Are you a 'process or outcome' oriented person?

[MarathonMike]

I had interesting discussion with a friend about "process oriented" people vs. "outcome oriented" people. Process oriented people do not focus solely on the final result but rather on the daily process of achieving a particular outcome. For example, an outcome oriented golfer might obsess about breaking 80 and spend thousands on golf equipment and watch short cut videos and "hacks" on how to drop strokes. The process oriented golfer would focus in how to hit the ball more consistently, how to develop a solid repeatable swing. how to properly play sand shots etc. The ultimate score thus takes care of itself.

I think it's fair to say that process oriented people are by nature patient whereas outcome oriented people are not. There may be generational aspects as well in that the younger generation seems to be less patient and more into shortcuts and "hacks" to get to their goal than older generations. But that's just my perspective.

 

[WelfareQueen]

I had interesting discussion with a friend about "process oriented" people vs. "outcome oriented" people. Process oriented people do not focus solely on the final result but rather on the daily process of achieving a particular outcome. For example, an outcome oriented golfer might obsess about breaking 80 and spend thousands on golf equipment and watch short cut videos and "hacks" on how to drop strokes. The process oriented golfer would focus in how to hit the ball more consistently, how to develop a solid repeatable swing. how to properly play sand shots etc. The ultimate score thus takes care of itself.

I think it's fair to say that process oriented people are by nature patient whereas outcome oriented people are not. There may be generational aspects as well in that the younger generation seems to be less patient and more into shortcuts and "hacks" to get to their goal than older generations. But that's just my perspective.

100% outcome person. And yes, I have very little patience.

 

[1srelluc]

Process....Once I finish rehabilitating a weapon I quickly lose interest in it and go looking for the next project gun.

 

[MarathonMike]

100% outcome person. And yes, I have very little patience.

Interesting! I would think musicians (which I know you are) are typically process people.

 

[Crepitus]

I had interesting discussion with a friend about "process oriented" people vs. "outcome oriented" people. Process oriented people do not focus solely on the final result but rather on the daily process of achieving a particular outcome. For example, an outcome oriented golfer might obsess about breaking 80 and spend thousands on golf equipment and watch short cut videos and "hacks" on how to drop strokes. The process oriented golfer would focus in how to hit the ball more consistently, how to develop a solid repeatable swing. how to properly play sand shots etc. The ultimate score thus takes care of itself.

I think it's fair to say that process oriented people are by nature patient whereas outcome oriented people are not. There may be generational aspects as well in that the younger generation seems to be less patient and more into shortcuts and "hacks" to get to their goal than older generations. But that's just my perspective.

Depends on the task, the time frame, and various other factors. Both ways have their place.

 

[evenflow1969]

Well if ya wanna score in golf ya better strike the ball consistently. I don't care how much money you have in bag. I flat smoke guys with multiple thousand dollars bags. With cheap TDK irons and Callaway look alike woods. Beyond all that if you are not spending a great deal of practice time on or around the green you ain't got a prayer. That all being said I had a process of practicing that led to a positive out come. That process in my mind had very little to do with equipment in my mind

 

[sparky]

Having been in the trades 4 decades , i often find myself immersed in 'process' ...~S~

 

[MarathonMike]

Well if ya wanna score in golf ya better strike the ball consistently. I don't care how much money you have in bag. I flat smoke guys with multiple thousand dollars bags. With cheap TDK irons and Callaway look alike woods. Beyond all that if you are not spending a great deal of practice time on or around the green you ain't got a prayer. That all being said I had a process of practicing that led to a positive out come. That process in my mind had very little to do with equipment in my mind

The golf example was just that, an example. You are more successful at golf because you are process oriented and the guys you are beating are most likely outcome oriented. Another example: During my engineering career I always focused on the process of improving my code, or integrating systems together. My bosses would be freaking out about this system has to be ready for qualification by this date! I would tell them I'll do my best but right now no one knows why it's failing and I have to first identify WHAT is wrong and then HOW to make it work. That is a process that takes time. They never liked that answer. LOL

 

[WelfareQueen]

Interesting! I would think musicians (which I know you are) are typically process people.

Music is one of the few things where I enjoy the process as much as the outcome. I am a very impatient person. It is not something I am proud of, but I do tend to get things done.

 

[whitehall]

All bets are off if you factor in emotion. Why would a woman spend $500 on a pair of shoes? Why do people donate to food banks when the majority of Americans are obese? Why do democrats hate Trump?

 

[MarathonMike]

All bets are off if you factor in emotion. Why would a woman spend $500 on a pair of shoes? Why do people donate to food banks when the majority of Americans are obese? Why do democrats hate Trump?

Sorry, no idea how that relates to the topic.

 

[whitehall]

Sorry, no idea how that relates to the topic.

Sorry, no idea how that relates to the topic.

Maybe your intent was to troll with cliches unrelated to real life and my opinion didn't fit in your narrative. Sorry.

 

[MarathonMike]

Maybe your intent was to troll with cliches unrelated to real life and my opinion didn't fit in your narrative. Sorry.

I'm not trolling you at all! The topic was "process" vs "outcome" oriented people. Emotion is not relevant to the topic.

 

[toobfreak]

I had interesting discussion with a friend about "process oriented" people vs. "outcome oriented" people. Process oriented people do not focus solely on the final result but rather on the daily process of achieving a particular outcome.

PROCESS orientated people are primarily focused on the method, the process, following the rules, connecting all the dots, staying within bounds, whether it get the job done right or fastest or first.

OUTCOME orientated people don't care how they get it done or whether corners are cut, just so long as the job gets finished.

Most people are some combination of a little of both.

 

[MarathonMike]

PROCESS orientated people are primarily focused on the method, the process, following the rules, connecting all the dots, staying within bounds, whether it get the job done right or fastest or first.

OUTCOME orientated people don't care how they get it done or whether corners are cut, just so long as the job gets finished.

Most people are some combination of a little of both.

I agree, that's why I used "oriented".

 

[AZrailwhale]

Process can and often leads you down the garden path to failure. People focus on process and lose track of the desired outcome. I am outcome oriented, I refuse to follow a process that I can’t see leading to the achievement of my objective. I have known a lot of process oriented people who followed every direction, dotted every I and crossed every T without ever even coming close to the endgame. My proudest achievement in my career was that no one who took over a job from me had to work nearly as hard as I did in the beginning. I was always looking for more efficient ways to accomplish my assigned tasks and usually succeeded.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

PROCESS orientated people are primarily focused on the method, the process, following the rules, connecting all the dots, staying within bounds, whether it get the job done right or fastest or first.

OUTCOME orientated people don't care how they get it done or whether corners are cut, just so long as the job gets finished.

Most people are some combination of a little of both.

I might be one of them people who is little bit of both. I know how to be patient, and I am a good enough deal of the time, but there are times here and there where I have to hang onto all that I have in me not to go flying off the handle.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[MarathonMike]

Process can and often leads you down the garden path to failure. People focus on process and lose track of the desired outcome. I am outcome oriented, I refuse to follow a process that I can’t see leading to the achievement of my objective. I have known a lot of process oriented people who followed every direction, dotted every I and crossed every T without ever even coming close to the endgame. My proudest achievement in my career was that no one who took over a job from me had to work nearly as hard as I did in the beginning. I was always looking for more efficient ways to accomplish my assigned tasks and usually succeeded.

I think you may be confusing 'institutional' processes with what I was referring to as a more general definition of "process oriented". Process oriented people are goal focused but don't look for shortcuts and hacks to achieve the goal whereas outcome oriented people will.

And it is often the process oriented person that finds more efficient ways to do things by methodically working through issues. And just as I did and you did, may improve institutional processes by finding better/more efficient ways to obtain the desired results.

 

[toobfreak]

I might be one of them people who is little bit of both.

It pays to be balanced, to be able to stick within needed guidelines while at the same time never taking your eye off the goal.

 

[toobfreak]

And it is often the process oriented person that finds more efficient ways to do things by methodically working through issues. And just as I did and you did, may improve institutional processes by finding better/more efficient ways to obtain the desired results.

Perhaps a better way of looking at a process-oriented person is as that of a group player, one who fits well into a team, whereas a goal-orientated person is more of a loner, a leader type, someone driven to set their own star then set out to conquer it, not content to follow but to lead. Extended out toward the Keirsey Temperaments, a process person might best be thought of as an Analytical or Amiable type category while the goal-orientated person is probably a better fit to the Keirsey Driver type person or the Expressive type.