Annie
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No sweetie, you are wrong.
Are you born gay?
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No sweetie, you are wrong.
1549
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Normally we agree Grump, but I have a different take on this one. I think a private religious organization like the church can have its own definition of marriage. It is the government that most certainly should not be allowed to discriminate--that much I am positive we agree on.
Dr Grump
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Nor should you be able to get married in Mecca, you're not a Muslim. If gays have their own churches, then you're right, no problemo.
As for your second question ,For the same reason Alabama had to get rid of the Jim Crow laws.
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manu1959
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there are plenty of gay churches in san francisco.....try waking into a lesbo church as a straight dude in the castro or as a white dude in west oakland or the bay view.....
Dr Grump
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You could be right on that re the church - to a degree. Some churches are already split on the issue
jillian
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I'm gonna have to chime in on this one, too, Grump. I think separation of church and state has to go both ways, so I figure Churches get to do things there own way. If a person doesn't find what they need from a particular denomination, they can look elsewhere. The main issue is the government treating everyone equally... and if they can derive the same benefits as married heterosexuals, then I think that satisfies the discrimination issue.
Just sayin'.
Dr Grump
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LOL..you tried it?? Fair point, but I still believe trying to discriminate against somebody due to their sexuality is morally wrong, which basically is my argument...
Dr Grump
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I'm gonna have to chime in on this one, too, Grump. I think separation of church and state has to go both ways, so I figure Churches get to do things there own way. If a person doesn't find what they need from a particular denomination, they can look elsewhere. The main issue is the government treating everyone equally... and if they can derive the same benefits as married heterosexuals, then I think that satisfies the discrimination issue.
Just sayin'.
As I said to 1549, maybe a fair call, but it jsut reeks of hypocrisy, not just discriminating against them, but the whole "inclusive" aspects of Christianity
jillian
Princess
I understand your point. But every religion sets its own rules and many of them aren't evenhanded. Islam doesn't allow women into the mosque, I think. Orthodox Judaism separates men and women and women can't do services or participate in Torah readings. In Catholicism, women can't be priests... at least not in any way sanctioned by Rome.
Many Churches have split on this issue, the Episcopal Church coming first and foremost to mind. But there are places where a gay couple can comfortably be married in a "committment ceremony".
Mostly, I think it would be dangerous ground for government to tell religious groups what to do, same as it is for religion to dictate to government.
dilloduck
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You won't be the only one here that's pissed at Christians because they don't understand them.
Dr Grump
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What about Satanists who believe in human sacrifice. Ridiculous arguement I know, but would fit right in with some arguments on this board. Put it up there with "gays can marry hetros too" argument...
Dr Grump
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I understand Christians perfectly. And I'm not pissed at them. Can't think of one time when I've ever been pissed at the religion, only those that would try and make laws based on Christianity...
Kagom
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Satanists don't believe in human sacrifice. That was a bunch of bullshit created by the religious people of the 60's and 70's. And Hollywood.
jillian
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lol... well, we already intervene when someone's going to be injured, particularly a child. When I would go do family court cases, we used to see a lot of the neglect cases brought regarding Santaria, and the carving of symbol's in a sick child's body, or in denial of medical treatment to a child by a parent who might be a Christian Scientist.
Different situation, though. I don't think there's ever been a case brought trying to force an adult Christian Scientist to get medical treatment or the like. It mostly has to do with the inability of a child to consent.
manu1959
Left Coast Isolationist
i used to go to gay bars to get free drinks.....i like to challenge the status quo and spin the tables
The ClayTaurus
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It's a tough call. I'd be inclined to agree that it's infringement of your rights, but children are susceptible to many teachings of things that are wrong being ok. I was always told the job of the parent was to monitor and correct these misteachings. I will admit it would be easier to raise my future children if the country were just a crackerjack version of my personal morality, but alas I don't see that happening.
Beyond any of that, however, is the simple difference that a homocidal sociopath, by definition, infringes on rights. A homosexual, by definition, doesn't.
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