Are you in favor of Obama's new Amnesty/Voter register program?

[Woyzeck]

On principle, I'm not a big fan of amnesty, as its a bit silly to reward someone for breaking the law. But I'll be damned if it isn't a pragmatic move. The alternative would be to deport them all back to wear they came from, millions of illegal immigrants would cost millions of dollars to do so. Via amnesty, the government gets more citizens to tax, more legal workers to work in the economy, more potential voters who would be persuaded to vote a certain way, etc. I'm probably generalizing greatly, though.

Give 'em amnesty and after that's done, beef up the borders.

 

[MikeK]

I voted for Obama only because it was him or McCain. Kucinich was my first choice and he or Alan Grayson are the type of personality we need in the White House. We need a Progressive radical and what we've got is a corporate puppet.

I hope we have a good alternative to Obama in 2012 because he is a major disappointment.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You should love Mitt Romney then.

 

[EriktheRed]

I voted for Obama only because it was him or McCain. Kucinich was my first choice and he or Alan Grayson are the type of personality we need in the White House. We need a Progressive radical and what we've got is a corporate puppet.

I hope we have a good alternative to Obama in 2012 because he is a major disappointment.

The corporations sure hate him, so he must be doing something right.

 

[R.C. Christian]

So you'd have children kept here as a reward for their law-breaking scumbag parents taking the risk of wading across a narrow spot in a river and staying off the radar long enough to go in to labor.
The baby would have been born, regardless.
To use their kid as a political tool to garner your sympathy only for their welfare benefits is just as abusive as you attempt to label Ollie.

Look friend, I'm simply saying that it isn't the childrens fault. So what do you do? Amend the constitution? Not going to happen. Perhaps, we could put the kids in state care and send the wetbacks packing? In the eyes of the child that is the ultimate cruelty.

Taking a child away from criminal parents is never cruel and is always in the best interests of the child. Better that than let the parents teach their kids to be criminals just like them. Where do you think those stupid kids in Georgia came from? The ones marching down the street insisting that the students who wore shirts with the American Flag on it on May 5th be suspended? The one's who compared Cinco De Mayo to our own Independence Day and said "We wouldn't wear our colors on July 4th". The idiots don't even know that their own Independence Day is in September and Cinco De Mayo had nothing to do with it, plus, they ADMIT that they AREN'T AMERICAN and at the same time INSIST that we conform to THEIR customs.

Everyone of those kids that were born in America would have been better off if they'd been taken away from their illegal parents and adopted by an AMERICAN family. Why do you think Mexicans actually have MORE children here than in Mexico? Yeah, because we PAY them to do so. They don't care about those kids....they're just income to them. They would be much better off taken away from their parents.

Oh, and before someone else says it, yes I know there are Americans like that as well, their kids should be taken away too.

Truly awful.

 

[Intense]

You should love Mitt Romney then.

What's the point here Jake???? Are you interested in running his campaign or just undermining the election process???? Thought so.

Just so you know, he was my first choice last round.

 

[Againsheila]

found this list on another website thought it was interesting, how much these criminal cost us all.
Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America,

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens.(that' s Billion with a 'B') FAIR: Immigration and Welfare

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English! CNN.com - Transcripts

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year. CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. - http://transcripts. cnn.com/TRANSCRI PTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01. html

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts. cnn.com/TRANSCRI PTS/0606/ 12/ldt.01. html

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S.from the southern border. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute./.org/publications.php?b= deportation

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States! Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D. - Criminal Profiler : Crime & Terrorism investigation resources




Read more: GOPUSA » Fresh Ink » Mr. President, American citizens are under attack. DO SOMETHING.

I think just about everybody would like to see illegal immigrants pack their bags and leave. But we know that's not going to happen. It's counterproductive to maintain this insane idea that we are going to round up and deport 10 or 15 million people. The cost of deportation alone is estimated at $41 billion/yr. and it would take a number of years. The cost could run in the hundreds of billions. Then there's the cost to businesses of replacing cheap illegal immigrant labor. Contrary to what many believe, a large segment of the illegals pay social security tax and income tax via payroll deduction, which will be lost income for the fed. Removing large numbers from communities means lose of sales taxes and lose sales to local businesses. But the most significant reason why mass deportations will not occur is the media. You can imagine the stories of broken homes and families that would be on TV every evening.

Real Immigration reform is the only practical way to solve the problem.

Amnesty is not "real immigration reform", it's only rewarding the law breakers and insulting those who followed our laws to get here. Like I said before, if we give amnesty to the people who steal into our country and decide to stay, why not give amnesty to burglars who steal into YOUR home and decide to stay? It's the same exact thing.

 

[SFC Ollie]

All we need to do is enforce our laws. No reform is needed. Shore up the border and if that means using federal troops then we get congress to change the law and put them there. But we should have been all over this beginning on 09-12-01, because whether you like it or not folks, the world changed on 09-11-01 and we have got to change with it.

 

[Flopper]

found this list on another website thought it was interesting, how much these criminal cost us all.
Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America,

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens.(that' s Billion with a 'B') FAIR: Immigration and Welfare

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Center for Immigration Studies

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English! CNN.com - Transcripts

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. CNN.com - Transcripts

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year. CNN.com - Transcripts

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. - http://transcripts. cnn.com/TRANSCRI PTS/0610/ 29/ldt.01. html

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts. cnn.com/TRANSCRI PTS/0606/ 12/ldt.01. html

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S.from the southern border. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute./.org/publications.php?b= deportation

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States! Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D. - Criminal Profiler : Crime & Terrorism investigation resources




Read more: GOPUSA » Fresh Ink » Mr. President, American citizens are under attack. DO SOMETHING.

I think just about everybody would like to see illegal immigrants pack their bags and leave. But we know that's not going to happen. It's counterproductive to maintain this insane idea that we are going to round up and deport 10 or 15 million people. The cost of deportation alone is estimated at $41 billion/yr. and it would take a number of years. The cost could run in the hundreds of billions. Then there's the cost to businesses of replacing cheap illegal immigrant labor. Contrary to what many believe, a large segment of the illegals pay social security tax and income tax via payroll deduction, which will be lost income for the fed. Removing large numbers from communities means lose of sales taxes and lose sales to local businesses. But the most significant reason why mass deportations will not occur is the media. You can imagine the stories of broken homes and families that would be on TV every evening.

Real Immigration reform is the only practical way to solve the problem.

Amnesty is not "real immigration reform", it's only rewarding the law breakers and insulting those who followed our laws to get here. Like I said before, if we give amnesty to the people who steal into our country and decide to stay, why not give amnesty to burglars who steal into YOUR home and decide to stay? It's the same exact thing.

As a matter of fact we do give amnesty to burglars and other criminals on a regular basis. Quite often first offenders who plead guilty are released with a slap on the rest, no jail time, just community services, fines, and suspended sentences.

Under the Path to Citizenship, the illegal immigrant pleads guilty, pays fines and back taxes. In addition he has to pass a criminal background check. Then upon paying the necessary fees, he becomes a documented legal resident. However, the Path to Citizenship is only available to those who were residents of US before Dec, 2009. I would say the requirements for amnesty for the illegal immigrants are a lot tougher than for the common thief.

Your argument is without merit.

 

[R.C. Christian]

So, Sgt. Low Class Ollie would have children born in the richest country in the world sent back to one of the world's poorest? I depise illegals, but children are innocent and as such should never be forced to risk starvation, disease, and god knows what else in that shit hole country called Mexico because of their scumbag parents recklessness.

Sergeant First Class to you asswipe, I earned it.

Now I am intelligent enough to know and understand that we cannot take the citizenship away. but we can prevent it from being given in the future. And why should i care about Mexican children whose parents are breaking our laws? Contrary to popular belief Mexico is not a complete shithole, in fact do some research, their unemployment for 2010 is 5.6%.
Mexico Unemployment rate - Economy


**** em, ship their asses back. And any other country too.

You should care because, like you, once they are born here they are no longer mexicans, but Americans. But if you want to amend the constitution be my guest. I agree with your sentiment to a large degree but they're still children. It's the lack of empathy you express toward them that gets my ire, not that you care.

Mexico is a shithole. No not all of it, but enough. Been there plenty. But it's their shit hole and they need to stay there so we can at least agree on that much.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You should love Mitt Romney then.

What's the point here Jake???? Are you interested in running his campaign or just undermining the election process???? Thought so.

Just so you know, he was my first choice last round.

The point is that I would rather have a Mitt Romney then some of the wacks from the far right at the head of the ticket. Uh, supporting a candidate is not undermining the electoral process, it is part and parcel of the electoral process. I compliment you on your very smart choice last round, Intense.

 

[Againsheila]

I think just about everybody would like to see illegal immigrants pack their bags and leave. But we know that's not going to happen. It's counterproductive to maintain this insane idea that we are going to round up and deport 10 or 15 million people. The cost of deportation alone is estimated at $41 billion/yr. and it would take a number of years. The cost could run in the hundreds of billions. Then there's the cost to businesses of replacing cheap illegal immigrant labor. Contrary to what many believe, a large segment of the illegals pay social security tax and income tax via payroll deduction, which will be lost income for the fed. Removing large numbers from communities means lose of sales taxes and lose sales to local businesses. But the most significant reason why mass deportations will not occur is the media. You can imagine the stories of broken homes and families that would be on TV every evening.

Real Immigration reform is the only practical way to solve the problem.

Amnesty is not "real immigration reform", it's only rewarding the law breakers and insulting those who followed our laws to get here. Like I said before, if we give amnesty to the people who steal into our country and decide to stay, why not give amnesty to burglars who steal into YOUR home and decide to stay? It's the same exact thing.

As a matter of fact we do give amnesty to burglars and other criminals on a regular basis. Quite often first offenders who plead guilty are released with a slap on the rest, no jail time, just community services, fines, and suspended sentences.

Under the Path to Citizenship, the illegal immigrant pleads guilty, pays fines and back taxes. In addition he has to pass a criminal background check. Then upon paying the necessary fees, he becomes a documented legal resident. However, the Path to Citizenship is only available to those who were residents of US before Dec, 2009. I would say the requirements for amnesty for the illegal immigrants are a lot tougher than for the common thief.

Your argument is without merit.

And as a reward, the burglar gets to continue to live in your house, after all, he's been there long enough...there's too many of them to kick out...he's just looking for a better life....yeah, right.

You find an illegal, you send them home. You find a burglar, you send them packing..same difference.

 

[ConHog]

I am against it for one reason. The ****** has no intention of closing the border.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Amnesty is not "real immigration reform", it's only rewarding the law breakers and insulting those who followed our laws to get here. Like I said before, if we give amnesty to the people who steal into our country and decide to stay, why not give amnesty to burglars who steal into YOUR home and decide to stay? It's the same exact thing.

As a matter of fact we do give amnesty to burglars and other criminals on a regular basis. Quite often first offenders who plead guilty are released with a slap on the rest, no jail time, just community services, fines, and suspended sentences.

Under the Path to Citizenship, the illegal immigrant pleads guilty, pays fines and back taxes. In addition he has to pass a criminal background check. Then upon paying the necessary fees, he becomes a documented legal resident. However, the Path to Citizenship is only available to those who were residents of US before Dec, 2009. I would say the requirements for amnesty for the illegal immigrants are a lot tougher than for the common thief.

Your argument is without merit.

And as a reward, the burglar gets to continue to live in your house, after all, he's been there long enough...there's too many of them to kick out...he's just looking for a better life....yeah, right.

You find an illegal, you send them home. You find a burglar, you send them packing..same difference.

We have been throught this before: your comparison is inaccurate, thus not applicable.

 

[Flopper]

Amnesty is not "real immigration reform", it's only rewarding the law breakers and insulting those who followed our laws to get here. Like I said before, if we give amnesty to the people who steal into our country and decide to stay, why not give amnesty to burglars who steal into YOUR home and decide to stay? It's the same exact thing.

As a matter of fact we do give amnesty to burglars and other criminals on a regular basis. Quite often first offenders who plead guilty are released with a slap on the rest, no jail time, just community services, fines, and suspended sentences.

Under the Path to Citizenship, the illegal immigrant pleads guilty, pays fines and back taxes. In addition he has to pass a criminal background check. Then upon paying the necessary fees, he becomes a documented legal resident. However, the Path to Citizenship is only available to those who were residents of US before Dec, 2009. I would say the requirements for amnesty for the illegal immigrants are a lot tougher than for the common thief.

Your argument is without merit.

And as a reward, the burglar gets to continue to live in your house, after all, he's been there long enough...there's too many of them to kick out...he's just looking for a better life....yeah, right.

You find an illegal, you send them home. You find a burglar, you send them packing..same difference.

Amnesty for first offenders, who plead guilty is part of our judicial system. Is the burglar who breaks into a home more or less deserving of amnesty than the Mexican who breaks into our country? The answer depends on your personal beliefs concerning crime and punishment and which crime you consider the more serious.

However, there is a big difference between our burglar and the illegal immigrant. The illegal immigrant once he has gained legal status, can not be a repeat offender. One can't say the same about our burglar. The burglar entered your home to do malice. The illegal immigrant entered the country not to do malice but to seek work to provide for himself and his family. There's a big difference.

 

[ConHog]

As a matter of fact we do give amnesty to burglars and other criminals on a regular basis. Quite often first offenders who plead guilty are released with a slap on the rest, no jail time, just community services, fines, and suspended sentences.

Under the Path to Citizenship, the illegal immigrant pleads guilty, pays fines and back taxes. In addition he has to pass a criminal background check. Then upon paying the necessary fees, he becomes a documented legal resident. However, the Path to Citizenship is only available to those who were residents of US before Dec, 2009. I would say the requirements for amnesty for the illegal immigrants are a lot tougher than for the common thief.

Your argument is without merit.

And as a reward, the burglar gets to continue to live in your house, after all, he's been there long enough...there's too many of them to kick out...he's just looking for a better life....yeah, right.

You find an illegal, you send them home. You find a burglar, you send them packing..same difference.

Amnesty for first offenders, who plead guilty is part of our judicial system. Is the burglar who breaks into a home more or less deserving of amnesty than the Mexican who breaks into our country? The answer depends on your personal beliefs concerning crime and punishment and which crime you consider the more serious.

However, there is a big difference between our burglar and the illegal immigrant. The illegal immigrant once he has gained legal status, can not be a repeat offender. One can't say the same about our burglar. The burglar entered your home to do malice. The illegal immigrant entered the country not to do malice but to seek work to provide for himself and his family. There's a big difference.

You clearly know that isn't true of every invader.

 

[Foxfyre]

And as a reward, the burglar gets to continue to live in your house, after all, he's been there long enough...there's too many of them to kick out...he's just looking for a better life....yeah, right.

You find an illegal, you send them home. You find a burglar, you send them packing..same difference.

Amnesty for first offenders, who plead guilty is part of our judicial system. Is the burglar who breaks into a home more or less deserving of amnesty than the Mexican who breaks into our country? The answer depends on your personal beliefs concerning crime and punishment and which crime you consider the more serious.

However, there is a big difference between our burglar and the illegal immigrant. The illegal immigrant once he has gained legal status, can not be a repeat offender. One can't say the same about our burglar. The burglar entered your home to do malice. The illegal immigrant entered the country not to do malice but to seek work to provide for himself and his family. There's a big difference.

You clearly know that isn't true of every invader.

That's for sure. A disproportionate number of our jail and prison populations in New Mexico are illegal immigrants who committed crimes far more serious than entering the country illegally. A largely disproportionate number of car thefts, traffic accidents, burglaries, thefts, drug crimes, assault and battery are committed by illegals here. But New Mexico is effectively a 'sanctuary state' because our Governor does not wish to evict the illegals.

I had the unhappy duty of administering a work comp claim for an illegal who broke into a lady's house, stole some stuff and then trashed the place, tied up her little dog and burned it alive in the bathtub and left threatening notes of what he would do to her when she returned home. The poor woman, dealing with all that trauma, lived for two weeks in fear of her life before, by pure chance, the guy was caught, convicted, and sent to prison.

And because he had a pending work comp claim, I had the happy duty of sending him a work comp check every week while he was in prison.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What's your point, Foxfyre? Did the guy have a legitimate work comp claim that had nothing to do with the crime? If so, then you are incorrect to suggest that it was wrong for him to get it, even though he is a sleazeball of a human being.

 

[Againsheila]

I am against it for one reason. The ****** has no intention of closing the border.

I'm against it for many reasons, including the fact that it's a slap in the face to every legal immigrant in this nation.

 

[Againsheila]

Amnesty for first offenders, who plead guilty is part of our judicial system. Is the burglar who breaks into a home more or less deserving of amnesty than the Mexican who breaks into our country? The answer depends on your personal beliefs concerning crime and punishment and which crime you consider the more serious.

However, there is a big difference between our burglar and the illegal immigrant. The illegal immigrant once he has gained legal status, can not be a repeat offender. One can't say the same about our burglar. The burglar entered your home to do malice. The illegal immigrant entered the country not to do malice but to seek work to provide for himself and his family. There's a big difference.

You clearly know that isn't true of every invader.

That's for sure. A disproportionate number of our jail and prison populations in New Mexico are illegal immigrants who committed crimes far more serious than entering the country illegally. A largely disproportionate number of car thefts, traffic accidents, burglaries, thefts, drug crimes, assault and battery are committed by illegals here. But New Mexico is effectively a 'sanctuary state' because our Governor does not wish to evict the illegals.

I had the unhappy duty of administering a work comp claim for an illegal who broke into a lady's house, stole some stuff and then trashed the place, tied up her little dog and burned it alive in the bathtub and left threatening notes of what he would do to her when she returned home. The poor woman, dealing with all that trauma, lived for two weeks in fear of her life before, by pure chance, the guy was caught, convicted, and sent to prison.

And because he had a pending work comp claim, I had the happy duty of sending him a work comp check every week while he was in prison.

Someone broke into my Aunts beach cabin years ago and helped himself to the food, stayed there, lived there, until one of her friends caught him and sent him packing. Interesting that you think he should have just been able to stay in her beach cabin because all he wanted was a better life and didn't enter her beach cabin to do malice, but just to live and eat her food. It's the SAME thing. They are stealing into our home (our country). They are taking OUR jobs, they are reducing OUR wages, they are stealing from US and you think it's just fine because they only want a job and to feed their families. Well guess what, there's a heck of a lot of American's who want jobs, some who have them and still can't feed their families and the fault of that lays on those illegals and our government that INCREASED immigration when we DECREASED our birthrate. The truth is that without all those illegals and legal immigrants, our income gap would not be so high today and we wouldn't be facing this worldwide depression. Yes, other countries have illegals too and too many have refused to realize that this is BAD for EVERYBODY.