As many as 10 dead in shooting at Batman premiere in Denver: reports

[bigrebnc1775]

In the resume, Holmes seeks a position as a laboratory technician and touts his work as a summer camp counselor for the Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles....

God Damned Jew shooting up gentiles.

I take that as a "yes". If you were getting off a plane in Israel and saw 24yr old Israeli male, you'd expect him to look something like this.

There are many things about him that suggests jewish heritage, even if not his nominal religion.

I mean really **** you.

Just wondering, do you have a job letting Jews sodomize your ass? Or, is that just a hobby?

They can't get past your ass to get to me.

 

[MuadDib]

Oh please... The contention was that far more people are killed in car crashes than firearms and now you are moving the goalposts to tractors and farm trucks because they aren't registered? Very disingenuous.

Another poster wanted guns treated like cars. That is actually a reasonable suggestion. Cars have to be registered if you are going to use them on the road, which is where 99.99999% of cars are used. Drivers have to be licensed and a fair percentage of drivers probably went through safe driving programs. Drivers have to carry liability insurance on their cars, so that if they hurt someone or damage property, they can be compensated. You have to be at least 15 or 16 years old to get a drivers license. Licenses can be taken away if a driver is irresponsible.

Now look at guns... Guns don't have to be registered. Gun owners don't have to undergo any training, have a license, or carry insurance. You have to be 18 to purchase a gun. Is it not a reasonable expectation that gun owners register their weapons, undergo training classes in how to safely handle and use their guns, and carry liability insurance in case they accidentally hurt someone or destroy property?

I answered your comment that not all vehicle accidents occur on a highway.

There's no need for guns to be registered. There are receipts for their sale. How do you think the cops found out so quickly where Holmes bought his? Same goes for all the ammo and even the body armor that he bought. This crime is barely 48 hours old and the police already know where he bought all of it and have for a day or so. There is a recorded transaction of Holmes' background check on record with Colorado's state police. The gun shops where he bought them have to keep the records with their serial numbers for X number of years.

Want a hunting license? You'll probably have to pass a hunter safety class. Want a carry permit? You'll probably have to pass a class for that too. And pass a criminal background check. And be fingerprinted.

Is the system perfect? No, and it never will be. But that's no excuse to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Smart Technology implemented into the weapons is the only answer....Takes all the guess work out of it then, and leaves the gun owner alone as well... All you spoke of concerning the police work and knowledge learned is sadly after the fact, where as we need preventive measures and smart technology right now, it is the only thing that could give that preventer to us, just as a case such as this is screaming that to all of us now...

For what you're wanting, you don't need smart technology; you need a crystal ball.

"Sorry Mr. Beagle, but we can't sell you a gun. Your criminal background check came back clean, but our crystal ball says you will rob a 7-11 on December 19, 2022."

 

[beagle9]

Just...no. And I say that as someone whose home was burglarized 18 years ago and some guns were stolen.

I don't even like the fact that my phone can function as a tracking device. As long as I'm not breaking any laws, I don't want the government's nose up my ass.

What about the citizens running the program then ?

Nope.

Just nope eh ? What about the dead now who are Americans, when their friends and their families want answers, just tell them nope (no answers available) when they ask how to prevent these situations in the future ?

 

[beagle9]

I answered your comment that not all vehicle accidents occur on a highway.

There's no need for guns to be registered. There are receipts for their sale. How do you think the cops found out so quickly where Holmes bought his? Same goes for all the ammo and even the body armor that he bought. This crime is barely 48 hours old and the police already know where he bought all of it and have for a day or so. There is a recorded transaction of Holmes' background check on record with Colorado's state police. The gun shops where he bought them have to keep the records with their serial numbers for X number of years.

Want a hunting license? You'll probably have to pass a hunter safety class. Want a carry permit? You'll probably have to pass a class for that too. And pass a criminal background check. And be fingerprinted.

Is the system perfect? No, and it never will be. But that's no excuse to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Smart Technology implemented into the weapons is the only answer....Takes all the guess work out of it then, and leaves the gun owner alone as well... All you spoke of concerning the police work and knowledge learned is sadly after the fact, where as we need preventive measures and smart technology right now, it is the only thing that could give that preventer to us, just as a case such as this is screaming that to all of us now...

For what you're wanting, you don't need smart technology; you need a crystal ball.

"Sorry Mr. Beagle, but we can't sell you a gun. Your criminal background check came back clean, but our crystal ball says you will rob a 7-11 on December 19, 2022."

That's rediculous and you know it....What I am hearing here, is that gun owners want no part in any solutions being thought of, in order to help stop these sorts of crimes in the future, and they are willing to risk everything (even their country), just to not be inconvienenced by it all in the short term..

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Would this have happened if guns were banned in the US?

Yes - if the ban wasn't enforced and the penalties for those actually prosecuted were zilch - which is pretty much the case here.
I'll give you an example or two and then the opposing views on what makes sense.
In Arizona, you can buy 50 AR-15 assault rifles and ten minutes later, sell them to a guy who has been convicted of murder - as long as you don't ask him about it and therefore, don't know he is a convicted murderer.
In Los Angeles, police can pull over a known member of the Crips, Bloods or other gang - find him wearing a wig and disguise and carrying an illegally purchased gun. As long as he hasn't been convicted of a felony yet, he'll plea bargain out in an hour because he hasn't actually killed somone... yet.
As long as you can pass the background check one time, you can become an arms dealer without owning a store or anything. You have less than a 1% chance of ever being investigated. Then you can sell pistols, sniper rifles, assault rifles, silencers (ecause you know, that's so necessary for defense) and whatever. Do these people sell guns illegally? Duh.
So it's not a matter of laws. It's a matter of enforcement.
Extreme Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They want to ban all guns but they are fairly rare.
Moderate LibDems, Moderates and Indies Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: They think gun ownershio is fine but carrying machine guns into the kindergarten or better yet, the bar where you go get drunk, is just plain foolish. I agree. I own a gun but don't take it to the movies or anywhere in the city. It's at home.
Conservatives Liberals have a solution to America's Gun Violence Problem: More guns. I'm not kidding. Oh and less laws. If our laws and their enforcement is too weak now, the solution is to make even less of them. You'll hear cute little chants they've been taught like "If guns are illegal only criminals wil have guns." Well duh. And if child porn is illegal, only criminals will have child porn. So should we make it legal? The anti-logic of this is almost amusing. Oh well. They really do buy it.
My favorite one is when they compare gun ownership to owning a car. Unreal.

I didn't compare gun ownership to owning a car, I compared the deaths caused by idiotic drivers to those caused by people with firearms and asked why no one thinks we need to make sure stupid people don't own a car. So far the best response I got was an attempt to trap me in a stupid logical trap that a 5th grader could think his way out of.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What about the citizens running the program then ?

Nope.

Just nope eh ? What about the dead now who are Americans, when their friends and their families want answers, just tell them nope (no answers available) when they ask how to prevent these situations in the future ?

What about them? Am I supposed to collapse in a pile of drooling logical contradictions simply because you play on my emotions? If you have to resort to an emotional appeal you have nothing anyway, so nope is all I need to say.

 

[Ariux]

They can't get past your ass to get to me.

Uh, I don't even know what that means, other than that you don't want me to point out that this shooter is jewish.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Smart Technology implemented into the weapons is the only answer....Takes all the guess work out of it then, and leaves the gun owner alone as well... All you spoke of concerning the police work and knowledge learned is sadly after the fact, where as we need preventive measures and smart technology right now, it is the only thing that could give that preventer to us, just as a case such as this is screaming that to all of us now...

For what you're wanting, you don't need smart technology; you need a crystal ball.

"Sorry Mr. Beagle, but we can't sell you a gun. Your criminal background check came back clean, but our crystal ball says you will rob a 7-11 on December 19, 2022."

That's rediculous and you know it....What I am hearing here, is that gun owners want no part in any solutions being thought of, in order to help stop these sorts of crimes in the future, and they are willing to risk everything (even their country), just to not be inconvienenced by it all in the short term..

How will smart technology stop crime? Do you really think it will be possible to develop a gun that knows when its owner is going to use it for a crime? Nothing you have proposed is even possible, much less practical. We do not live in a world where you make up tech and somebody builds it the next day. Even if we did, someone else would build a way to disable it.

BMW designed an ignition system that is impossible to start without a smart key, it did not stop these guys.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DshK4ZXPU9o]Stolen BMW 1M Coupe in less than 3 minutes - YouTube[/ame]

If you ever come up with a solution you can argue that gun owners are being irresponsible. If all you can do is pretend we live in a technical utopia where it is impossible to thwart security measures all you will get from intelligent people is disdain.

 

[MuadDib]

Smart Technology implemented into the weapons is the only answer....Takes all the guess work out of it then, and leaves the gun owner alone as well... All you spoke of concerning the police work and knowledge learned is sadly after the fact, where as we need preventive measures and smart technology right now, it is the only thing that could give that preventer to us, just as a case such as this is screaming that to all of us now...

For what you're wanting, you don't need smart technology; you need a crystal ball.

"Sorry Mr. Beagle, but we can't sell you a gun. Your criminal background check came back clean, but our crystal ball says you will rob a 7-11 on December 19, 2022."

That's rediculous and you know it....What I am hearing here, is that gun owners want no part in any solutions being thought of, in order to help stop these sorts of crimes in the future, and they are willing to risk everything (even their country), just to not be inconvienenced by it all in the short term..

I agree. Wanting a crystal ball is ridiculous. (They don't really work.)

The solutions are already in place. We gun owners don't want bad people getting guns either because then we have to spend hours, days, weeks, months, or years fighting with a bunch of gun grabbing idiots to protect our 2nd Amendments rights.

You get convicted of a felony or have a dangerous psychiatric history and you're entered into a database that prohibits you from purchasing a gun. Until you do something that puts you on that database, there's no way to predict if you will be one of those people.

Until this incident, the only thing Holmes had on his record was a traffic ticket. Otherwise, he had all appearances of being a shy, quiet, reserved, and highly intelligent person and an exceptional college student with a potentially bright future.

 

[MuadDib]

For what you're wanting, you don't need smart technology; you need a crystal ball.

"Sorry Mr. Beagle, but we can't sell you a gun. Your criminal background check came back clean, but our crystal ball says you will rob a 7-11 on December 19, 2022."

That's rediculous and you know it....What I am hearing here, is that gun owners want no part in any solutions being thought of, in order to help stop these sorts of crimes in the future, and they are willing to risk everything (even their country), just to not be inconvienenced by it all in the short term..

How will smart technology stop crime? Do you really think it will be possible to develop a gun that knows when its owner is going to use it for a crime? Nothing you have proposed is even possible, much less practical. We do not live in a world where you make up tech and somebody builds it the next day. Even if we did, someone else would build a way to disable it.

BMW designed an ignition system that is impossible to start without a smart key, it did not stop these guys.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DshK4ZXPU9o]Stolen BMW 1M Coupe in less than 3 minutes - YouTube[/ame]

If you ever come up with a solution you can argue that gun owners are being irresponsible. If all you can do is pretend we live in a technical utopia where it is impossible to thwart security measures all you will get from intelligent people is disdain.

I guess it creates a cottage industry of writing anti-hacking software for firearms or something.

If a few college students can spoof a drone's GPS, surely they can hack into your guns.

 

[Ariux]

Until this incident, the only thing Holmes had on his record was a traffic ticket. Otherwise, he had all appearances of being a shy, quiet, reserved, and highly intelligent person and an exceptional college student with a potentially bright future.

That God Damned Jew who killed those people in the theater apparently is also a left-wing activist who was arrested during an Occupy protest. He's probably a ******, too.

(How is it that a man on the road to becoming a doctor doesn't have a girlfriend, but instead is fishing on adult dating sites?)

 

[chopstiks]

Are you brain dead? How many people were killed with guns in DC before the gun ban was lifted?

Australia banned the sale of guns after the Port Arthur massacre. Since then, we have no more mass shootings. Yet America suffers a mass shooting every week, it would appear - why is that?

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

So what! Lord have mercy on these types of defensive arguments.
America has two times the population of Japan but 1000% more gun deaths.
So, by your reasoning... who's the biased dolt now.

 

[Noomi]

Australia banned the sale of guns after the Port Arthur massacre. Since then, we have no more mass shootings. Yet America suffers a mass shooting every week, it would appear - why is that?

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

So what! Lord have mercy on these types of defensive arguments.
America has two times the population of Japan but 1000% more gun deaths.
So, by your reasoning... who's the biased dolt now.

They have lost their own argument. Their gun culture is to blame for this, yet they refuse to do anything at all to save those lives which will be lost in the future due to yet another mass shooting.

 

[JoeB131]

Guns are not the problem. If they want to kill someone they'll find another way.

In Uganda and Somalia they just hack each other to pieces with machetes.

Somebody wants to kill a bunch of people he can just use rat-poison.

Uganda and Somalia are failed states... Is that really the best comparison you can come up with?

Fact is, people with guns can kill a lot easier than people without guns. This is just a fact of life. Which is why we should sensibly restrict gun ownership to responsible people with a real need.

Not crazy people.

Not gun nuts "compensating" for their "Shortcomings".

You can make a bomb out of common chemicals. The police are still trying to defuse all of the booby-traps in this pricks apartment.

If you want them going off all over the place go ahead and take away gun rights.

And the ability to buy chemicals is limited. I'm guessing after we find out what this guy used, some more will get added to the list.

 

[idb]

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

So what! Lord have mercy on these types of defensive arguments.
America has two times the population of Japan but 1000% more gun deaths.
So, by your reasoning... who's the biased dolt now.

They have lost their own argument. Their gun culture is to blame for this, yet they refuse to do anything at all to save those lives which will be lost in the future due to yet another mass shooting.

Hmmm...in a different thread you said it happened because the shooter was a "right winger"

I figured he was a right winger, looks like I might be right.

Do you have a different theory now?

 

[JoeB131]

Here is your first misconception, what you want does not matter. You do not have any valid opinion on the laws in the united states.

We get rid of one knuckle dragger on SCOTUS. Heller is overturned. We can introduce gun laws with teeth.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Strange.

Since Heller crime and murder rates have gone down, but you want to overturn something that has resulted in more people living longer lives.

At least we know you aren't smart.

The crime rate itself has been declining for years... It has nothing to do with Heller. It has a lot more to do with the fact we are demagraphically aging as a nation. Our crime rate is still FAR higher than any other advanced country, and we lock far too many of our citizens up.

I'll put "too stupid to read a graph" along with your other "shortcomings".

 

[beagle9]

Nope.

Just nope eh ? What about the dead now who are Americans, when their friends and their families want answers, just tell them nope (no answers available) when they ask how to prevent these situations in the future ?

What about them? Am I supposed to collapse in a pile of drooling logical contradictions simply because you play on my emotions? If you have to resort to an emotional appeal you have nothing anyway, so nope is all I need to say.

Still no answer eh?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

So what! Lord have mercy on these types of defensive arguments.
America has two times the population of Japan but 1000% more gun deaths.
So, by your reasoning... who's the biased dolt now.

They have lost their own argument. Their gun culture is to blame for this, yet they refuse to do anything at all to save those lives which will be lost in the future due to yet another mass shooting.

Yes we should do something about it. Arm every man and woman
An armed society is a polite society

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Australia banned the sale of guns after the Port Arthur massacre. Since then, we have no more mass shootings. Yet America suffers a mass shooting every week, it would appear - why is that?

America has 10 times the population of Australia, you dolt.

So what! Lord have mercy on these types of defensive arguments.
America has two times the population of Japan but 1000% more gun deaths.
So, by your reasoning... who's the biased dolt now.

Since Japan has the most restrictive of gun laws there should be 0 deaths by firearm but they had 47 last year

 

[thanatos144]

Die free or live a slave.....I am mnot a ***** progressive I would rather die free.



Any of you pathetic ***** progressives trying to use this tragedy for your control agenda is ******* disgusting....Makes you guys sound like mass murder cheerleaders. This ***** who shot up the place was a pathetic piece of trash. You ***** progressive probably think he was a conservative which I doubt. Mostly cause most conservative actual have a moral core....No chances are he was a spoiled little prick who was given everything by mommy and daddy and was told was special and then he found out he was just a *****.


Oh and watch if we find out this ***** was a occupy ***** or of their ilk that the ***** progressives will say he didn't get hugged enough as a kid.....