As politicians have forced multiculturalism / diversity on Americans has America improved for Americans? Is there data to prove it?

[BlackSand]

Unfortunately, the freedom that you speak of includes the freedom of people to violate the freedoms of other people.
The freedom to abuse and enslave other people.

One of the primary purposes of Government is to protect people from other people - to insure freedom from persecution.
Your concept of absolute freedom is just plain childish (as is your style of faux intellectualism).

Don't worry about it ... I'm not going to steal your Kool-Aid.
That shit is poison ...


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[OldFlame]

Equal rights and opportunity do not in any way conflict with diversity. Equal rights and opportunity are required to support diversity.

AND

visa versa.

The only way you can facilitate Equal Rights though governing exists in what you don't do to, or for, anyone.
Diversity on the other hand is an attempt to handicap imaginary equality through governance as a means to produce an unachievable result.

In reality ... Equality only exists in applied mathematics or the absence of applied variables ...
Even on a basic molecular level ... You are not equal to yourself for a fraction of a second ... And true diversity is inherent in everything.

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Your concepts of diversity and equality are silly.

Was Thomas Jefferson mathematically wrong when he asserted that "All men are created equal"?

Perhaps he meant in a political, sociological and legal sense, not a mathematical sense. He did not mean that all men were of equal height and weight.

The way you insure FREEDOM is to insure equal rights and opportunity regardless of the differences between people. That's DIVERSITY!

What they're trying to implement is equal outcome, at least for some, certainly not for themselves since their 'outcome' is already vastly more than the average person. 'They' being the wealthy, those in power and pulling all the strings.

What evidence do you have that anyone is trying to force 'equal outcomes'? We DO NOT have equal opportunity by a long shot, instead we've called 'some opportunity' 'equal opportunity'.

Besides equal opportunity is a whole different discussion.

We're discussing Multiculturalism and diversity, which means that people who are different from the majority of people will not be persecuted.

Evidence? It's all around you, massive redistribution of wealth is the biggest, the normalization of fringe lifestyles into the mainstream, acceptance of students into colleges who have no business being accepted to a university, shoving kids along in the education system that should be failed, potential forgiveness of student loan debt, and the list goes on and on. And you're right, opportunity is not equal, if you're a poor minority, but at least do moderately well in school, you'll have options for all sorts of financial aid assistance to go to college, if you're a middle or even low middle income white student, you better hope your parents are willing to sign on the dotted line in order for you to go to school.

And we're at the point where the majority is now being persecuted in deference to all the fringe minority groups, and it's been institutionalized as well using cancel culture in all its glorious forms. If you're a white conservative, your opinion is not only not wanted, you may pay the price for verbalizing it. And 'different from the majority' is a fallacy in and of itself, everyone is different and unique in their own way, it's the grouping and categorizing that the left loves to promote so they can pitch each against the other to cause hate and division. If you don't see all of this happening, then you're willfully blind.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Equal rights and opportunity do not in any way conflict with diversity. Equal rights and opportunity are required to support diversity.

AND

visa versa.

The only way you can facilitate Equal Rights though governing exists in what you don't do to, or for, anyone.
Diversity on the other hand is an attempt to handicap imaginary equality through governance as a means to produce an unachievable result.

In reality ... Equality only exists in applied mathematics or the absence of applied variables ...
Even on a basic molecular level ... You are not equal to yourself for a fraction of a second ... And true diversity is inherent in everything.

.

Your concepts of diversity and equality are silly.

Was Thomas Jefferson mathematically wrong when he asserted that "All men are created equal"?

Perhaps he meant in a political, sociological and legal sense, not a mathematical sense. He did not mean that all men were of equal height and weight.

The way you insure FREEDOM is to insure equal rights and opportunity regardless of the differences between people. That's DIVERSITY!

What they're trying to implement is equal outcome, at least for some, certainly not for themselves since their 'outcome' is already vastly more than the average person. 'They' being the wealthy, those in power and pulling all the strings.

What evidence do you have that anyone is trying to force 'equal outcomes'? We DO NOT have equal opportunity by a long shot, instead we've called 'some opportunity' 'equal opportunity'.

Besides equal opportunity is a whole different discussion.

We're discussing Multiculturalism and diversity, which means that people who are different from the majority of people will not be persecuted.

Evidence? It's all around you, massive redistribution of wealth is the biggest, the normalization of fringe lifestyles into the mainstream, acceptance of students into colleges who have no business being accepted to a university, shoving kids along in the education system that should be failed, potential forgiveness of student loan debt, and the list goes on and on. And you're right, opportunity is not equal, if you're a poor minority, but at least do moderately well in school, you'll have options for all sorts of financial aid assistance to go to college, if you're a middle or even low middle income white student, you better hope your parents are willing to sign on the dotted line in order for you to go to school.

And we're at the point where the majority is now being persecuted in deference to all the fringe minority groups, and it's been institutionalized as well using cancel culture in all its glorious forms. If you're a white conservative, your opinion is not only not wanted, you may pay the price for verbalizing it. And 'different from the majority' is a fallacy in and of itself, everyone is different and unique in their own way, it's the grouping and categorizing that the left loves to promote so they can pitch each against the other to cause hate and division. If you don't see all of this happening, then you're willfully blind.

What a load of crap!

There is no 'massive redistribution of wealth'. We have extremely unfair distribution of wealth to the wealthy, but no redistribution.

By 'normalization of fringe lifestyles into the mainstream', you mean that people who live 'fringe lifestyles' are no longer being persecuted, then yes, we've had some success.

The acceptance of students into colleges who have NO business being accepted has been going on for many, many years. WHITE Athletic students, wealthy students, students with connections to alumni & faculty that are NOT academically qualified have been being accepted for many, many years. The sudden angst of privileged white people over who is being accepted is pure hypocrisy.

I agree that the academic system has been catering to a very mediocre level of intelligence for many, many years. But raising the standards would eliminate just as many white students as any other (by percentage). If low education jobs paid fairly, then there'd be less pressure to 'educate' everyone. Then higher educated could be limited to the academically gifted - and we'd have a lot better leadership.

The roots of the problems with student debt is that the Universities charge way too much, but provide a second rate product. Then employers pay way too little. The amount of debt students have is ridiculous. There needs to be a balance, and forgiving student debt is just a start on balancing a completely screwed up system.

 

[WEATHER53]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

Cheap labor.

All forms of labor are soon going to be worthless thanks to automation. Then we'll have a nation full of a million different warring tribes and jack shit to do.

In today's world, if you're not a ruthless con artist or a brilliant mathematician there's no real path for success.

The actual issue here is one of culture, not country of origin. For most of our history, we followed the liberal melting pot approach. People came here, added some of their distinct flavor to the mix, but adopted American ways.

As multiculturalism began to infiltrate and pervert liberalism, the emphasis shifted to distinctness rather then melting together to the point where we have returned to tribalism, which is a very primitive outlook and nearly the antithesis of actual liberalism.

a society simply cannot function without at least SOME form of shared values. Multiculturalism operates under a false assumption, namely, that people with utterly distinct and competing world views can somehow live in harmony. You might as well believe in magic, it is so unworkable.

Seems to me that most groups have held on to some aspects of their culture and heritage.. Think about the Greeks families you know or Italians or Jews or Irish or whatever.. In one way or another they honor and maintain their heritage without being a threat to "American ways"..

Did you see the recent stink about Kwaanza on this board?

Are we bending ourselves into pretzels to deny or rationalize racism?

Kwanza is a concrete example of creating something out of nothing to make a distinct group feel good about themselves.

How about a good education instead?

So what? Are you actually worried about Kwanza?

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was NEW at some point.

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was new once.

You are shallow; traditions based on non-existent religions do not result in careers.
I guess the more uneducated people there are, the lower the salaries you have to pay.

Do you even know what Kwanza is about? Its NOT religious.

Kwanza is a secular festival observed by many African Americans from December 26 to January 1 as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values.

What does a celebration of cultural heritage have to do with careers?

What does a secular African festival have to do with being an American?

 

[surada]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

Cheap labor.

All forms of labor are soon going to be worthless thanks to automation. Then we'll have a nation full of a million different warring tribes and jack shit to do.

In today's world, if you're not a ruthless con artist or a brilliant mathematician there's no real path for success.

The actual issue here is one of culture, not country of origin. For most of our history, we followed the liberal melting pot approach. People came here, added some of their distinct flavor to the mix, but adopted American ways.

As multiculturalism began to infiltrate and pervert liberalism, the emphasis shifted to distinctness rather then melting together to the point where we have returned to tribalism, which is a very primitive outlook and nearly the antithesis of actual liberalism.

a society simply cannot function without at least SOME form of shared values. Multiculturalism operates under a false assumption, namely, that people with utterly distinct and competing world views can somehow live in harmony. You might as well believe in magic, it is so unworkable.

Seems to me that most groups have held on to some aspects of their culture and heritage.. Think about the Greeks families you know or Italians or Jews or Irish or whatever.. In one way or another they honor and maintain their heritage without being a threat to "American ways"..

Did you see the recent stink about Kwaanza on this board?

Are we bending ourselves into pretzels to deny or rationalize racism?

Kwanza is a concrete example of creating something out of nothing to make a distinct group feel good about themselves.

How about a good education instead?

So what? Are you actually worried about Kwanza?

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was NEW at some point.

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was new once.

You are shallow; traditions based on non-existent religions do not result in careers.
I guess the more uneducated people there are, the lower the salaries you have to pay.

Do you even know what Kwanza is about? Its NOT religious.

Kwanza is a secular festival observed by many African Americans from December 26 to January 1 as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values.

What does a celebration of cultural heritage have to do with careers?

What does a secular African festival gave to do with being an American.

What does St Patrick's Day have to do with being American or Cinco de Mayo?

 

[surada]

Newsflash, cupcake, the Communist/Marxist claim already died. Get with your handlers and come up with new material. Remember, your sole reason to post in there is to entertain me and you aren't doing a very good job of it lately.

You may not realize that marxism is taking over the democrat party

but it is

LOLOL.. you don't even know what Marxism is.

 

[surada]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

Cheap labor.

All forms of labor are soon going to be worthless thanks to automation. Then we'll have a nation full of a million different warring tribes and jack shit to do.

In today's world, if you're not a ruthless con artist or a brilliant mathematician there's no real path for success.

The actual issue here is one of culture, not country of origin. For most of our history, we followed the liberal melting pot approach. People came here, added some of their distinct flavor to the mix, but adopted American ways.

As multiculturalism began to infiltrate and pervert liberalism, the emphasis shifted to distinctness rather then melting together to the point where we have returned to tribalism, which is a very primitive outlook and nearly the antithesis of actual liberalism.

a society simply cannot function without at least SOME form of shared values. Multiculturalism operates under a false assumption, namely, that people with utterly distinct and competing world views can somehow live in harmony. You might as well believe in magic, it is so unworkable.

Seems to me that most groups have held on to some aspects of their culture and heritage.. Think about the Greeks families you know or Italians or Jews or Irish or whatever.. In one way or another they honor and maintain their heritage without being a threat to "American ways"..

Did you see the recent stink about Kwaanza on this board?

Are we bending ourselves into pretzels to deny or rationalize racism?

Kwanza is a concrete example of creating something out of nothing to make a distinct group feel good about themselves.

How about a good education instead?

So what? Are you actually worried about Kwanza?

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was NEW at some point.

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was new once.

You are shallow; traditions based on non-existent religions do not result in careers.
I guess the more uneducated people there are, the lower the salaries you have to pay.

Do you even know what Kwanza is about? Its NOT religious.

Kwanza is a secular festival observed by many African Americans from December 26 to January 1 as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values.

What does a celebration of cultural heritage have to do with careers?

What does a secular African festival have to do with being an American?

What does Cinco De Mayo or St Patrick's day have to do with being an American , you moron?

 

[Indeependent]

Newsflash, cupcake, the Communist/Marxist claim already died. Get with your handlers and come up with new material. Remember, your sole reason to post in there is to entertain me and you aren't doing a very good job of it lately.

You may not realize that marxism is taking over the democrat party

but it is

LOLOL.. you don't even know what Marxism is.

Nobody knows what Marxism is because Marx wrote about the facts of life that lead from Capitalism to Socialism to Communism back to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism back to etc...
And no one alive today in any free nation knows what's it's like to live under a mentally fucked up monarch.

 

[Lastamender]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

If JFK were born in 1990 instead of 1920 I fear he would be a typical lib democrat/marxist today

Newsflash, cupcake, the Communist/Marxist claim already died. Get with your handlers and come up with new material. Remember, your sole reason to post in there is to entertain me and you aren't doing a very good job of it lately.

Communism never dies it just changes names.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

Cheap labor.

All forms of labor are soon going to be worthless thanks to automation. Then we'll have a nation full of a million different warring tribes and jack shit to do.

In today's world, if you're not a ruthless con artist or a brilliant mathematician there's no real path for success.

The actual issue here is one of culture, not country of origin. For most of our history, we followed the liberal melting pot approach. People came here, added some of their distinct flavor to the mix, but adopted American ways.

As multiculturalism began to infiltrate and pervert liberalism, the emphasis shifted to distinctness rather then melting together to the point where we have returned to tribalism, which is a very primitive outlook and nearly the antithesis of actual liberalism.

a society simply cannot function without at least SOME form of shared values. Multiculturalism operates under a false assumption, namely, that people with utterly distinct and competing world views can somehow live in harmony. You might as well believe in magic, it is so unworkable.

Seems to me that most groups have held on to some aspects of their culture and heritage.. Think about the Greeks families you know or Italians or Jews or Irish or whatever.. In one way or another they honor and maintain their heritage without being a threat to "American ways"..

Did you see the recent stink about Kwaanza on this board?

Are we bending ourselves into pretzels to deny or rationalize racism?

Kwanza is a concrete example of creating something out of nothing to make a distinct group feel good about themselves.

How about a good education instead?

So what? Are you actually worried about Kwanza?

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was NEW at some point.

You didn’t answer the question of the post to which you just responded.

Every tradition was new once.

You are shallow; traditions based on non-existent religions do not result in careers.
I guess the more uneducated people there are, the lower the salaries you have to pay.

Do you even know what Kwanza is about? Its NOT religious.

Kwanza is a secular festival observed by many African Americans from December 26 to January 1 as a celebration of their cultural heritage and traditional values.

What does a celebration of cultural heritage have to do with careers?

What does a secular African festival have to do with being an American?

What does Cinco De Mayo or St Patrick's day have to do with being an American , you moron?

Real, core Americans don’t celebrate Cinco De Mayo...those here illegally and here on stolen citizenships do.

 

[Mac-7]

LOLOL.. you don't even know what Marxism is.

I am well aware of marxism

it since you claim to know more why dont you sum it up for us in your own words

 

[surada]

Are we sure politicians have our best interests in mind...OR have they forgot about quality of life and put population / GDP first?
How's that working out in southern California?

If JFK were born in 1990 instead of 1920 I fear he would be a typical lib democrat/marxist today

Newsflash, cupcake, the Communist/Marxist claim already died. Get with your handlers and come up with new material. Remember, your sole reason to post in there is to entertain me and you aren't doing a very good job of it lately.

Communism never dies it just changes names.

Marxism has failed everywhere its been tried.

 

[candycorn]

I wish we could deport the Trump supporters...they seem hell bent on trying to destroy the nation.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I wish we could deport the Trump supporters...they seem hell bent on trying to destroy the nation.

Yeah those committed to defending, protecting and preserving all things ’The American Way’ are “trying to destroy the nation”….that makes perfect sense.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The Right’s Violence Problem​

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Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists.

Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists were responsible for 4 percent.

Nearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists.

[snip]

It’s important to emphasize that not all extremist violence comes from the right — and that the precise explanation for any one attack can be murky, involving a mixture of ideology, mental illness, gun access and more. In the immediate aftermath of an attack, people are sometimes too quick to claim a direct cause and effect. But it is also incorrect to pretend that right-wing violence and left-wing violence are equivalent problems.

[snip]

If you talk to members of Congress and their aides these days — especially off the record — you will often hear them mention their fears of violence being committed against them.

Some Republican members of Congress have said that they were reluctant to vote for Trump’s impeachment or conviction partly because of the threats against other members who had already denounced him. House Republicans who voted for President Biden’s infrastructure bill also received threats. Democrats say their offices receive a spike in phone calls and online messages threatening violence after they are criticized on conservative social media or cable television shows.

People who oversee elections report similar problems. “One in six election officials have experienced threats because of their job,” the Brennan Center, a research group, reported this year. “Ranging from death threats that name officials’ young children to racist and gendered harassment, these attacks have forced election officials across the country to take steps like hiring personal security, fleeing their homes, and putting their children into counseling.”

[snip]

At the rally that preceded the Jan. 6 attack, Representative Mo Brooks suggested the crowd should “start taking down names and kicking ass.” Before she was elected to Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene supported the idea of executing Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats. Representative Paul Gosar once posted an animated video altered to depict himself killing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and swinging swords at Biden.

[snip]

There is often overlap between these violent threats and white supremacist beliefs. White supremacy tends to treat people of color as un-American or even less than fully human, views that can make violence seem justifiable. The suspect in the Buffalo massacre evidently posted an online manifesto that discussed replacement theory, a racial conspiracy theory that Tucker Carlson promotes on his Fox News show.


It is far past time for Republican leadership to shut down the violent and ignorant rhetoric coming from their ranks. As Liz Cheney says, "“History has taught us that what begins with words ends in far worse."

But but but…“Our Diversity Is Our Strength”
It’s obvious to everyone right?
Politicians have been able to prove this theory to core Americans…right?

Why is this even an issue if America is better for core Americans?