As A Conservative Hypocrisy Bothers Me On Both Sides

[forkup]

Would this include in your opinion people threatening to urinate on Charlie Kirk's grave because to me it should if it doesn't already.

Yes, because of this.

I believe people should be free to say almost anything, as long as it doesn’t directly threaten others or their property

What you are describing is not a direct and immediate threat. Although actually doing so, or for that matter doing so while standing over the grave could be construed as such. Let me make it a bit clearer and direct. If I would threaten someone saying I'd kill them on this forum. I'm not a direct threat. And as such my speech would be protected. If I would search out a hitman to make good on the threat, what I say to that hitman isn't protected speech.

 

[jc456]

Would this include in your opinion people threatening to urinate on Charlie Kirk's grave because to me it should if it doesn't already.

technically, it's against the law. one is not free to piss in public.

 

[ChristisKing]

Yes, because of this.

What you are describing is not a direct and immediate threat. Although actually doing so, or for that matter doing so while standing over the grave could be construed as such. Let me make it a bit clearer and direct. If I would threaten someone saying I'd kill them on this forum. I'm not a direct threat. And as such my speech would be protected. If I would search out a hitman to make good on the threat, what I say to that hitman isn't protected speech.

I still think that it draws the line if you threaten violence or distruction no matter what and did you see this article yet? This is exactly why we need a limit on free speech. As when speech starts to equal hatred which violence can start happening along with distruction of property we've got a problem.

Second wave of threatening Charlie Kirk flyers found at Georgetown | Fox News Georgetown acts quickly after disturbing flyers reemerge on campus mocking Charlie Kirk: 'Rest in p-ss'

 

[dudmuck]

we don't have democracy

thats like saying i dont have a dog, i have a german shepherd.

the constitution establishes a representative government, and defines an election framework, which does make this country a democracy.

 

[LibertyKid]

Tribalism is killing us.

Our Founders tried to warn us.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

It was proven that carlson lied despite knowing the truth. The comment that got Kimmel fired was accurate.

U lying 2 us or yourself?

 

[LibertyKid]

thats like saying i dont have a dog, i have a german shepherd.

the constitution establishes a representative government, and defines an election framework, which does make this country a democracy.

Not in the truest form, we are not a democracy where everything is ruled by 51% majority, which is a true democracy.

 

[forkup]

I still think that it draws the line if you threaten violence or distruction no matter what and did you see this article yet? This is exactly why we need a limit on free speech. As when speech starts to equal hatred which violence can start happening along with distruction of property we've got a problem.

Second wave of threatening Charlie Kirk flyers found at Georgetown | Fox News Georgetown acts quickly after disturbing flyers reemerge on campus mocking Charlie Kirk: 'Rest in p-ss'

Seems to me like a slippery slope. Although there is already a line, namely the line that prohibits certain speech. Speech that recklessly disregards the risk that their words can be perceived as threatening. The posters in the article in my view don't. They are disgusting and I don't agree with the sentiment but that's not the same as wanting the government to be able to restrict it.

I'll put it in this context. Much is made about Trump saying to the people who stormed the Capitol to march "peacefully and patriotically", failing to mention the whole rest of the speech was meant the rile up the passions of the crowd. And that Trump even tweeted that it was fault of other people while they were in the Capitol, effectively condoning what they were doing, since he clearly had the power to at least try to get them to stop, this speaks to intent and is damning. To me that's much closer to the definition of "reckless disregard" then the posters you showed. And yet if I'd be a juror, I would not convict Trump for his speech on that day if that was the only charge leveled.

Nobody can ever say they believe in free speech until they allow for speech that appalls them.

 

[forkup]

Not in the truest form, we are not a democracy where everything is ruled by 51% majority, which is a true democracy.

In it's truest form people decide directly over the issues. No parties, just people deciding directly over the laws that govern them. Greek city states being the one known example of "true Democracy", on country level (using the term lightly), if I'm not mistaken. Choosing the people who decide the laws is what makes something a Republic.

 

[sartre play]

What ever is going on, The hate filled back biting is destroying our country.

 

[ChristisKing]

What ever is going on, The hate filled back biting is destroying our country.

No kidding.

https://www.usmessageboard.com/thre...limit-on-free-speech-in-this-country.1179527/

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The line Kimmel crossed for me was when it was clear in his monologue that he not only believed the lies he was telling, he was trying to get others to take ahold of his lies as well.

That's not entertainment.

That's indoctrination.

It's also why I couldn't stand Carlin.

Who?

 

[BULLDOG]

U lying 2 us or yourself?

Please show Kimmel's exact wording when he disparaged that dead Kirk.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Please show Kimmel's exact wording when he disparaged that dead Kirk.

Please blah blah blah, derp, tub, da da din xin.....let's try this again, please rephrase in plain english free of emotions.

 

[BULLDOG]

Please blah blah blah, derp, tub, da da din xin.....let's try this again, please rephrase in plain english free of emotions.

So you can't point out the bad thing you think Kimmel said, but you are sure he said something bad because your cult told you he did.

 

[jc456]

I still think that it draws the line if you threaten violence or distruction no matter what and did you see this article yet? This is exactly why we need a limit on free speech. As when speech starts to equal hatred which violence can start happening along with distruction of property we've got a problem.

Second wave of threatening Charlie Kirk flyers found at Georgetown | Fox News Georgetown acts quickly after disturbing flyers reemerge on campus mocking Charlie Kirk: 'Rest in p-ss'

What is hate speech? I know what a threat is and it isn’t hate

 

[ChristisKing]

What is hate speech? I know what a threat is and it isn’t hate

It comes from hate though and if the hate gets bad enough it can and does turn into violence.

 

[jc456]

It comes from hate though and if the hate gets bad enough it can and does turn into violence.

Define hate speech

 

[ChristisKing]

Define hate speech

How about something like "catch fascist?" As that comes from another thread that I'm working on right now. Do you find that to be alarming because of recent events?

 

[jc456]

How about something like "catch fascist?"

How’s that hate? Explain it

As that comes from another thread that I'm working on right now. Do you find that to be alarming because of recent events?

My mother always told me sticks and stones but words will never hurt me. How does that hurt anyone?