Are we upholding the goals of the founding fathers?

Are we upholding the goals of the founding fathers?

The first goal was to create a more perfect union, or promote national unity. The second goal was to establish justice, or equality before the law. The third goal was to ensure domestic tranquility, or peace at home.

The Founding Fathers wanted to make it difficult for one person, party, or group to get control of the government. To achieve these goals, the Founding Fathers proposed a national government where power was divided between three separate branches of government: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judiciary.

Thing is, they had an amendment process, and the electoral system desperately needs that amendment process, but everyone seems to have turned into a complete idiot and pretends that the electoral system is fit for the 21st century, when it wasn't fit for the 20th century.
 
Thing is, they had an amendment process, and the electoral system desperately needs that amendment process, but everyone seems to have turned into a complete idiot and pretends that the electoral system is fit for the 21st century, when it wasn't fit for the 20th century.
still, i wouldn;'t let these guys touch it.
 
Well, the only way to get rid of "these guys" is to change the electoral system. It'll just get worse and worse until there is no way of changing anything.
we may get to that "cultural revolution" stage of the culture war but i would recommend an attempt at reeducation first.
 
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we may get to that "cultural revolution" stage of the culture war but i would recommend an attempt at reeducation first.

And how are you going to get "reeducation" (whatever that means) when the people in charge are all in it for the money they can squeeze out of it?
 
And how are you going to get "reeducation" (whatever that means) when the people in charge are all in it for the money they can squeeze out of it?
how can we reeducate people who wasted their primaryeducation wishing their home room teacher was a "groomer?"

quite a challenge, i realize.
 
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how can we reeducate people who wasted their primaryeducation wishing their home room teacher was a "groomer?"

quite a challenge, i realize.

By having proper elected officials who are interested in improving the country.

You only get this with a system like Proportional Representation. Because people have to stand for something REAL, and not the fake rubbish the Reps and Dems come up with.
 
By having proper elected officials who are interested in improving the country.

You only get this with a system like Proportional Representation. Because people have to stand for something REAL, and not the fake rubbish the Reps and Dems come up with.
experiments in ranked choice voting seem to be circulating. what do you think of that?
 
You want to uphold the goals of a bunch of white slavers.

Good for you.
The nation was not founded with slavery in mind.

The nation was founded with the idea of equality between men.

YOUR trouble is that slaves were not considered fully human at the time, and remained a lower priority side-show for decades...

But that doesn't negate the beauty nor usefulness of the ideals and goals established for the Republic by those men...

And, for every southern Father in favor of slavery, you'll find one or more northern Fathers who were opposed to it...

And 350,000 or more of their sons and grandsons and new immigrants - overwhelmingly White - died to fix it 80+ years later...

So spare us the un-thinking juvenile chip-on-your-shoulder "bunch of white slavers" bull$hit...

To continue advancing forward in this society you need the goodwill of society at-large and that includes lots of White Folk...

You don't get or retain that goodwill by throwing rocks at the timeless and righteous ideals on which the Republic was founded...

Learn to separate the Good from the Bad and run with the Good rather than perpetuating your pointless angst over the Bad...

You'll get more people to listen to you and you'll get further along with your goals by taking a positive tack over time...

The alternative is to remain isolated in Blue-controlled $hithole$ and remain a lower-priority side-show for additional decades.
 
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How can anyone not see how Trump is making every attempt to eliminate seperation of powers. Even while he is out of office.
This is not about the rule of law. This is about one Party so corrupted more than another party destroying an individual to stay in power. The same party has pushed propaganda on the population and threw away the key to extremism around the world while destroying morals domestically. Most of us are not perfect. And people should not mess with each other. We should however not champion depravities. Yeah. All the political criminals and nothing happening to damn near all of them.
 
As part of his arguments against the federal case against him for his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, the former president continues to claim that commanders-in-chief can never be charged for anything they do as part of their official duties.

You tell me.
Bullshit in, namely the charge of insurrection, causes bullshit out by the defense
 
Well, the only way to get rid of "these guys" is to change the electoral system. It'll just get worse and worse until there is no way of changing anything.
The electoral system was designed to give people a voice who did not have it. In the 19th century, the rural areas were far more powerful than the cities. So, the electoral process worked for the cities. The checks and balances are weakened or removed. The Federal Reserve Act, the 17th Amendment, the 16th Amendment, the 19th Amendment quickly morphed our nation into a voracious sloth with a huge dictatorial federal government that has gotten us at least a soft tyranny. We all live in this. And we are used to it. We needed to keep it under control though. We have not and are spreading it out even more.
 
Bullshit in, namely the charge of insurrection, causes bullshit out by the defense
Maine and Colorado are saying Trump shouldn't be on the ballot because he led an insurrection. They are right. I would love it if the Supreme Court ruled they're right. By definition that's what he did.
 
Maine and Colorado are saying Trump shouldn't be on the ballot because he led an insurrection. They are right. I would love it if the Supreme Court ruled they're right. By definition that's what he did.
Wrong

You are afraid of democracy because libs are not sure you can win an honest election
 
Wrong

You are afraid of democracy because libs are not sure you can win an honest election
Come on. It's you guys who try to make it harder for people to vote not easier. It's you who float ideas like you have to take a test to vote, or own land. You don't like democracy.

Everyone should vote. Even the super poor and stupid know if they like or don't like one party or another. In fact, they tend to vote correctly. Because they aren't won over with social wedge issues like gays and woke.
 
Wrong

You are afraid of democracy because libs are not sure you can win an honest election

They use corrupted Voter rolls and false ballots inserted for these bogus registrations. At least thats one method used in 2020.

Newer method of gumming up the Vote in AZ by setting Ballot size different than scanner was used in the heavy R suburbs. Don’t worry, we’ll count those later by hand….wink wink.
 
Come on. It's you guys who try to make it harder for people to vote not easier. It's you who float ideas like you have to take a test to vote, or own land. You don't like democracy.

Everyone should vote. Even the super poor and stupid know if they like or don't like one party or another. In fact, they tend to vote correctly. Because they aren't won over with social wedge issues like gays and woke.
Meaning limiting everyone to one legal vote per election?

Shame on us

Literacy tests and requiring land ownership have not been an issue for a couple of hundred years and were mostly ideas advocated by your democrats

Why even throw such nonsense claims into the debate when we both know they are bullshit?

Are just stalling for time?
 

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