Assad is an enemy of Isil, but not the West’s ally

[Sally]

Assad is an enemy of Isil, but not the West’s ally
Telegraph View: The persistence of the odious Syrian president in the face of Isil has exposed the incoherent of Western foreign policy

It is hard to see any solution to the Syrian tragedy which does not involve Western reconciliation with al-Assad Photo: Rex


By Telegraph View

8:15PM GMT 10 Feb 2015

2 Comments


The BBC’s interview with President Bashar al–Assad was a reminder of an inconvenient truth for Western policy-makers: the Syrian leader is still in place and is no closer to being ousted than he was before the civil war began four years ago. It can sometimes be hard to reconcile Assad’s soft-spoken emollience with the tyrant who has countenanced the gassing of his own people and the destruction of much of his country. But for all his efforts to convince international opinion that he is the injured party, he bears the greatest responsibility for the disaster that has overtaken Syria.

Moreover, his refusal to accept any blame for the baleful progress of the war, or to acknowledge the appalling behaviour of his armed forces, is an insult to our intelligence. His flippant denial of the use of barrel bombs against civilians was especially egregious.

Continue reading at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11403949/Assad-is-an-

 

[TheOldSchool]

Duh. Every power in the middle east is run by religious zealots who don't give a damn about America. Assad's just another lunatic.

 

[rdean]

No one in the Middle East is a friend to the US. No one. That's why Republicans fucked up sending our kids there to die. If they had bothered with education and history, they would have known. But for Republicans, education is for snobs.

 

[Sally]

No one in the Middle East is a friend to the US. No one. That's why Republicans fucked up sending our kids there to die. If they had bothered with education and history, they would have known. But for Republicans, education is for snobs.

Every time you come to this forum, you have to drag Republicans in. You actually sound like a broken record. Do you think you could ever respond to a thread without doing this?

 

[Jroc]

No one in the Middle East is a friend to the US. No one. That's why Republicans fucked up sending our kids there to die. If they had bothered with education and history, they would have known. But for Republicans, education is for snobs.

Every time you come to this forum, you have to drag Republicans in. You actually sound like a broken record. Do you think you could ever respond to a thread without doing this?

No he's a clone he's cant think for himself

 

[Sunni Man]

Assad is an enemy of Isil, but not the West’s ally
Telegraph View: The persistence of the odious Syrian president in the face of Isil has exposed the incoherent of Western foreign policy

It is hard to see any solution to the Syrian tragedy which does not involve Western reconciliation with al-Assad Photo: Rex


By Telegraph View

8:15PM GMT 10 Feb 2015

2 Comments


The BBC’s interview with President Bashar al–Assad was a reminder of an inconvenient truth for Western policy-makers: the Syrian leader is still in place and is no closer to being ousted than he was before the civil war began four years ago. It can sometimes be hard to reconcile Assad’s soft-spoken emollience with the tyrant who has countenanced the gassing of his own people and the destruction of much of his country. But for all his efforts to convince international opinion that he is the injured party, he bears the greatest responsibility for the disaster that has overtaken Syria.

Moreover, his refusal to accept any blame for the baleful progress of the war, or to acknowledge the appalling behaviour of his armed forces, is an insult to our intelligence. His flippant denial of the use of barrel bombs against civilians was especially egregious.

Continue reading at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11403949/Assad-is-an-

Do tell........

 

[montelatici]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example? Especially given that it is the least religious and most secular government in the Middle East, including Israel. Heck, the Syrian Army has Christian officers and soldiers in it.

 

[Jroc]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

 

[montelatici]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

 

[Roudy]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

 

[montelatici]

The notion that the only reason that the Islamist militias emerged in Syria is because we created a vacuum by not adequately arming the secular rebels is laughable nonsense. Syria has long had its own Sunni fundamentalist underground. In 1982, when then President Hafez al-Assad perpetrated the Hama massacre, it was in an effort to wipe out those Syrian Islamists. So, yes, there are cultural roots for pluralism in Syria, a country with many Christians and secular (mostly Shiite) Muslims, but there’s also the opposite. Don't kid yourself.

Just look at who was funding the "good" rebels Qatar and Saudi Arabia Sunni fundamentalist monarchies that oppose democratic, pluralistic politics in their own countries.

Christians in Syria overwhelmingly support the Government and are members of the armed forces, especially the officer corps. That should tell Christians around the world who they should support. If the rebels succeed, it will mean the end of Christians in Syria.

 

[Roudy]

The notion that the only reason that the Islamist militias emerged in Syria is because we created a vacuum by not adequately arming the secular rebels is laughable nonsense. Syria has long had its own Sunni fundamentalist underground. In 1982, when then President Hafez al-Assad perpetrated the Hama massacre, it was in an effort to wipe out those Syrian Islamists. So, yes, there are cultural roots for pluralism in Syria, a country with many Christians and secular (mostly Shiite) Muslims, but there’s also the opposite. Don't kid yourself.

Just look at who was funding the "good" rebels Qatar and Saudi Arabia Sunni fundamentalist monarchies that oppose democratic, pluralistic politics in their own countries.

Christians in Syria overwhelmingly support the Government and are members of the armed forces, especially the officer corps. That should tell Christians around the world who they should support. If the rebels succeed, it will mean the end of Christians in Syria.

So what you're saying is all these Arab nations have this fundamentalist element that will eventually take over, and the best option is to continue having these brutal iron fisted dictators to keep the Islamic animals in check?

 

[DriftingSand]

No one in the Middle East is a friend to the US. No one. That's why Republicans fucked up sending our kids there to die. If they had bothered with education and history, they would have known. But for Republicans, education is for snobs.

Are you saying that no Liberals died fighting for their country? Not surprising -- actually.

 

[Bleipriester]

Assad is an enemy of Isil, but not the West’s ally
Telegraph View: The persistence of the odious Syrian president in the face of Isil has exposed the incoherent of Western foreign policy

It is hard to see any solution to the Syrian tragedy which does not involve Western reconciliation with al-Assad Photo: Rex


By Telegraph View

8:15PM GMT 10 Feb 2015

2 Comments


The BBC’s interview with President Bashar al–Assad was a reminder of an inconvenient truth for Western policy-makers: the Syrian leader is still in place and is no closer to being ousted than he was before the civil war began four years ago. It can sometimes be hard to reconcile Assad’s soft-spoken emollience with the tyrant who has countenanced the gassing of his own people and the destruction of much of his country. But for all his efforts to convince international opinion that he is the injured party, he bears the greatest responsibility for the disaster that has overtaken Syria.

Moreover, his refusal to accept any blame for the baleful progress of the war, or to acknowledge the appalling behaviour of his armed forces, is an insult to our intelligence. His flippant denial of the use of barrel bombs against civilians was especially egregious.

Continue reading at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11403949/Assad-is-an-

Filthy western daubers in their stinky and unwashed bum dresses mourn over their lost al-qaeda revolution and - out of their filthy rat holes that consist of lies - throw dirt after the great Syrian President by blaming the terrorist´s crimes on him.

Remember, people, what has been leaked:

 

[RandomVariable]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

 

[Roadrunner]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

Israel and the US did not create ISIS/ISIL.

This is all part of ancient hate between various Muslim sects, complicated by Western interference.

Now that we know we don't need Saudi oil, we need to let these fuckers sort it out.

Sure, millions will die as they determine the rightful heir of Mohammed, but, WTF, they will be too busy to bother us.

 

[Jroc]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

Bullshit we aren't 'Cooperating" with the mass murderer Assad, and we don't need the mullahs of Iran for shit. They should be driven out of power. Iran with a nuke will change the world as we know it

 

[RandomVariable]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

Bullshit we aren't 'Cooperating" with the mass murderer Assad, and we don't need the mullahs of Iran for shit. They should be driven out of power. Iran with a nuke will change the world as we know it

Israel keeps screwing up and it is going to lose that little piece of sand it likes to call home.

 

[Bleipriester]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

Bullshit we aren't 'Cooperating" with the mass murderer Assad, and we don't need the mullahs of Iran for shit. They should be driven out of power. Iran with a nuke will change the world as we know it

Why is Israel handing out Golan to Al-Nusra and ISIS?

 

[RandomVariable]

I am just wondering what is "odious" about the current Syrian government compared to the Saudi, Bahrain, Egyptian, Yemeni, or Kuwait governments, for example?

200,000 dead

Do you mean that resisting an Islamist takeover of the secular Syrian government was wrong? What do you think would happen to the Christians in Syria if the Government had not defended itself. How many of the dead are at the hands of ISIS and/or Al Nousra? As far as I can tell Saudi Arabia is far more odious:

SAUDI ARABIA: OUR BEHEADINGS ARE MORE ‘LEGITIMATE’ THAN THE ISLAMIC STATE’S

"Saudi Arabian government officials faced extreme backlash after a leaked video showed the brutal public beheading of a woman, who proclaimed her innocence as a man chopped off her head. The video led to many comparisons to the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), who also behead their victims in public."

Saudi Arabia Disputes Comparisons to ISIS Punishments

You got the order wrong. There was a Syrian uprising to remove Assad, which was secular. Assad started slaughtering his people using the military, he even dropped chemical weapons. Once the Syrian people realized that Obama and his red line are full of shit, the empty void was filled by Islamic savages who are competing with Assad as to who can kill more innocent people. Had Obama, the Arabs, and the West acted properly and when they needed to, this crisis could have easily been avoided. This is what happens when you have a half Muslim Chamberlain for president of the US and leader of the free world, at a time when we need a Churchill.

The chemical 'attack' was from the rebels. Probably why Britain quickly and somewhat gracefully found an exit out of the red-line coalition. Bottom line is the U.S. can not hope to defeat ISIS, the creature it and Israel created, without coordination with Syria and Iran.

Israel and the US did not create ISIS/ISIL.

This is all part of ancient hate between various Muslim sects, complicated by Western interference.

Now that we know we don't need Saudi oil, we need to let these fuckers sort it out.

Sure, millions will die as they determine the rightful heir of Mohammed, but, WTF, they will be too busy to bother us.

Know any other organization that has been able to do what ISIS has. You could chose from anywhere in history.

A hand grenade sits there as a small metal object and then, in less than a second, becomes a huge explosion. That is because someone put a lot of effort into putting the hand grenade together.