As much as Trumps nominations might seem controversial as a means to shake-up the system, don't forget how Reagan spoke of govts role.

[IM2]

The history of America summed up in one picture.

 

[Foxfyre]

For those who are unfamiliar with Reagans speeches, I recommend you seek them out and listen to them. He spoke repeatedly about the American spirit of smaller government in the lives of citizens, for people to pursue their dreams in the capitalist system while fighting those nations who did the opposite. He went far further than Trump does in his criticism of government.

As much as Trumps choices do appear controversial on their face, the exit polls stated by Fox News showed a deep demand from voters for major changes to the manner in which government in the U.S operates. Those aren't my words as I obviously don't live there (but understand your system better than mine at this point as Trumps run in 2016 caught my interest in politics for the first time) but this is what Fox said voters wanted.

Is Trump not delivering what these voters are demanding?

Trump has nothing to lose. This is his last hurrah in the world of politics, he doesn't need more money, and he has no political or other ambitions following this term as President.

But the one thing he wants most other than for his family to be well and happy is to leave a legacy of greatness in making America great again for the benefit of all Americans. And to do that will require breaking the iron grip the deep state has on the government and the message and putting policy and mechanisms in place that will make a lasting difference.

And since he has nothing to lose, he won't hesitate to break a few eggs in order to make a good omelet.

 

[g5000]

For those who are unfamiliar with Reagans speeches, I recommend you seek them out and listen to them. He spoke repeatedly about the American spirit of smaller government in the lives of citizens, for people to pursue their dreams in the capitalist system while fighting those nations who did the opposite. He went far further than Trump does in his criticism of government.

As much as Trumps choices do appear controversial on their face, the exit polls stated by Fox News showed a deep demand from voters for major changes to the manner in which government in the U.S operates. Those aren't my words as I obviously don't live there (but understand your system better than mine at this point as Trumps run in 2016 caught my interest in politics for the first time) but this is what Fox said voters wanted.

Is Trump not delivering what these voters are demanding?

Nope.

Trump added $8 trillion to the debt and had the most corrupt administration in history, and bungled a pandemic so badly that a million people paid the price of his idiocy with their lives.

Trump is about as far removed from actual conservatism as it gets.

And I don't need to find recordings of Reagan. I was there as it happened. I am a Bill Buckley/Ronald Reagan conservative. I actually met them in person as a member of the Young Americans for Freedom.

Let me tell you something. Reagan is spinning in his grave at light speed over Trump's sickening behavior and his sucking up to a KGB thug.

Reagan ended the USSR. Trump is rekindling it.

You should never mention Reagan and Trump in the same breath unless you are highlighting the massive differences between them.

 

[WelfareQueen]

This thread is one giant Dim/Progressive hissy fit. Gawd I love this shit.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Nope.

Trump added $8 trillion to the debt and had the most corrupt administration in history, and bungled a pandemic so badly that a million people paid the price of his idiocy with their lives.

Trump is about as far removed from actual conservatism as it gets.

And I don't need to find recordings of Reagan. I was there as it happened. I am a Bill Buckley/Ronald Reagan conservative. I actually met them in person as a member of the Young Americans for Freedom.

Let me tell you something. Reagan is spinning in his grave at light speed over Trump's sickening behavior and his sucking up to a KGB thug.

Reagan ended the USSR. Trump is rekindling it.

You should never mention Reagan and Trump in the same breath unless you are highlighting the massive differences between them.

They aren't as numerous difference as you believe. Trump is promoting freedom to citizens.perhaps even more than Reagan did. When has a president spk oken of and actually acted on getting government out of your life? There is a reason he won 25% of the black male vote and over 50% of Hispanic men votes. Unheard of for the GOP. He signed the First Stsps Act, he wants school choice,.he is demanding the clesning up of politicized agencies and of bad actors.in agents who vioilate citizens rights,.he pardoned many people in prison for non-violent crimes. On and on. He was betrayed by many in his first term but dont forget that he kept the government shut down for two weeks, a record. Without the debt he required for covid the tail end of his term would have vastly different.

 

[g5000]

They aren't as numerous difference as you believe. Trump is promoting freedom to citizens.perhaps even more than Reagan did. When has a president spk oken of and actually acted on getting government out of your life? There is a reason he won 25% of the black male vote and over 50% of Hispanic men votes. Unheard of for the GOP. He signed the First Stsps Act, he wants school choice,.he is demanding the clesning up of politicized agencies and of bad actors.in agents who vioilate citizens rights,.he pardoned many people in prison for non-violent crimes. On and on. He was betrayed by many in his first term but dont forget that he kept the government shut down for two weeks, a record. Without the debt he required for covid the tail end of his term would have vastly different.

All Trump has in common with Reagan is he stole Reagan's tagline. Make America Great Again.

Because that's what Trump does. He steals other people's work.

Trump has never had an original thought in his head in his life. He simple parrots talking points others have made. He has absolutely no clue how to actually make them happen.

Here's another stark difference between the two: Reagan was pro free trade. Trump is a far left protectionist.

Reagan's economic policies were inspired by Nobel laureate libertarian economist Milton Friedman. Trump got his economic advisor by doing a search on Amazon.com.

 

[shockedcanadian]

All Trump has in common with Reagan is he stole Reagan's tagline. Make America Great Again.

Because that's what Trump does. He steals other people's work.

Trump has never had an original thought in his head in his life. He simple parrots talking points others have made. He has absolutely no clue how to actually make them happen.

Here's another stark difference between the two: Reagan was pro free trade. Trump is a far left protectionist.

Reagan's economic policies were inspired by Nobel laureate economist Milton Friedman. Trump got his economic advisor by doing a search on Amazon.com.

Yes, but I saw Friedman in interviews late in his life and it is clear he was not happy with Chinas lack of shift in citizens rights, especiallytheir lack of political power. He knew that they were not becoming.more like the West. This is where Reagan and Friedmzn would admit that big trade with China was a failure and only served to arm a communist nation to remain even more so, ushering in a surveillance state.

 

[g5000]

Without the debt he required for covid the tail end of his term would have vastly different.

Every presidency has a crisis sooner or later, and Trump proved he was as unprepared, as stupid, as incompetent as any president in this history of our country. And a million Americans paid for his clusterfuckedness with their lives.

By the way, long before Covid, Trump and his Republican Congress had doubled the deficit. Long before Covid, Trump submitted the largest spending budget in US history.

During Covid, Trump demanded more stimulus spending than even the Democrats wanted.

 

[g5000]

Yes, but I saw Friedman in interviews late in his life and it is clear he was not happy with Chinas lack of shift in citizens rights, especiallytheir lack of political power. He knew that they were not becoming.more like the West. This is where Reagan and Friedmzn would admit that big trade with China was a failure and only served to arm a communist nation to remain even more so, ushering in a surveillance state.

What happened is that China and India saw the writing on the wall with the collapse of the USSR, and they began moving toward market economies. Milton definitely did not see this as a bad thing.

However, the result of all this was that TWO BILLION Chinese and Indians entered the global labor market. And those low-wage workers were now in direct competition with every other laborer on Earth.

This is why wages have been flat ever since. And it will remain so until China becomes a consumer economy instead of the export economy they are now. When China becomes a consumer economy like we are, their laborers will start demanding higher wages and the long decades of global wage stagnation will be over.

Two billion workers are an astronomical egg moving through the snake.

Trump's far left tariffs will not solve the problem or hasten the solution. He will simply drive up prices and inflation if he follows through with his deranged economic plans.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Every presidency has a crisis sooner or later, and Trump proved he was as unprepared, as stupid, as incompetent as any president in this history of our country. And a million Americans paid for his clusterfuckedness with their lives.

By the way, long before Covid, Trump and his Republican Congress had doubled the deficit. Long before Covid, Trump submitted the largest spending budget in US history.

During Covid, Trump demanded more stimulus spending than even the Democrats wanted.

Again, he was stabbed in the back by people like Paul Ryan. There is a reason Trump is not nominating career politicians. The only one he seems to trust most is Rubio, that is because Rubio is a China hawk. In fact, he is not even allowed to enter China if I remember correctly. He, Pompeo and a few more were sanctioned and banned. It will be interesting to see if that ban is lifted when he becomes Secretary of State. the pick.of Rubio says most about Trumps administration.as Rubio is a staunch critic of Chinas human rights and will take his role very seriously, and, he is well informed being on the intelligence committee.

 

[scruffy]

For those who are unfamiliar with Reagans speeches, I recommend you seek them out and listen to them. He spoke repeatedly about the American spirit of smaller government in the lives of citizens, for people to pursue their dreams in the capitalist system while fighting those nations who did the opposite. He went far further than Trump does in his criticism of government.

As much as Trumps choices do appear controversial on their face, the exit polls stated by Fox News showed a deep demand from voters for major changes to the manner in which government in the U.S operates. Those aren't my words as I obviously don't live there (but understand your system better than mine at this point as Trumps run in 2016 caught my interest in politics for the first time) but this is what Fox said voters wanted.

Is Trump not delivering what these voters are demanding?

Three words: air traffic controllers.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Three words: air traffic controllers.

That was one case though it has been given far more coverage than it deaerves and I am no expert on the case in detail. I will.say that without traffic controllers the.U.S economy would have come to a halt, they should have bargained while on the job, it was an emergency situation

 

[JoeB131]

I lived during Reagan. He was a fucked up president that Republicans have exaggerated into a hero. His trickle down theory of economics created the inequality we have today and his lassiez faire economics started the outsourcing of American jobs that "working class whites" blame on liberals. He set records for deficits and debt. Because of his policies, he was forced to raise taxes 11 times to stop the US economy from crashing.

ALAN SIMPSON: Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration. I was here. I was here. I knew him. Better than anybody in this room. He was a dear friend and a total realist as to politics.

HORSLEY: Simpson's recollection is spot on, says historian Douglas Brinkley, the editor of Reagan's diaries.

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY: Ronald Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes. He knew that it was necessary at times. And so there's a false mythology out there about Reagan as this conservative president who came in and just cut taxes and trimmed federal spending in a dramatic way. It didn't happen that way. It's false.


In his presidency, on June 4, 1987, Reagans policies turned America from a creditor nation to a debtor nation.

Reagan mythology is leading US off a cliff​

During Reagan’s presidency, the US went from a creditor to debtor nation and marked a take-off for financial inequality.
The idea that Reagan produced a uniquely booming economy is false

First, Reagan’s record on the economy was not just exaggerated by his boosters, it’s almost exactly the opposite of what they claim. It was a fairly ordinary time by the most common measurements of economic growth, looking good only in comparison with a selective time-slice of the 1970s. But once you start looking beneath the surface even the tiniest bit, the picture turns very dark indeed.

In terms of the most basic measure of economic growth – increase in gross domestic product (GDP) – the vaunted “Reagan boom” was an unremarkable period of time. If we look at Reagan’s eight years, and compare them with Clinton’s and JFK/LBJ’s, Reagan comes in dead last, with 31.7 per cent compared with Clinton’s 33.1 per cent and JFK/LBJ’s 47.1 per cent. Only Nixon/Ford’s eight years make Reagan look good, with a mere 26.2 per cent growth.

The idea that Reagan brought prosperity is true only for those at the top, not for average American workers

If we examine incomes, we discover that Reagan’s eight years marked a real take-off for inequality, while average incomes stagnated. The income growth of the top once per cent was ten times that of everyone else during his term: 61.5 per cent versus 6.15 per cent. Under JFK/LBJ, the bottom 99 per cent actually did better: gaining 30.9 per cent compared with 26.9 per cent for the top once per cent. And while inequality continued to rise under Clinton, the bottom 99 per cent did more than twice as well as they did under Reagan, gaining 16.7 per cent compared with 56.6 per cent for the wealthiest one per cent.

The idea that Reagan was good for the American economy in general is false

Reagan was a disaster for the American economy in at least four fundamental ways:

Debtor Nation Status: Under Ronald Reagan, the US went from being the world’s largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation in just a few years – and we have remained the largest debtor nation ever since.

Reagan mythology is leading US off a cliff

During Reagan’s presidency, the US went from a creditor to debtor nation and marked a take-off for financial inequality.

www.aljazeera.com

So nobody needs to read anything from Reagan, canuck. How about you go read a speech by Pierre Trudeau.

To be fair, the Wingnuts need the Reagan Myth.

He's the only Republican not to be voted out of office, impeached, forced to resign, or left the country in a flaming ruin since Ike.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump has nothing to lose. This is his last hurrah in the world of politics, he doesn't need more money, and he has no political or other ambitions following this term as President.

But the one thing he wants most other than for his family to be well and happy is to leave a legacy of greatness in making America great again for the benefit of all Americans. And to do that will require breaking the iron grip the deep state has on the government and the message and putting policy and mechanisms in place that will make a lasting difference.

And since he has nothing to lose, he won't hesitate to break a few eggs in order to make a good omelet.

Wow? Do you know who inveted the "Breaking a few eggs to make an Omelet"?

Joseph Goebbels.

This is what Germany looked like when the Nazis were done breaking eggs.

 

[Foxfyre]

Wow? Do you know who inveted the "Breaking a few eggs to make an Omelet"?

Joseph Goebbels.

This is what Germany looked like when the Nazis were done breaking eggs.

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The phrase is attributed to François de Charette, a French counter-revolutionist in the 18th Century. You might appear a bit smarter if you actually knew some history I think. Those using the phrase since de Charette are neither counter-revolutionaries or Nazis. You might appear a bit smarter if you actually exercised some critical or honest thinking I think.

Meanwhile I doubt Trump cares what you think as he plans to constructively shake things up.

 

[JoeB131]

The phrase is attributed to François de Charette, a French counter-revolutionist in the 18th Century. You might appear a bit smarter if you actually knew some history I think. Those using the phrase since de Charette are neither counter-revolutionaries or Nazis. You might appear a bit smarter if you actually exercised some critical or honest thinking I think.

Meanwhile I doubt Trump cares what you think as he plans to constructively shake things up.

Oh, sweety, the problem is no one remembers Francois, they remember Dr. Goebbels....

It's a code for brutal regimes that don't respect human rights... this is what you voted for.

 

[Foxfyre]

Oh, sweety, the problem is no one remembers Francois, they remember Dr. Goebbels....

It's a code for brutal regimes that don't respect human rights... this is what you voted for.

Do you realize how deranged it looks to normal people to assign significance to a very popular phrase used by just about everybody to a Nazi figure who may or may not have ever said that? The last numbnut who tried that with me assigned the origin of the phrase to Lenin. So I will leave you to your own weird little world while I discuss the thread topic which is Trump shaking up--in a good way--the destructive status quo in Washington.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you realize how deranged it looks to normal people to assign significance to a very popular phrase used by just about everybody to a Nazi figure who may or may not have ever said that? The last numbnut who tried that with me assigned the origin of the phrase to Lenin. So I will leave you to your own weird little world while I discuss the thread topic which is Trump shaking up--in a good way--the destructive status quo in Washington.

Okay, here's the thing, firing the people who know what they are doing isn't going to fix Washington.

We saw what happened when Trump thought he knew more than the Doctors... a million people died.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nope.


And I don't need to find recordings of Reagan. I was there as it happened. I am a Bill Buckley/Ronald Reagan conservative. I actually met them in person as a member of the Young Americans for Freedom.

Chickenhawk Squawk

I doubt if any YAFers fought in Vietnam. Egotistical elitists feel they are too valuable to the country and serve it sufficiently with self-empowering speeches.

 

[g5000]

Chickenhawk Squawk

I doubt if any YAFers served in Vietnam. Egotistical elitists feel they are too valuable to the country and serve it sufficiently with self-empowering speeches.

I served 20 years on active duty, dipshit.

Try again, loser.