RetiredGySgt
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Name one thing that Trump has done that is illegal or vendetta
Are we ok with vendetta government?
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Seymour Flops
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Were we wrong to bomb German civilians? I assume you say yes.
What would British morale have been if the Germans could bomb civilians with impunity, while the allies "took the high road?"
How much more willnig would the Germans have been to fight on, if they knew that civilians would always be safe because the allies had scruples that the German military did not? How many more would Hitler have had for his kid army if no civilians had been bombed in retaliation for German bombing of civilians?
Kindergarten kids are taught "Don't hit back if someone hits you. Tell a teacher!" How long did it take you personally to realize what a horrible plan that was? Since I was a short fella, prone to people thinking they could run over me, I learnt rather quickly. Have you ever learned it?
I don't want to perpetuate it. I doubt that the Dems are going to come to the table. But I know for sure they will not if they are not held legally accountable for their wrongdoing.
Doing nothing while complaining about the Dems doing it, will only encourage them when they get another Obama, very popular and willing to load the DOJ/FBI with people who will go after his enemies.
DonGlock26
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Um the Democrats already claimed the power by trying to put Trump in prison.
They did put Bannon and Navarro in prison.
leftwinger
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Don't forget the 40 yr old phony rape case dragging out that blue-haired cat lady. Judges trying to "set Trump up throughout". Then nearly $100million fine to pay to the crazy old lady?
Board Stain laughed and mocked throughout. Same with clear-cut 2020 Election Fraud.
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You assume wrong.
Regardless, we're not talking about warfare. We're talking about politics. At a certain level, we're all on the same side. Otherwise, what's the point?
That's the thing, SO many partisans are SO steeped in the "us vs them" mentality that they actually see the other party as a greater threat to our nation then our avowed foreign enemies. That's fucked up.
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
You haven't seen this week's pardon lists.
Trump's pardons this term include these convicted fraudsters and supporters
President Trump has handed out pardons to convicted fraudsters who he argued have been unfairly targeted, including a number of his supporters.
www.cbsnews.com
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkDl9FdYMJQ
Trump's latest pardons benefit an array of political allies and public figures
WASHINGTON (AP) — A governor who resigned amid a corruption scandal and served two stints in federal prison. A New York Republican who resigned from Congress after a tax fraud conviction and who made headlines for threatening to throw a reporter off a Capitol balcony over a question he didn't...
Doc7505
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So you are claiming that by electing Trump in 2017 Republicans began the persecution, by using #OWS, Antifa and BLM riots that resulted arson, looting and murder, not to mention unrestricted illegal alien migration?
Your statement is a total lie.
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Seymour Flops
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Good.
You brought it up in post # 341. If you no longer want to use the violent imagary to make whatever point, I'm glad to hear it.
I'd like to believe that both sides are taking different approaches but both on the same side of improving the lives of . . . but that's where it breaks down. Trump wants to improve the lives of Americans. His monster ego is wrapped up in proving he can do that.
Democrats are on the side of improving the lives of everyone but Americans, and really make no secret about it. Only certain Americans who are members of groups with "victim" status even get lip service from the Democrats about improving their lives.
But lip service is all they get. Just compare the pre-COVID Trump levels of black unemployment to any Democatic president to verify that.
Democrats spent the last four years importing unskilled labor to push blacks who want to escape welfare out of entry-level jobs. Blacks who feared for the safety of their communities due to black-on-black crime discovered that Democrats found a way to make them even less safe by sending hordes or illegal aliens to their neighborhoods, even closing their schools to set up shelters for them.
I could go on and on, of course. But to stay on topic of the thread, the Democrats knew that they could never win with those policies. Not unless they ran against a party which itself only gave lip service to ending those policies and governed in a similar fashion to Democrats. That has been the traditional role of the GOP leadership.
Trump was the exception, so he had to be gotten rid of at all costs. All costs.
Well, they failed, so now they pay the cost.
Should they get a do-over?
You mean like the Russians?
How many rapists, murderers, human traffickers, drug smugglers, drunk drivers, and extortionists did the Ruskies send into the U.S. under Biden? More or fewer than Biden himself invited in?
Far be it for me to take up for the GOP. But they have always tried to play nice with the Dems, and have always been taken advantage of. Time to learn.
toobfreak
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No, and I don't even particularly care!
I mean, for one thing, being a president, one of the absolute powers that comes with the job is Executive Clemency, you can pretty much just wave any (federal) crime off the books, no explanation needed. So its going to happen. And it always happens with every president, so let's not make out that Trump is doing anything unusual or newsworthy here.
Second, after some of the pardons I've suffered, from the pardoning of Marc Rich to the absolute jackass moves I just suffered by Craps McBiden, from the many, many pardons of horrible people who did really inexcusable things to the coup de gras of waiting till the last second to pardon his own family, his WHOLE family, for a DECADE--- not even any specific crime listed, can only be superseded by the audacity of never even signing any of his bills, EOs or pardons HIMSELF. We don't know yet just who the fuck signed what, but we will be finding out).
This all makes your worries, concerns, and protestations over who Trump pardoned /this week/ comes across as really whiny and pathetic.
RetiredGySgt
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still waiting
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
"let's not make out that Trump is doing anything unusual or newsworthy here." God forbid that you actually hold Trump responsible for anything he does.
Instead, you focus on the non-existent crimes of the Biden Family, or the Clintons, or really any Democrat you can slander.
You can count on the fingers of one hand how many Democrats have been caught in crimes of corruption since Nixon was in office, but you continue to believe that Democrats are more corrupt than Republicans.
Your Criminal in Chief won't stop until the USA is utterly destroyed. He's well on the way.
iamwhatiseem
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Your general consensus is ignore how for the past 4 years it was egregiously corrupt - and you want to give that a pass and pretend it didn't happen, and all of the people that did it walk free.
Dragonlady
Designing Woman
What evidence do you have to support this lie? Where are the investigations? The Charges?? There is a LOT of evidence that Trump's first term was the most corrupt in American history.
President Trump’s legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Trump's administration was marked by self-interest, profiteering at the highest levels and more than 3,700 conflicts of interest.
www.citizensforethics.org
And this one is worse"
Trump’s 100 Days of Oligarchy and Conflicts of Interest - Public Citizen
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Trump administration is arguably the most lawless administration in this country’s history. Public Citizen has meticulously…
www.citizen.org
Trump Just Did the Most Corrupt Thing Any President Has Ever Done
He’s using the White House to get rich from anonymous investors—and it’s hardly even a news story.
newrepublic.com
The last 4 years were NOT "egregiously corrupt". No investigation found any corruption of the Biden Administration. NOT ONE.
SeaMajor7
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Greenbeard
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RetiredGySgt
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Wikipedia as a source how hilarious.
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The violent imagery is all on the partisan culture warriors themselves. Their persistent premise is that they are at war. Every election is treated that way. They're not interested in electing a good leaders. They want someone who will inflict maximum damage on the "other side". And it's not just a metaphor.
If the cost is validating their lawfare by mimicking it, if the cost is eroding fundamental Constitutional protections like due process and habeas corpus, if the cost is descending deeper and deeper into fascist fearmongering and scapegoating - we'll all pay the cost.
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No. I want you to realize that childish, destructive retaliation does no good. It might give you your vengeance high, but it leaves the nation in a worse place.
I'm not so worried about the tit-for-tat prosecutions. As long as there's evidence of a real crime, go for it. But SOOO much of the MAGA mindset is insane paranoid fantasy. And that leads them to support anything that dings leftists, regardless of its legality, regardless of the precedent it sets.
Those precedents will come back to haunt you - all of us.
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If it's not on gateway pundit, it's just not legit!
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