Arguing with libs, Uuuggggggg!

[Skull Pilot]

They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me

As opposed to socialist, leftist, deadbeat, whiner, un-american or whatever label the right wants to throw around

Didn't you know that socialist is the new code word for ******

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[sealybobo]

They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me

As opposed to socialist, leftist, deadbeat, whiner, un-american or whatever label the right wants to throw around

Didn't you know that socialist is the new code word for ******

[youtube]f3dFh8YYd70&feature[/youtube]

To them we are all N*&##rs. Even you. You're just the dumb N*(*&#$R that votes witht them and against your own best interests. And you don't even realize it.

Nor do you realize that the only reason you have a comfortable middle class existence is because of liberal policies, not conservative.

At least not any conservative bills that have passed in the last 30 years. Since Reagan, you have been getting fucked, and you've taken it because the GOP kissed you just right. Not too much tongue. But you are that dirty little christian girl that behind closed doors likes your hair pulled or maybe you like to snorkle. LOL.

 

[Skull Pilot]

As opposed to socialist, leftist, deadbeat, whiner, un-american or whatever label the right wants to throw around

Didn't you know that socialist is the new code word for ******

[youtube]f3dFh8YYd70&feature[/youtube]

To them we are all N*&##rs. Even you. You're just the dumb N*(*&#$R that votes witht them and against your own best interests. And you don't even realize it.

Nor do you realize that the only reason you have a comfortable middle class existence is because of liberal policies, not conservative.

At least not any conservative bills that have passed in the last 30 years. Since Reagan, you have been getting fucked, and you've taken it because the GOP kissed you just right. Not too much tongue. But you are that dirty little christian girl that behind closed doors likes your hair pulled or maybe you like to snorkle. LOL.

Shut the fuck up you moron.

I haven't voted for a repudlican or a dimocrat in any of the last 20 years.

 

[sealybobo]

Didn't you know that socialist is the new code word for ******

[youtube]f3dFh8YYd70&feature[/youtube]

To them we are all N*&##rs. Even you. You're just the dumb N*(*&#$R that votes witht them and against your own best interests. And you don't even realize it.

Nor do you realize that the only reason you have a comfortable middle class existence is because of liberal policies, not conservative.

At least not any conservative bills that have passed in the last 30 years. Since Reagan, you have been getting fucked, and you've taken it because the GOP kissed you just right. Not too much tongue. But you are that dirty little christian girl that behind closed doors likes your hair pulled or maybe you like to snorkle. LOL.

Shut the fuck up you moron.

I haven't voted for a repudlican or a dimocrat in any of the last 20 years.

If thats true, then you're not half bad Skull.

 

[Skull Pilot]

To them we are all N*&##rs. Even you. You're just the dumb N*(*&#$R that votes witht them and against your own best interests. And you don't even realize it.

Nor do you realize that the only reason you have a comfortable middle class existence is because of liberal policies, not conservative.

At least not any conservative bills that have passed in the last 30 years. Since Reagan, you have been getting fucked, and you've taken it because the GOP kissed you just right. Not too much tongue. But you are that dirty little christian girl that behind closed doors likes your hair pulled or maybe you like to snorkle. LOL.

Shut the fuck up you moron.

I haven't voted for a repudlican or a dimocrat in any of the last 20 years.

If thats true, then you're not half bad Skull.

And you're still a fucking moron.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Well the difference being that liberals are socialists and unamerican.

Except that America was founded by liberals who were in love with Locke, Hume, and Kant.

Damned those facts, always getting in the way of talking points!

 

[CMike]

Look what's so hard to understand?

Even though he is a moderator he has the same rights as a regular poster.

A regular poster has the "right" to name call another poster.

So although he can be an asshole + a moderator, he still has the same right to call you an asshole, as you have to call him an asshole.

 

[CMike]

The term liberal and conservative has changed dramatically during the years.

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Conservatives love America and what it means, and support America's allies.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The problem with liberals is that their agenda is based on flat out lies.

You refer, of course, to the equality of men and their abilities and conditions which Locke set forth as the foundation for his treatise and the fundamental principle of liberal ideology and rhetoric, yes?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Liberals typically find free speech frightening.

Which is why the very liberals who founded this nation address the First Amendment...

 

[edthecynic]

The problem with liberals is that their agenda is based on flat out lies.

They get their "facts" and marching orders from their liberal leaders.

To liberals it's not about fairness, truth, or honesty. It's solely about winning. They lack integrity, and will go to any lengths to destory any opposition.

YouTube - Greatest movie line ever!

He said mindlessly parroting Stuttering LimpTard.

March 23, 2009
RUSH: And one of the things we know about liberalism is that it is a lie. It has to lie in order to survive. It has to create demons. It has to create enemies that have to be destroyed.

November 24, 2009
RUSH: The left, my friends, is a truly evil bunch.

February 1 2008
RUSH: you do not know the left in this country. You do not know the enemy.

Typical DittoTard projection. See the first quote in my sig.

February 11, 2008
RUSH: See, I think liberalism needs to be beaten back; I think it needs to be defeated; I think politically it is the enemy; ... It has to be beaten, not joined, not be reached out to, not be gotten along with, not worked with. It needs to be beaten

Great minds think alike.

But PROGRAMMED hypocrites parrot the same hypocrisy!
You will find your programming in the first quote in my sig.

And how "great" is a "mind" that can't even see the hypocrisy even after it has been highlighted so no one can miss it???????

 

[Skull Pilot]

The term liberal and conservative has changed dramatically during the years.

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Conservatives love America and what it means, and support America's allies.

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/whatisclassicalliberalism.pdf

 

[sealybobo]

Shut the fuck up you moron.

I haven't voted for a repudlican or a dimocrat in any of the last 20 years.

If thats true, then you're not half bad Skull.

And you're still a fucking moron.

No now come on now! If you aren't voting GOP, you can't be as dumb as I thought you were. At least you get that much.

But you need to pick a side. Even Palin knew that she needed to be a Republican, even though she really belongs to the Alaskan Independence Party. The leader encouraged her to join the GOP. She wouldn't have won as Gov of Alaska being a member of the AIP. And your non vote is not making a difference either way.

But if you did you would no doubt be a Republican, so I take back everything I said. Stay a tea bagging libertarian. That movement is catching on like poison ivy.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Conservatives want to continue polluting too. They know it is wrong, but doing right would cost them more money, and they don't want that.

Bourgeois Liberals also opposed anti-pollution laws as abridging freedom, claiming that people would vote with their wallets for non-polluting companies if pollution were a concern for the masses. It was Leftists, especially environmental leftists and those who believe their is a moral obligation to one's fellow humans, present, and future, who pushed for environmental protection.

Conservatives refuse to fix healthcare or NAFTA, even though both are flawed.

'Conservative' is not an ideology. Those who called themselves 'conservatives' in those debates were arguing the liberal case.

Because they benefit from the flaws!!!

Bourgeois liberalism is based on the 'right to exploit'

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

Fail. A socialist calling himself a liberal becomes a liberal no more than an angel calling himself God becomes God, a conqueror calling himself a liberator becomes a liberator, or a lunatic calling himself the reincarnated Christ becomes the Messiah.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

'conservative' is a meaningless term. Conservatives in American History were called Tories,slavekeepers, and Detroit police. Liberals were patriots, abolitionists, and civil rights marchers.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Right... because the people who founded the nation hated it...

Sometimes I think you're trying as hard as you can to sound like Pubes

 

[sealybobo]

Conservatives want to continue polluting too. They know it is wrong, but doing right would cost them more money, and they don't want that.

Bourgeois Liberals also opposed anti-pollution laws as abridging freedom, claiming that people would vote with their wallets for non-polluting companies is pollution was a concern for the masses. It was Leftists, especially environmental leftists and those who believe their is a moral obligation to one's fellow humans, present, and future, who pushed for enviromental protection.

Conservatives refuse to fix healthcare or NAFTA, even though both are flawed.

'Conservative' is not an ideology. Those who called themselves 'conservatives' in those debates were arguing the liberal case.

Because they benefit from the flaws!!!

Bourgeois liberalism is based on the 'right to exploit'

I agree. It was the left that faught for and won environmental protections.

 

[sealybobo]

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

Fail. A socialist calling himself a liberal becomes a liberal no more than an angel calling himself God becomes God, a conqueror calling himself a liberator becomes a liberator, or a lunatic calling himself the reincarnated Christ becomes the Messiah.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

'conservative' is a meaningless term. Conservatives in American History were called Tories,slavekeepers, and Detroit police. Liberals were patriots, abolitionists, and civil rights marchers.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Right... because the people who founded the nation hated it...

Sometimes I think you're trying as hard as you can to sound like Pubes

So your general theme is that us liberals aren't really liberals?

So you are suggesting that we don't really care about the environment or workers wages?

Or that YOUR SIDE actually is the side that cares about high worker wages and a strong middle class?

Or that your side doesn't like jobs abroad?

Or are you saying it wasn't liberals that freed slaves, gave women the right to vote, faught for civil rights, etc?

It is the righties who are hypocrites. You call yourselves christians but don't do what Jesus said for them.

 

[edthecynic]

The term liberal and conservative has changed dramatically during the years.

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Conservatives love America and what it means, and support America's allies.

Today's CON$ervative is for deliberately misrepresenting what libs, or anyone else who does not agree with them, stand for.

CON$ hate America so much they want to destroy this country from within by completely polarizing its people and pitting them against each other.

August 16, 2007
RUSH: See, just what I just said. An organization that is not conservative will, by definition, be liberal.

May 12, 2008
RUSH: by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal

February 11, 2008
RUSH: See, I think liberalism needs to be beaten back; I think it needs to be defeated; I think politically it is the enemy; ... It has to be beaten, not joined, not be reached out to, not be gotten along with, not worked with. It needs to be beaten

 

[Vanquish]

Posts like the original post in this thread are the reason why debate in this country is terrible and why these forums are only good for about 10% of what's on here.

There's just no excuse to paint 100% of either side as always right or always wrong.

There is one good by-product of this post...it helps me grow my ignore list.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

So your general theme is that us liberals aren't really liberals?

My point is that many people call themselves liberals whore are not liberals. Oftentimes, they do it out of ignorance of terms.

So you are suggesting that we don't really care about the environment or workers wages?

Not if you're a liberal, you don't. Liberalism opposes minimum wages, arguing that fair wages will be achieved because noone will work if there's not fair pay involved and that competition for jobs acts to push wages down and competition for employees pushes them up, eventually leading to a balance. They hold that the same forced guide the cost of goods and also that of labour.

History proves the liberal assertions false, which is why many who sit to the liberals' left, including many socialist systems (social democracy and democratic socialism, for instance, have advocated minimum wages. A similar battle has been fought over workplace safety laws (OSHA, housings for formerly covered gears, etc). Recall that modern Leftist thought emerged out of the exploitation of the proletariat made possible by the Industrial Revolution and justified using Liberal ideology (note that he advocates of Bourgeois Liberalism were the Bourgeoisie and landed gentry who emerged as the new ruling class following the end of the Monarchies and Aristocracies in Europe and the liberation of America from the Crown.

Or that YOUR SIDE actually is the side that cares about high worker wages and a strong middle class?

Which side, exactly, do you think I am on?

Or that your side doesn't like jobs abroad?

Clarify. Do I want people around the world to have access to the means to improve their condition? Yes. Do I support sweat shops as a means of avoiding compliance with laws designed to protect the worker? No. What, exactly, do you intend to ask?

Or are you saying it wasn't liberals that freed slaves, gave women the right to vote, faught for civil rights, etc?

It seems you weren't paying attention.

☭proletarian☭[/B]]
Liberals were patriots, abolitionists, and civil rights marchers.

It is the righties who are hypocrites.

They're not the only ones, but they do tend to be hypocrites. What's your point?

You call yourselves christians but don't do what Jesus said for them.

Actually, I'm an atheist. What ever made you think I was a xtian?