have to do with it?

 

[Bell Huey]

No...it isn't.

What does ASSISTED suicide have to do with it?

I'm good:

Yep........and then it was distracted by the assisted suicide discussion....I also started a discussion in the Canada thread for that, since this thread was more to deal with the anti-gun extremists who try to use suicide to attack gun ownership.....

Try again.

 

[2aguy]

Do you include Nazis among the "left wing"?

They are.......left wing socialists......

 

[Blues Man]

Did I say anyone was?

The problem is when a right *MAY* become and expectation or obligation, as I said.

Slippery slope; an easy, peasy Soylent Greensy *solution* to society's self-created problems...

And monkeys MAY fly out your butt

 

[marvin martian]

Do you include Nazis among the "left wing"?

Of course. That's what they are.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Of course. That's what they are.

But they burn books, like you people..

 

[Bell Huey]

But they burn books, like you people..

Says the guy who is quiet about the woke left wanting to change books and movies because of content not flattering to certain groups of people.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Says the guy who is quiet about the woke left wanting to change books and movies because of content not flattering to certain groups of people.

How would you know?

We only just met....

 

[Bell Huey]

How would you know?

We only just met....

I have been here long enough to understand what you will criticize and what you won't.

But, I am curious if you now understand that when people decide to kill themselves they will do it regardless of possessing a gun or not.