Are we getting just a little of the chaos we have spread around the world for other nations?

[toobfreak]

It has not failed every time!

Pretty funny to watch you "fake news" everything I tell you after just having watched an informed documentary on what all went wrong in Vietnam!

 

[Stryder50]

Pretty funny to watch you "fake news" everything I tell you after just having watched an informed documentary on what all went wrong in Vietnam!

1) What "informed documentary on what all went wrong in Vietnam!" are you referring to?
I don't recall watching in honest, objective, and/or accurate documentary of such sort. Nor one that matches or confirms the "Sun Tzu" ignorant points you've made.
2) There are basically only to "negative" reply emojis offered here. "Disagree"=thumb down is mild compared to "fake news" which has to cover a broader range, more scope than simple "disagree".
Such as "pile of bullshit" and "gross ignorance" or "complete disinformation" which applies to your post and that of of others on this thread topic.
3) I didn't have time to reply in more worded detail then, nor at this moment. So the quick and simple was used. After I tend to more urgent business I'll get back to the errors and ignorance displayed in your recent posts.

I doubt you'll gain any more wisdom and insight than the little you have shown so far.

 

[Stryder50]

So, I am right.


Tell that to the Vietcong, who made a monkey of us with our having ten times the weapons and training.
They whipped out asses (or at least Westmorland's) by substituting intelligent war strategy for heavy handed frontal arrogance so predictable and narrow-minded.

You were only "right" in that one small part of your post. In everything else you were wrong.

The VietCong did not beat USA. The VC had no way to manufacture AK-47s and the ammo they use, nor any other major weapons, supplies, or other equipment they would need. All that was supplied to them from outside sources, which is the SOP for all 20th century plus insurgencies.

The North Viets with the aid of USSR and CCP China beat the USA.* They started with the VC and when the VC proved incompetent then the NVA began infiltrating into South Vietnam and took over the major part of the fighting. Although the USA technically beat itself by having a false strategy, faulty operational doctrine, and limited resolve. We fought what should have been a "Full War" with half measures and restrictions on ourselves that our enemies didn't have/apply to themselves.

*Actually they beat the South Vietnam because it, like the North, needed outside powers, supplies, and support and once the USA left, it had none while North Vietnam still had Russian and Chinese support.

Their, North Vietnam, main strategy was patience and winning the "home front battle" of defeating American support within our nation.

Weapons and tactics used by the USA were essentially the same as used to defeat Germany and Japan decades earlier in WWII. USA strategy was not one for all-out-victory, using total war, hence the operational applications were ham-strung from the start. It was USA fear that full escalation would drag USSR and PRC into global WWIII, nuclear exchange, etc. and so USA declined to take that chance/risk. That was the major USA leadership view at that time.

However there were some operational options that might have won for the USA, but they would have been severe and controversial, so weren't used.

 

[Stryder50]

That has already been tried numerous times with various people's and countries and it fails every time. We trained the shit out of the Iraqis and Afghanis and armed them to the teeth then the moment we pulled out and left them they fell apart, surrendered,. sold all of the military gear to terrorists.

No, for a people to better themselves and make something of their own homeland, they have to want it enough to DO IT ON THEIR OWN and make it happen.

It has often worked and succeeded for the Communist, as shown in China-1949, and also in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnams. Just for some recent examples.

In the case of Iraq, we only trained and supplied part of the populace, and when the "insurgency" started about a year after Saddam was ousted, it was mainly found by Iranian proxies, and the USA wasn't willing to go "in to" Iran to put an end to that support they projected into Iraq. That combined with the several ethnic and cultural divisions within helped to undo chances for enough internal unity to resist Iran's meddling.

In the case of Afghanistan, the recent conflict was sourced in the 1980s with the USA-CIA supporting the insurrection against Soviet occupation. This support could only flow in through Pakistan. Once the Soviets left, so did USA interest and the "political void" was filled by the Pakistanis. Specifically by the Islamic Fundamentalist faction(half) of the Paki ISI = Inter-Services-Intelligence;
a.k.a Pakistan's version of CIA.

Inter-Services Intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Islamic faction of the ISI are the origin and support for the Taliban, and until that aspect of the ISI was neutralized, there was no way to really defeat the Taliban. With Pakistan near equally divided between Secular and Islamic Fundamantalsit factions, this means the USA would need to start a civil war within Pakistan in order to have the chance of defeating the Taliban. Not many within the USA are in favor of that solution.

When the USA withdrew from Afghanistan, we also removed what elements we had in Pakistan as well, giving the ISI's proxies-Taliban a free hand.

Bottom line in all this is that "a people" have to have desire and motivation to start, but will need outside support and arming to be effective and have a chance to win.

 

[GLASNOST]

Well, you do make one point: the Vietnamese wanted to be there, were highly motivated to win, while our soldiers hated being there and were just counting the days until they could come home.

We were conducting a war to crush their country and their people, the Vietnamese were fighting for liberation. The good guys won.

 

[toobfreak]

You were only "right" in that one small part of your post.

Look troll. I know you are full of man-love for me, but I'm tired of your arguing against historical fact bloviating bullshit just to placate your false need for historical closure now so I'm just going to leave you where you are as uninteresting to read and just put you on IGGY. Bye.

 

[Stryder50]

We were conducting a war to crush their country and their people, the Vietnamese were fighting for liberation. The good guys won.

Not according to the Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians I worked with making air plane parts for Boeing, several years ago.
The ones who fled their countries when the communist fascists won and took over control.
(Many told of how they had to dodge bullets fleeing the 'Worker's Paradise' to become "boat people".)

But you do have to spread the Marxist pravda whenever you can, eh Komrade.

 

[Stryder50]

Look troll. I know you are full of man-love for me, but I'm tired of your arguing against historical fact bloviating bullshit just to placate your false need for historical closure now so I'm just going to leave you where you are as uninteresting to read and just put you on IGGY. Bye.

I click on your user name to see what you have to say about yourself in your profile, and get this;

" Oops! We ran into some problems. This member limits who may view their full profile. "
Classic sign of a real troll (and coward?).

I find nothing lovable about you.
I was only shedding light on your lies and distortions for the sake of any other readers whom might think you have credibility and a clue of what you are talking about.

Like most Lefty-loonies your hubris overflows and you think it is all about you, when it isn't.
You're another loser and ignoramus and your posts I responded to demonstrate such.

"IGGY" all you want ~ no loss to me.
Try to IGGY the whole forum since all you contribute is BS.

 

[Stryder50]

We were conducting a war to crush their country and their people, the Vietnamese were fighting for liberation. The good guys won.

Crap ...

You're another of those phony and coward ....
" Oops! We ran into some problems. This member limits who may view their full profile. "

 

[Ringo]

 

[GLASNOST]

You know ..... Putin is right.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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Never trust translations.

This is why we have an American Pope who speaks fluent English.


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