WorldWatcher
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Only REAL ID Drivers Licenses that indicate citizenship are valid for voting purposes.
Problem is REAL ID Drivers Licenses don't indicate citizenship.
WW
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Only REAL ID Drivers Licenses that indicate citizenship are valid for voting purposes.
Problem is REAL ID Drivers Licenses don't indicate citizenship.
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Delldude
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Not sure where you get your information.
Required Documents: You must present original or certified copies of the following:
Identity & Lawful Status: Valid U.S. Passport, Birth Certificate, etc.
Social Security Number: Card, W-2, or paystub
Residency (Two Proofs): Utility bill, lease, mortgage statement, or current license
Name Changes: Marriage certificate or court order (if name differs from birth certificate)
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Delldude
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They don't have to.
WorldWatcher
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Correct they don't (the REAL ID) "have to" under the REAL ID Act.
But for voting purposes the SAVE Act say only the ones that show citizenship are valid to register to vote. But since REAL ID Drivers Licenses don't show citizenship they can't be used. Now there are a few northern states that issue what are called "Enhanced IDs" that are REAL ID compliant and do show citizenship to facilitate travel to Canada. But most states don't.
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Delldude
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WorldWatcher
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Here is another one. You can use Miltary ID, however you must present your record of militgary service showing you were born in the United States.
A couple of problems.
#1 The military isn't going to give you your personnel jacket to walk out with to take to a voter reqistration location and return it later. The "normal" record of military service is the DD-214.
#2 However the DD-214 is only generated at end of an enlistment (enlisted) or end of commission (officer), so if you are a first term'er you don't have a DD-214 to show.
#3 It requires the DD-214 show show the place of birth as the United States, however DD-214's don't show place of birth, they show date of birth and location of initial entry, but not place of birth. (Now the DD-214 could be updated for future seperations, but all of us that got one in the past wouldn't have a qualifying DD-214.)
#4 It limits the applicablity of military ID and record of service only to those born in the United States. So if my US citizen children had been born in Japan while my wife and I were stationed there instead of Guam, their place of birth would be Japan. Even if they presented military documentation, they wouldn't be able to register to vote because Japan isn't in the United States.
#5 Paragraph 5 under Documentary Proof allows for the presentation of a valid Federal, State or Trible ID (which doesn't show place of birth) if one or more other document that does show place of birth is also provided. However, and here is the kicker - the law states that this is allowed for ID NOT listed in items 1-4. Items 1-4 were REAL ID, Passport, Military ID and military record showing place of birth, and Federal ID showing place of birth.
- Why is #5 important, because paragraph 5D under the proof of citizenship section allows for presenting a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. But since Military ID is one of 1-4 and 5D specifically ExCLUDES items 1-4 for use in conjunction with a Consular Report of Birth Abroad with a Military ID.
- So for Military ID (which doesn't indicated place of birth), members will often not have a DD-214 and the DD-214 doesn't show place of birth AND if you show a military ID you can't use a Consular Report along with a military ID anyway.
Brilliant.
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dudmuck
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save act not only requires proof of citizenship, but also proof of residency.
Some states issue drivers licenses to non-citizens.
Usually people when they move, they dont update drivers license until it expires.
Delldude
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Non citizen can't register to vote for federal elections.
WorldWatcher
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Delldude
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They prove they're not citizens when applying.
WorldWatcher
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The REAL ID is an acceptable documentds by itself, but it does not indicate citizenship.
Again, is REAL ID issued to non-citizens?
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Delldude
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WorldWatcher
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In live in Virginia, our REAL ID compliant license does not have any indicator of citizenship.
What state do you live in? I’ll check your for you.
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Delldude
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Real ID doesn't have to show your citizenship.
WorldWatcher
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"Get it back" is an interesting choice of words. It implies collectivism, instead of individual property rights.
Their heirs get the inheritance. The heirs aren't evil Boomers. Isn't that what you want, redistribution to younger people?
It's nice how that works out. The future generations who will be saddled with the debt will also get the inheritances.
Having the government confiscate wealth for some ageist reparations, supposedly justified because some allegedly received inequitable benefits as a result of participating in mandatory government programs (SS & Medicare), seems kind of draconian (socialist/communist).
Taxes were already paid on this money you want to tax.
And if people inherit material goods (farm, house, car, land, jewelry, etc.), the heirs have to sell the goods to pay the taxes of your proposal.
Delldude
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'Issued consistent with the requirements of'.............To obtain a REAL ID, applicants must present documentation proving they are either a U.S. citizen or a lawful permanent resident.
WorldWatcher
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You left off the part “that indicates “.
If I present you with my real ID does it indicate citizenship?
Or
Does that ID need to be queried back to the issuer to determine HOW the REAL ID was issued?
Now, active Duty Military ID's are considered to be REAL ID for identification. Howver Military ID, being a REAL ID, ARE NOT allowed to be used as a REAL ID for voting registration? Why? Because they don't show citizenship. Same as my Virginia Drivers License. (OK, technically I have a non-REAL ID Virginia license and carry a Passport Card, but you get the gist.)
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