Are We Alone in the Universe?

[The Original Tree]

Human beings are unique, period.

If one believes in Evolution, (The Spontaneous Generation of Life and It’s Evolution) then one must defend the lack of evolution in all other species and defend why we are the only sentient beings on the planet.

Why have humans evolved exclusively to what we are today?

Scientists cannot reproduce life spontaneously in a laboratory despite spending countless millions and decades with all the right building blocks etc etc.

Lastly I hold two slightly different theories on life elsewhere.

One is based on a C.S. Lewis Novel.
We are a “Dark Planet”. Having fallen from Grace, Earth is a forbidden zone and isolated from the rest of he universe.

We can only peer through the looking glass, but we as a species will never be visited by others or escape our own solar system until The Return of Christ and a restoration of humanity to an eternal uncorrupted state. We are exiles on a exiled planet.

The universe may be populated with fantastic civilizations but their exists a veil between they and we, and we and they will never meet until that veil is torn asunder.

Following within the same vein, Human beings, were never meant to die. Death was introduced on Earth once we broke The Edenic Covenant with God. Being that we were intended to be Eternal beings, this present universe was designed for us. That is our frontier to explore and colonize.

That was our destiny and again, we will not be able to realize that destiny until we are restored to our eternal and incorruptible state.

 

[Montrovant]

Human beings are unique, period.

If one believes in Evolution, (The Spontaneous Generation of Life and It’s Evolution) then one must defend the lack of evolution in all other species and why we are the only sentient beings on the planet.

Why have humans evolved exclusively to what we are today?

Scientists cannot reproduce life spontaneously in a laboratory despite spending countless millions and decades with all the right building blocks etc etc.

Lastly I hold two slightly different theories on life elsewhere.

One is based on a C.S. Lewis Novel.
We are a “Dark Planet”. Having fallen from Grace, Earth is a forbidden zone and isolated from the rest of he universe. We can only peer through the looking glass, but we as a species will never be visited by others or escape our own solar system until The Return of Christ and a restoration of humanity to an eternal uncorrupted state.

Following within the same vein, Human beings, were never meant to die. Death was introduced on Earth once we broke The Edenic Covenant with God. Being that we were intended to be Eternal beings, this present universe was designed for us. That is our frontier to explore and colonize.

That was our destiny and again, we will not be able to realize that destiny until we are restored to our eternal and incorruptible state.

What lack of evolution in other species?

If you think there is a lack of evolution in other species, I think you have a poor understanding of evolution. It doesn't require an in-depth knowledge to know that according to evolutionary theory, other species have evolved over time, not just humans.

 

[The Original Tree]

Evolution is an unobserved event and is a theory.

It is an attempt by the watch to rationalize his existence apart from the watchmaker.

No species has evolved in to a Sentient Being.

No species creates written language, art, music, industry, medicine, science, manufacturing, complex mathematics, technology, space exploration and even complex concepts like Social Engineering, Propaganda, Deception, Fraud, Social and Political Organization, Social Manipulation, Social Media, Economics, Or Lying...

Why?

Lets not talk about “Theory”

Let’s talk about results.

Where is man’s competition?

Why are all other species beholden to and subservient to man?

Human beings are unique, period.

If one believes in Evolution, (The Spontaneous Generation of Life and It’s Evolution) then one must defend the lack of evolution in all other species and why we are the only sentient beings on the planet.

Why have humans evolved exclusively to what we are today?

Scientists cannot reproduce life spontaneously in a laboratory despite spending countless millions and decades with all the right building blocks etc etc.

Lastly I hold two slightly different theories on life elsewhere.

One is based on a C.S. Lewis Novel.
We are a “Dark Planet”. Having fallen from Grace, Earth is a forbidden zone and isolated from the rest of he universe. We can only peer through the looking glass, but we as a species will never be visited by others or escape our own solar system until The Return of Christ and a restoration of humanity to an eternal uncorrupted state.

Following within the same vein, Human beings, were never meant to die. Death was introduced on Earth once we broke The Edenic Covenant with God. Being that we were intended to be Eternal beings, this present universe was designed for us. That is our frontier to explore and colonize.

That was our destiny and again, we will not be able to realize that destiny until we are restored to our eternal and incorruptible state.

What lack of evolution in other species?

If you think there is a lack of evolution in other species, I think you have a poor understanding of evolution. It doesn't require an in-depth knowledge to know that according to evolutionary theory, other species have evolved over time, not just humans.

 

[Montrovant]

Evolution is an unobserved event and is a theory.

It is an attempt by he watch to rationalize his existence apart from the watchmaker.

No species has evolved in to a Sentient Being.

Why?

Lets not talk about “Theory”

Let’s talk about results.

Where is man’s competition?

Why are all other species beholden to and subservient to man?

Human beings are unique, period.

If one believes in Evolution, (The Spontaneous Generation of Life and It’s Evolution) then one must defend the lack of evolution in all other species and why we are the only sentient beings on the planet.

Why have humans evolved exclusively to what we are today?

Scientists cannot reproduce life spontaneously in a laboratory despite spending countless millions and decades with all the right building blocks etc etc.

Lastly I hold two slightly different theories on life elsewhere.

One is based on a C.S. Lewis Novel.
We are a “Dark Planet”. Having fallen from Grace, Earth is a forbidden zone and isolated from the rest of he universe. We can only peer through the looking glass, but we as a species will never be visited by others or escape our own solar system until The Return of Christ and a restoration of humanity to an eternal uncorrupted state.

Following within the same vein, Human beings, were never meant to die. Death was introduced on Earth once we broke The Edenic Covenant with God. Being that we were intended to be Eternal beings, this present universe was designed for us. That is our frontier to explore and colonize.

That was our destiny and again, we will not be able to realize that destiny until we are restored to our eternal and incorruptible state.

What lack of evolution in other species?

If you think there is a lack of evolution in other species, I think you have a poor understanding of evolution. It doesn't require an in-depth knowledge to know that according to evolutionary theory, other species have evolved over time, not just humans.

Evolution is not about developing sentience.

A scientific theory is not the same as the colloquial use of the word theory.

Other animal species may be sentient. It probably depends on how the individual defines sentience, as well as how the available evidence is read.

Being able to create life has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is about what life does once it already exists, not about how life comes about in the first place.

Define all other species being beholden to man.

 

[The Original Tree]

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

 

[Montrovant]

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

 

[The Original Tree]

That was a rather weak response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity above all other species, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with your defense of “Man Is Just an Animal”

Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

 

[Montrovant]

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

 

[The Original Tree]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

 

[Montrovant]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

 

[The Original Tree]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

When you try to have a dialogue with someone, and they ignore every point you make, and their final whimpering argument is "what about opposable thumbs" I think it's time to just throw the hammer down on them. That's why I told the poster he had no point, because he wasn't having a discussion, he was engaging in deflection.

Maybe the next election The Democrats should try to run an Evolutionist Possum as President. Not only do they have opposable thumbs, but they have a prehensile tail too. And when they play dead, they sure as Hell would look a lot more alive than Hillary Clinton.

Opposable Thumbs – Uniquely Human? Not hardly.

"Other animals with opposable thumbs include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and other variants of apes; certain frogs, koalas, pandas, possums and opossums, and many birds have an opposable digit of some sort. Many dinosaurs had opposable digits as well."

 

[Montrovant]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

When you try to have a dialogue with someone, and they ignore every point you make, and their final whimpering argument is "what about opposable thumbs" I think it's time to just throw the hammer down on them. That's why I told the poster he had no point, because he wasn't having a discussion, he was engaging in deflection.

Maybe the next election The Democrats should try to run an Evolutionist Possum as President. Not only do they have opposable thumbs, but they have a prehensile tail too. And when they play dead, they sure as Hell would look a lot more alive than Hillary Clinton.

Opposable Thumbs – Uniquely Human? Not hardly.

"Other animals with opposable thumbs include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and other variants of apes; certain frogs, koalas, pandas, possums and opossums, and many birds have an opposable digit of some sort. Many dinosaurs had opposable digits as well."

"Told the poster he had no point"....do you understand you have only been talking with one poster here?

I have not ignored every point you have made. I have, in fact, specifically responded to multiple points you have made.

You went on to start having arguments with straw men, such as that I denied the uniqueness of man (I did not, and in fact mentioned that man has unique characteristics), or that I cannot agree with my mantra of law of the jungle and survival of the fittest (that is my mantra?). You also threw out some random stuff about not having commandments if humans are a type of animal, and how I should tell whales to evolve to throw harpoons back at man.

If you are trying to have a dialogue, you might want to cut back on the random nonsense.

Good job trying to make evolution about US political parties, by the way!

And to try to direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, do you think that it is possible another intelligent, technological life might exist in the universe?

 

[The Original Tree]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

When you try to have a dialogue with someone, and they ignore every point you make, and their final whimpering argument is "what about opposable thumbs" I think it's time to just throw the hammer down on them. That's why I told the poster he had no point, because he wasn't having a discussion, he was engaging in deflection.

Maybe the next election The Democrats should try to run an Evolutionist Possum as President. Not only do they have opposable thumbs, but they have a prehensile tail too. And when they play dead, they sure as Hell would look a lot more alive than Hillary Clinton.

Opposable Thumbs – Uniquely Human? Not hardly.

"Other animals with opposable thumbs include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and other variants of apes; certain frogs, koalas, pandas, possums and opossums, and many birds have an opposable digit of some sort. Many dinosaurs had opposable digits as well."

"Told the poster he had no point"....do you understand you have only been talking with one poster here?

I have not ignored every point you have made. I have, in fact, specifically responded to multiple points you have made.

You went on to start having arguments with straw men, such as that I denied the uniqueness of man (I did not, and in fact mentioned that man has unique characteristics), or that I cannot agree with my mantra of law of the jungle and survival of the fittest (that is my mantra?). You also threw out some random stuff about not having commandments if humans are a type of animal, and how I should tell whales to evolve to throw harpoons back at man.

If you are trying to have a dialogue, you might want to cut back on the random nonsense.

Good job trying to make evolution about US political parties, by the way!

And to try to direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, do you think that it is possible another intelligent, technological life might exist in the universe?

The original intent of what I posted, was that Man is Unique, and there is more evidence that he was Created rather than was evolved. If that is true then there are two legitimate reasons for why we are not having regular contact with other Sentient Beings.

Meanwhile back on Earth....

Other species have had the chance to evolve, and The Theory of Evolution more or less states that Genetic Dominance is the goal.....it's the whole point....so anyone who wants to simply make logical deductions, need to ask themselves, why the rest of the participants in the Genetic Pool on Earth are Pathetic Losers.

If there is advanced life on other habitable planets they would have made contact by now, if Evolution is the primary driver of life on a planet.

Billions of years is more than enough time for this to happen.

Opposable thumbs or not.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Prometheus Shrugged

You're jealous of High IQ creative genius, yet they created everything that keeps you from living like a desperate wild animal. They also created all the wealth stolen from them by the plutocracy, which manipulated you into your illogical insults and ingratitude.

 

[Montrovant]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

When you try to have a dialogue with someone, and they ignore every point you make, and their final whimpering argument is "what about opposable thumbs" I think it's time to just throw the hammer down on them. That's why I told the poster he had no point, because he wasn't having a discussion, he was engaging in deflection.

Maybe the next election The Democrats should try to run an Evolutionist Possum as President. Not only do they have opposable thumbs, but they have a prehensile tail too. And when they play dead, they sure as Hell would look a lot more alive than Hillary Clinton.

Opposable Thumbs – Uniquely Human? Not hardly.

"Other animals with opposable thumbs include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and other variants of apes; certain frogs, koalas, pandas, possums and opossums, and many birds have an opposable digit of some sort. Many dinosaurs had opposable digits as well."

"Told the poster he had no point"....do you understand you have only been talking with one poster here?

I have not ignored every point you have made. I have, in fact, specifically responded to multiple points you have made.

You went on to start having arguments with straw men, such as that I denied the uniqueness of man (I did not, and in fact mentioned that man has unique characteristics), or that I cannot agree with my mantra of law of the jungle and survival of the fittest (that is my mantra?). You also threw out some random stuff about not having commandments if humans are a type of animal, and how I should tell whales to evolve to throw harpoons back at man.

If you are trying to have a dialogue, you might want to cut back on the random nonsense.

Good job trying to make evolution about US political parties, by the way!

And to try to direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, do you think that it is possible another intelligent, technological life might exist in the universe?

The original intent of what I posted, was that Man is Unique, and there is more evidence that he was Created rather than was evolved. If that is true then there are two legitimate reasons for why we are not having regular contact with other Sentient Beings.

Meanwhile back on Earth....

Other species have had the chance to evolve, and The Theory of Evolution more or less states that Genetic Dominance is the goal.....it's the whole point....so anyone who wants to simply make logical deductions, need to ask themselves, why the rest of the participants in the Genetic Pool on Earth are Pathetic Losers.

If there is advanced life on other habitable planets they would have made contact by now, if Evolution is the primary driver of life on a planet.

Billions of years is more than enough time for this to happen.

Opposable thumbs or not.

What makes the rest of life on Earth "Pathetic Losers"? There is no "goal" of evolution, it is a description of the changes that happen in life forms over time. If you were to ascribe a goal to evolution, I think it would be to survive and procreate.

If there is advanced life on other planets, why would they have made contact by now? And what does it have to do with evolution? Are you aware that the universe encompasses a vast, vast area? The closest star to our solar system, Proxima Centauri, is over 4 light years away. That means it takes light more than 4 years to get from here to that star. Humanity cannot get anywhere close to the speed of light, and it may even be that matter simply cannot travel that fast. Considering the incredibly vast distances involved and the possible limitations on travel speed, why do you believe that another intelligent life form would have to have made contact with humanity by now?

 

[Montrovant]

That was a rather week response and it appears to have taken you a long time to think of it.

Being able to grasp an object is far different than creating a tool and dominating other species with such Sentient abilities.

Otherwise Squirrels, Possums, Raccoons and Monkeys would be going to Law School and Running for Congress, or teaching at the school you graduated from

You seem limited in your ability to grasp things outside yourself other than a mechanical like understanding of the world around you.

When you can answer the questions I have posed to you as to why man is so unique in a multifaceted capacity, then perhaps you will have had an epiphany.

Until then, you may continue on with defense of “Man I’d Just an Animal”
Nothing to see here....move along.

Man is Lord and Master over all other species because he is Sentient.

Because he is Sentient, anything he lacks in comparison to all other species he can overcome through “Invention”.

Man can create, because he has the traits of his Father, The Watchmaker who created him. Thus, he holds in his hand and in his mind, the power of creation.

No other species is capable of this.

Man has language because “The Word” is his Father.

Man can learn, write speak and interpret multiple languages.

He can even invent languages.

No other species can do this.

Man is Sentient because he is a child of “Logos”.

No other species has these traits.

If the Pinacle of all life on Earth and all Evolution, is to become man with his vast intellect and advantages over all other species, then Evolution is the most lobsided Genetic Arms Race That EVER EXISTED in the Struggle for Survival.

There isn’t even a 2nd place, 3rd place or participation trophy you could award any other species even to say “thanks for trying”. You can’t even hand out a t-shirt for the effort.

They wouldn’t know what the Hell it was.

Sentience isn't the only reason for mankind's technology. Opposable thumbs help a bunch.

My reply took all of about 30 seconds to think of. I'm not waiting breathless for your replies.

Yes, intelligence is required to create technology. My point was that intelligence is not the only thing involved in the creation of technology. Whales, for example, are limited both by their lack of grasping ability and by the environment they live in (using fire would be a pretty nifty trick for an ocean-dwelling creature). So, while it's possible that whales are both sentient and use language, the physical differences between the species could have determined why humans grew into the technological creatures we are while whales did not.

Obviously that's speculation.

Man is unique in some ways, I don't deny that. I'm sure many animals and plants have unique characteristics that humanity does not. What is your point?

And what is with this recurring theme that intelligence or humanity are some sort of pinnacle?

Prometheus Shrugged

You're jealous of High IQ creative genius, yet they created everything that keeps you from living like a desperate wild animal. They also created all the wealth stolen from them by the plutocracy, which manipulated you into your illogical insults and ingratitude.

What are you talking about? My "illogical insults and ingratitude"?

 

[The Original Tree]

You aren’t talking to a flunky here. I hold two science degrees.

The whole emphasis of Evolution is that the drive to survive and adapt and procreate are a major component of the stimulus that causes Evolution.

You survive by out competing your competition for resources.

There is no species even close that can out compete man.

He is the pinnacle of Evolution & he is the ultimate Apex Predator, and at the same time he is the ultimate Apex Herbivore.

Call me when you can find a species capable of harnessing the power of the sun or who can split the Atom or view the most microscopic objects with an Electron Microscope, or scan the heavens with fantastic instruments, or build the Marvels that man can build.

Call me when you can find an animal that can compete with man.

There isn’t even a second place. Yet in the Animal Kingdom[ there are many species who can compete with other species.

When you figure out why man is so elevated above all else, then our discussion can begin, otherwise for me it is a futile exercise as would be trying to teach calculus to a tortoise.

 

[Montrovant]

You aren’t talking to a flunky here. I hold two science degrees.

The whole emphasis of Evolution is that the drive to survive and adapt and procreate are a major component of the stimulus that causes Evolution.

You survive by our competing your competition for resources.

There is no species even close that can out compete man.

He is the pinnacle of Evolution he is the ultimate Apex Predator, and at the same time is the ultimate Apex Herbivore.

Call me when you can find a species capable of harnessing the power of the sun or who can split the Atom.

Call me when you can find an animal that can compete with man.

There isn’t even a second place. Yet in the Animal Kingdom[ there are many species who can compete with other species.

When you figure out why man is so elevated above all else, then our discussion can begin, otherwise for me it is a futile exercise as would be trying to teach calculus to a tortoise.

QUOTE="Montrovant, post: 19332750, member: 19302"]

My point is that you don’t have a point.

You cannot even agree with your own Mantra of The LAW if the Jungle and Survival of The Fittest.

You have to deny the uniqueness of man in order to make a weak argument.

Since we are talking about survival of the fittest, tell the whales to evolve a way to throw harpoons back at man before we hunt them to extinction.

If we are mere animals, then things like Conservation, showing mercy to an enemy and self restraint; things unique to man need not be exercised.

Neither should we follow any rules or ethics or commandments. If I want your land, your possessions your woman, I take them because you are weak.

Like I said,your intellect is mechanically limited by what could only be an indoctrinated education in to liberal paradigms.

It’s sad really that you cannot overcome that.

Now please return to your Squirrel Overlords, and Their Nut Farm.

Wow, that was some ramble. Do you feel better?

When you try to have a dialogue with someone, and they ignore every point you make, and their final whimpering argument is "what about opposable thumbs" I think it's time to just throw the hammer down on them. That's why I told the poster he had no point, because he wasn't having a discussion, he was engaging in deflection.

Maybe the next election The Democrats should try to run an Evolutionist Possum as President. Not only do they have opposable thumbs, but they have a prehensile tail too. And when they play dead, they sure as Hell would look a lot more alive than Hillary Clinton.

Opposable Thumbs – Uniquely Human? Not hardly.

"Other animals with opposable thumbs include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, and other variants of apes; certain frogs, koalas, pandas, possums and opossums, and many birds have an opposable digit of some sort. Many dinosaurs had opposable digits as well."

"Told the poster he had no point"....do you understand you have only been talking with one poster here?

I have not ignored every point you have made. I have, in fact, specifically responded to multiple points you have made.

You went on to start having arguments with straw men, such as that I denied the uniqueness of man (I did not, and in fact mentioned that man has unique characteristics), or that I cannot agree with my mantra of law of the jungle and survival of the fittest (that is my mantra?). You also threw out some random stuff about not having commandments if humans are a type of animal, and how I should tell whales to evolve to throw harpoons back at man.

If you are trying to have a dialogue, you might want to cut back on the random nonsense.

Good job trying to make evolution about US political parties, by the way!

And to try to direct this back toward the original intent of the thread, do you think that it is possible another intelligent, technological life might exist in the universe?

The original intent of what I posted, was that Man is Unique, and there is more evidence that he was Created rather than was evolved. If that is true then there are two legitimate reasons for why we are not having regular contact with other Sentient Beings.

Meanwhile back on Earth....

Other species have had the chance to evolve, and The Theory of Evolution more or less states that Genetic Dominance is the goal.....it's the whole point....so anyone who wants to simply make logical deductions, need to ask themselves, why the rest of the participants in the Genetic Pool on Earth are Pathetic Losers.

If there is advanced life on other habitable planets they would have made contact by now, if Evolution is the primary driver of life on a planet.

Billions of years is more than enough time for this to happen.

Opposable thumbs or not.

What makes the rest of life on Earth "Pathetic Losers"? There is no "goal" of evolution, it is a description of the changes that happen in life forms over time. If you were to ascribe a goal to evolution, I think it would be to survive and procreate.

If there is advanced life on other planets, why would they have made contact by now? And what does it have to do with evolution? Are you aware that the universe encompasses a vast, vast area? The closest star to our solar system, Proxima Centauri, is over 4 light years away. That means it takes light more than 4 years to get from here to that star. Humanity cannot get anywhere close to the speed of light, and it may even be that matter simply cannot travel that fast. Considering the incredibly vast distances involved and the possible limitations on travel speed, why do you believe that another intelligent life form would have to have made contact with humanity by now?

[/QUOTE]

Humans are not herbivores. We are omnivores.

Is any species which is not at the top of the food chain a "pathetic loser"?

What is your point? Does it have anything to do with the possibility of other intelligent life in the universe?

You also seem to have ignored my questions about why you think any other intelligent life would have contacted humanity by now.

 

[The Original Tree]

Hence I said we are the Apex Predator, (Meat Eater) and an Apex Herbivore.

That is an Omnivore...or are you being intentionally dense, or you really cannot fathom that?

I’m done with you now.

This isn’t a serious conversation

Read upstream for answers to your questions. I’m done repeating myself and have already answered them.

 

[Montrovant]

Hence I said we are the Apex Predator, (Meat Eater) and an Apex Herbivore.

That is an Omnivore...or are you being intentionally dense, or you really cannot fathom that?

I’m done with you now.

This isn’t a serious conversation

An omnivore is not an herbivore. There is no such thing as an "Apex Herbivore" that I'm aware of.

Of course you're done. If you continue the conversation, I'll keep pointing out the mistaken things you say, the odd ramblings you post, and I'll keep questioning your statements which you provide no explanation for.