Are you proud to be an American?
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GLASNOST
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Pride cometh before the fall. Proverbs 16:18
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Thinker101
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Yep, bet you say that every time you march in a Pride Parade.
AZrailwhale
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Well, you need somebody to protect you, even the city-state of Singapore has a bigger navy than you do. Hell the Somali Pirates could probably defeat your navy and subjugate
Yeah, you spent years of blood and treasure defending the United Kingdom, who abandoned both you and Australia to the tender mercies of the Japanese. The only reason they didn't invade you was that you had nothing they wanted, since they don't generally eat Mutton and you were defenseless and could wait to be swept up after they defeated the USA and Australia. Germany and Italy were no short-term threat to the USA, and in the long term our forces would have dwarfed anything they could field.The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
AZrailwhale
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The USA, Japan, Germany and the UK all developed radar at the same time and Japan developed the cavity magnetron before the UK did. They just didn't see any use for it.The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
Crepitus
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Speaking as an American I can say unequivocally that they do not.
Leo123
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You mean ‘America hater’ which is what you seem to be.
1) "economic blockade" and sanctions are what you Lefty wingnuts are always saying the West should do rather than go to use of military force. In the case of Japan in late 1930s-1940s the "economic blockade was intended to persuade Japan to end it's war against China and the capture of Chinese territory. Japan had a choice, two it seems;The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
A) Stop the war against China and return the lands taken, pay compensation, etc.
B) Use it as an excuse to expand the war against the USA and the West, mainly the British/UK* and the Dutch.
We see what Japan chose.
I didn't say Japan had plans to invade Australia and/or New Zealand. They would have rather-ed severe contact with the West/UK and compel Australia and New Zealand to only participate in their Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Had the USA declined to go to war with Japan after the Pearl Harbor and other attacks in the Pacific, Japan might have had a free hand in isolating Australia and New Zealand, hence the "incentive" to learn Japanese for trade reasons.
As a member of the UK Commonwealth Aus. and NZ were drawn into the war a couple years earlier, in the ETO, mostly the MTO fighting the Italians and then the Germans in North Africa. Take your ***** to England on that issue.
Point here is no person or nation can be "provoked" unless they want to be, and use such as an excuse for the course of action they CHOOSE.
"to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers."The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
Just love it how the world, especially Europeans, keep fugging with each other, starting wars and genocides, then expect the USA to put an end to such and pay for the costs and repairs of something we didn't start and tried to prevent in the first place.
Sorry Charlie, but while Kiwis helped in the war against the fascists, they and the UK wouldn't have won, or survived in the long run, without the USA stepping in. FDR was dealing with a citizenry here that was reluctant to get directly involved in another "foreign started war", hence the stand off at first. It was also that public that had to be mollified but not paying out of their pocket for other's war. As it was, our "cash registers" weren't ringing up sales and support to both sides, only to the Allies, we eventually went to the Lend-Lease* concept, and never really got paid back for the full costs of such. (Not to mention the post war costs like the Marshall Plan involved in repair and rebuilding the damage done during that war which the USA still has never been fully repaid for nor thanked. Seems our "cash registers" are there for others to dip their hands in and help themselves to.)
* Lend-lease to New Zealand included quite a few modern aircraft of the time, and other weapons and vehicles.
Kiwis Over the Pacific: The RNZAF in World War II
The Royal New Zealand Air Force played a pivotal role in the war against Japan.
warfarehistorynetwork.com
Lend-Lease - Wikipedia
Meanwhile, USA presence in New Zealand during the war was a large boost to your economy, industry, culture, etc.
US forces in New Zealand | NZ History
The first American soldiers landed on New Zealand soil in June 1942, beginning an 'invasion' which would have a profound impact on both visitors and hosts over the next 18 months.
"I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American."The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
Al Gore is a mediocre American, at best, and a typical politician claiming credit for something he had no real or functional role in. The "internet" was in the pipeline long before Al Gore jumped on that bandwagon.
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The history of the Internet originated in the efforts of scientists and engineers to build and interconnect computer networks. The Internet Protocol Suite, the set of rules used to communicate between networks and devices on the Internet, arose from research and development in the United States and involved international collaboration, particularly with researchers in the United Kingdom and France.<a href="History of the Internet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a><a href="History of the Internet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="History of the Internet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>
Computer science was an emerging discipline in the late 1950s that began to consider time-sharing between computer users, and later, the possibility of achieving this over wide area networks. J. C. R. Licklider developed the idea of a universal network at the Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO) of the United States Department of Defense (DoD) Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). Independently, Paul Baran at the RAND Corporation proposed a distributed network based on data in message blocks in the early 1960s, and Donald Davies conceived of packet switching in 1965 at the National Physical Laboratory (NPL), proposing a national commercial data network in the United Kingdom.
ARPA awarded contracts in 1969 for the development of the ARPANET project, directed by Robert Taylor and managed by Lawrence Roberts. ARPANET adopted the packet switching technology proposed by Davies and Baran. The network of Interface Message Processors (IMPs) was built by a team at Bolt, Beranek, and Newman, with the design and specification led by Bob Kahn. The host-to-host protocol was specified by a group of graduate students at UCLA, led by Steve Crocker, along with Jon Postel and others. The ARPANET expanded rapidly across the United States with connections to the United Kingdom and Norway.
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History of the Internet - Wikipedia
"I can use a map and compass."The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
That's good. Helps to have a back up system.
But when navigating aircraft and ocean vessels great distances, you may want more than that.
With an economy and global trade under-pinning your lifestyle, even over in Kiwi-land, GPS plays a key role in your life, even if you can't grasp the effect.
Global Positioning System - Wikipedia
HikerGuy83
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"I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports."The Japanese had no plans to invade NZ after the US had provoked it to war with an economic blockade. It wanted to isolate Australia.
Apart from that, NZ spent blood and treasure for years in pitched battles
to save you from the fascists before Japan's attack and Germany's declaration made you put down your cash registers.
I thank Al Gore for the internet, a great American.
I can use a map and compass.
I thank the UK for the radar that keeps us safe at airports.
As pointed out in post #249 here, UK wasn't the only one involved in developing radar. -
AZrailwhale
More significant on what keeps you safe at airports, and in between, was the work done by the USA during World War Two building paved runway airports around the world, along with expanding the navigation, especially radio use* for air-lanes (roads in the sky), as well as related Air Traffic Control systems. All as part of the globe spanning Air Transport Command built by the USA, much of which got turned over to commercial use, in the US and internationally, after WWII.
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Air Transport Command (ATC) was a United States Air Force unit that was created during World War II as the strategic airlift component of the United States Army Air Forces.
It had two main missions, the first being the delivery of supplies and equipment between the United States and the overseas combat theaters; the second was the ferrying of aircraft from the manufacturing plants in the United States to where they were needed for training or for operational use in combat. ATC also operated a worldwide air transportation system for military personnel.
Inactivated on 1 June 1948, Air Transport Command was the precursor to what became the Military Air Transport Service in 1948 and was redesignated Military Airlift Command (MAC) in 1966. It was consolidated with MAC in 1982, providing a continuous history of long range airlift through 1992 when the mission was transferred to today's Air Mobility Command.
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Air Transport Command - Wikipedia
* During the 1920-1930s, Pan Am Airways pioneered many of the globe spanning air-routes and the base and navigational aids infrastructure to support their growing airline. This proved to be a handy foundation for ATC to build upon once WWII broke out.
The Pan Am Historical Foundation - How PAA Went To War
How America's Airline Went To War, by Steve Weintz, an article about Pan Am during World War Two with an original clip from "Clippers At War."
www.panam.org
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Japan got a large boost on radar development after sinking the UK warships Repulse and Prince of Wales, from which their divers retrieved the radar equipment off the sunken wrecks.
They aren't the only things not mentioned but could be given time and inclination.
NIH & CDC tend to be mostly for internal, domestic use. Other nations have their own equivalents.
USAID started with good intentions but became a fiscal disaster when abused by our politicians and the recipient nations. Somehow (classic human greed ) the world got used to the USA being 'Daddy Big Buck$' and the other First World nations failed to share much of their wealth with other nations. Plus too many lost the purpose being to provide start-up funding, not perpetual entitlements.
There are many other things that could be on this list, not YET mentioned here.
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