Armed security would have stopped transgender school shooter….

[AZrailwhale]

Do you understand that military bases are essentially gun free zones? Only the military police walk around with weapons?

And the MPs only have one magazine, in my day that was seven .45 caliber rounds. Plus MPs are a vanishingly small percentage of the troops and dependents on base. When I was EOD at Presidio San Franscisco, the MPs had to use three people around the clock to guard our bunker on Fort Cronkheit across the bay where we stored the explosives that we confiscated. The Provost Marshal was always complaining that taking one MP per shift off patrol crippled his ability to police the base. An entire division only has one company of MPs consisting of 160 officers and men, I believe he only had a reinforced platoon and Presidio was an "open" base with no fencing or gate guards. People could come and go at will.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Mass murderers rarely have any criminal background.
Bank robbers and drive by shooting rarely use military style weapons.

Try again.

But mass murderers are almost invariably mentally ill, and people knew it, often the government and police knew it. They need to be institutionalized to protect society. Until you are willing to do that AND keep criminals who use guns daily in crimes locked up, don't come to me about civilian gun control. Make mental health practitioners' mandatory reporters and enforce the existing laws against criminals and those who enable both criminals and mentally ill who commit violence.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So you're saying if the bad person didn't have a weapon of war he might not be able to kill 20 or 30 people with, say, a six shooter.

welcome to the club shitbrain!

A revolver can be reloaded nearly as fast as a semi-auto pistol, it just holds fewer rounds. I guess you've never heard of speed loaders.

 

[Dadoalex]

But mass murderers are almost invariably mentally ill, and people knew it, often the government and police knew it. They need to be institutionalized to protect society. Until you are willing to do that AND keep criminals who use guns daily in crimes locked up, don't come to me about civilian gun control. Make mental health practitioners' mandatory reporters and enforce the existing laws against criminals and those who enable both criminals and mentally ill who commit violence.

The people who want every swinging dick to have a dozen semiautomatic rifles with bump stocks 100 round drums
Are the same people who vote to defund and eliminate all mental health services.

People in Japan go crazy
People in China go crazy
People in Sweden go crazy

But they don't go buy themselves a weapon of war and shoot a few dozen people every couple of days.

It ain't the crazy, it's the guns.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Write your own dictionary if you want to.

You might want to use the word SECURED instead of locked, then they can't quibble.

 

[AZrailwhale]

How bout mass murders?
How many mass murders by hand?
By knife?
By hammer?

Over the last 3 years 59% of all mass shootings used a military style weapon.
Weapons which are not defensive in nature (why they're labeled "assault rifles")
Weapons which have no other purpose than to kill lots of people in a very short time.

And when these weapons are used as designed?
They're used at schools, malls, department stores, churches...
Places where the weapons will inflict the most death and horror.

Want your police special? I'm fine with that.
Your hunting rifle? Cool.

Want a gun so you can kill a lot of people quickly? Apply for a license, undergo deep background and personality reviews, provide a safe place for storage, pay annual licensing fees...and its yours.

Not a "military style" weapon, but as weapon that LOOKS like as military one.

 

[Dadoalex]

A revolver can be reloaded nearly as fast as a semi-auto pistol, it just holds fewer rounds. I guess you've never heard of speed loaders.

Sure they can.
With years of experience and practice.

But any idiot can buy that semi-auto pistol, an adapter to turn it essentially full automatic, a dozen 30 round magazine, and a silencer today. Learn how to load it on You-Tube and be out murdering people at a Temple before sunset tonight.

 

[Dadoalex]

Not a "military style" weapon, but as weapon that LOOKS like as military one.

Uh..."Military style" is a weapon that LOOKS like a military one.

But don't let words stand in the way of lunacy.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Sure they can.
With years of experience and practice.

But any idiot can buy that semi-auto pistol, an adapter to turn it essentially full automatic, a dozen 30 round magazine, and a silencer today. Learn how to load it on You-Tube and be out murdering people at a Temple before sunset tonight.

Using a speed loader is no harder than changing a magazine in a semi-auto pistol. The only reason it takes longer is that you have to push the extractor at eh front of the cylinder instead of just pushing a button to drop the empty magazine. Neither action takes an appreciable amount of training or practice.

 

[Dadoalex]

Using a speed loader is no harder than changing a magazine in a semi-auto pistol. The only reason it takes longer is that you have to push the extractor at eh front of the cylinder instead of just pushing a button to drop the empty magazine. Neither action takes an appreciable amount of training or practice.

Then why is the semi the preferred weapon?
Semi-s are prone to jamming.
Revolvers, not so much.
If both can be used with the same efficacy with zero training and experience why the semi?
As if everyone doesn't already know the answer to that. BUT

OK.
Show me a guy with zero training shooting 300 rounds using your speed loader in under 90 seconds.

Seen lots of guys with tons of experience but never one with a rookie.

 

[2aguy]

Mass murderers rarely have any criminal background.
Bank robbers and drive by shooting rarely use military style weapons.

Try again.

Yes.....mass public shooters generally do not have criminal histories......

There were 12 in 2022 out of a population of over 350 million people.......they murdered a total of 74 people between them.....

Meanwhile, the criminals that the democrat party keeps releasing, over and over again no matter how many felonies they rack up....around 19,000, and that is up from the average of 10,000 because in 2015 the democrat decided that destroying local police, and accelerating how many felons they released would be a good plan.

 

[2aguy]

Then why is the semi the preferred weapon?
Semi-s are prone to jamming.
Revolvers, not so much.
If both can be used with the same efficacy with zero training and experience why the semi?
As if everyone doesn't already know the answer to that. BUT

OK.
Show me a guy with zero training shooting 300 rounds using your speed loader in under 90 seconds.

Seen lots of guys with tons of experience but never one with a rookie.

No one is firing 300 rounds in 90 seconds with a semi-auto...you dumb ass...

 

[2aguy]

The people who want every swinging dick to have a dozen semiautomatic rifles with bump stocks 100 round drums
Are the same people who vote to defund and eliminate all mental health services.

People in Japan go crazy
People in China go crazy
People in Sweden go crazy

But they don't go buy themselves a weapon of war and shoot a few dozen people every couple of days.

It ain't the crazy, it's the guns.

Which of the mass public shooters used a weapon of war......do you mean the Navy Yard shooter who used the 5 shot, pump action shotgun? That is an actual weapon of war.

Which ones used a weapon of war?

 

[2aguy]

Uh..."Military style" is a weapon that LOOKS like a military one.

But don't let words stand in the way of lunacy.

Yeah, and my car could have a Nascar body put on it but it ain't a Nascar....you dumb ass.

The AR-15 is no different from any other rifle....

 

[2aguy]

Then why is the semi the preferred weapon?
Semi-s are prone to jamming.
Revolvers, not so much.
If both can be used with the same efficacy with zero training and experience why the semi?
As if everyone doesn't already know the answer to that. BUT

OK.
Show me a guy with zero training shooting 300 rounds using your speed loader in under 90 seconds.

Seen lots of guys with tons of experience but never one with a rookie.

You are an idiot...

The gun does not determine how many are killed

Magazine capacity does not determine how many are killed......


The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoots at and stops them determines how many get killed



Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed


A Rental Truck in Nice, France, in 5 minutes.....

86 killed, 450 wounded...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S.


Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....


Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed


Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed


1928, Fairfield, California shooting

Lever action rifle 11 killed

Leung Ying - Wikipedia

1903, Winfield, Kansas shooting

8 killed, double barreled shotgun

1949, Camden, New Jersey shooting

11 killed, 8 shot, semi-automatic, German Luger pistol

Howard Unruh - Wikipedia

The Story of the First Mass Shooting in U.S. History

Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols.


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From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles, you twit.


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

 

[Dadoalex]

Yes.....mass public shooters generally do not have criminal histories......

There were 12 in 2022 out of a population of over 350 million people.......they murdered a total of 74 people between them.....

Meanwhile, the criminals that the democrat party keeps releasing, over and over again no matter how many felonies they rack up....around 19,000, and that is up from the average of 10,000 because in 2015 the democrat decided that destroying local police, and accelerating how many felons they released would be a good plan.

Irrelevant to the thread or any previous posts.
Do try to stay on topic.

 

[2aguy]

Irrelevant to the thread or any previous posts.
Do try to stay on topic.

Completely relevant, you just don't want to deal with the truth.

And you didn't list the mass public shooters in the U.S. who used weapons of war....

There have been a quite a few mass public shooters in Europe who actually did use weapons of war, mainly muslims attacking unarmed civilians in France, and on a train....

 

[Dadoalex]

No one is firing 300 rounds in 90 seconds with a semi-auto...you dumb ass...

Perhaps you're just ignorant of the topic.

Gun Expert Demonstrates Difference Between Bump Stock Semi-Auto, Full Automatic Weapons

ATF confirmed Las Vegas gunman had 12 weapons modified with bump stocks.

www.krgv.com

"
The standard semi-automatic AR-15 Guerra fired dispersed 30 rounds in about six seconds. That's an approximate discharge rate of about five rounds per second.

Guerra then demonstrated the AR-15 modified with a bump stock. It had a significantly faster firing rate of about 7.5 rounds per second."

For those disinclined in math, that would be you asswipe, that's 450 rounds 90 seconds w/o the bump stock and 675 rounds 90 seconds with the bump stock.

did I say "ignorant of the topic?" I was incorrect, you're just plain ignorant.

 

[2aguy]

Irrelevant to the thread or any previous posts.
Do try to stay on topic.

Here...I'll help you....

A mass public shooting where actual weapons of war were used.....

The attack in Paris, France...

November 2015 Paris attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zastava M70 assault rifle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dadoalex]

Which of the mass public shooters used a weapon of war......do you mean the Navy Yard shooter who used the 5 shot, pump action shotgun? That is an actual weapon of war.

Which ones used a weapon of war?

All of them.