Are These Reasonable Regulations of Guns? or Harassment of Gun Owners?

[Daryl Hunt]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

Where does it say anyone needs to be trained? We already have a well regulated militia we have the U.S. Military which is necessary to a free State. See? If you can have your own analogy so can I.

The reason the 2nd amendment worded it that way was to separate the Mob from the Regulated Militia. When the Sheriff deputized the Citizens and they headed out, it was under the authority of the Sheriff and therefore was a Regulated Militia. Without that authority, it was just a Lynch Mob.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When we are invaded by Mexico, we need our gun owners to protect us from the Mexican hordes

How can they form well regulated militias if nobody knows who they are and what weapons they have?
Register all gun owners and their weapons.....our security as a free state depends on it

We have a Military dufus. And frankly, the 2nd amendment protects me from gun grabbers like you.

And the Law protects me from gunnutters like you.

 

[Leo123]

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

You used the proper term, Regulated Militias. A Regulated Militia even back then was done by the Governor. Not by some hillbilly named Joe Bob unless your Governor was named Joe Bob. The "So Called" Unregulated Militia is just a bunch of people dressed in pickle suits running around the woods with guns. If they decide to take the law into their own hands then it's now called a Mob.[/QUOTE]

People running around in the woods with guns are who won our Revolutionary War. It is understandable how big-government gun grabbers would be afraid of them.

 

[Leo123]

When we are invaded by Mexico, we need our gun owners to protect us from the Mexican hordes

How can they form well regulated militias if nobody knows who they are and what weapons they have?
Register all gun owners and their weapons.....our security as a free state depends on it

We have a Military dufus. And frankly, the 2nd amendment protects me from gun grabbers like you.

And the Law protects me from gunnutters like you.

Your rump will be fine as long as you don't try to take my gun Daryl. Stop with the hysterics already.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

rightwinger, the genie is out of the bottle and you aren't going to put it back in. I know you want all guns rounded up and disposed of but it just won't happen. So we do common sense gun regulations to minimize the body count. Harping that we all should turn in our firearms doesn't help anymore than fruitcake dave with his fruitcake "Unleash the Dogs of War" routine. So how about stay on point with common sense gun regulations with me and let's present a solid front to these sockos.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

Tell me, Comrade, just how many years did you invest in the Military. And in what Country. I invested over 20 years in the United States Military. You always treat Career Veterans this poorly when they disagree with you? I am part of a small percentage of American Patriots and we each one have our own ideas and we don't have anyone dictating what those ideals are. They are our individual ideals. What you are demanding of us is that we toe the mark that YOU have set. If that's not totalitarian I don't know what is. Fascism can be a good thing like Franco had but you are pulling a 1939 Mussolini version and that was a sickness. No wonder you worship Rump.

20 years, USAF. You can put your VA card away now, Comrade.

Again, if this were true, you should know better. If you ARE part of this very exclusive club, you should treat other Club Members much better than you do. Stop drinking the Orange Koolaid and rejoin our exclusive club and treat others in the club with more respect.

Oh, you whiny *****. You want respect? Then earn it. Shitting on the Constitution is no way to earn respect.

Nice bullet point but you don't show any substance. I can say anything I want without qualifying it as well. Like, "You dress up in womens clothing and attend Barn Burnings while wearing a White Sheet and a White Hood". While there is a chance that may be true, it might not be.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

• Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
• Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
• Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
• Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
• Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
• Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which
• prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
• Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
• Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearm's in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

Well regulated militias were to defend our nation not attack our government

George Washington says you're full of shit.

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[Uncensored2008]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

Where does it say anyone needs to be trained? We already have a well regulated militia we have the U.S. Military which is necessary to a free State. See? If you can have your own analogy so can I.

The reason the 2nd amendment worded it that way was to separate the Mob from the Regulated Militia. When the Sheriff deputized the Citizens and they headed out, it was under the authority of the Sheriff and therefore was a Regulated Militia. Without that authority, it was just a Lynch Mob.

Sorry stupid, "well regulated" meant armed with regulation munitions. Simply put, a rifle in working order.

Some other examples of "well regulated"

1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”

1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.”

1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”

1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.”

1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.”

1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.”

(Oxford Hereditary Dictionary)

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

You used the proper term, Regulated Militias. A Regulated Militia even back then was done by the Governor. Not by some hillbilly named Joe Bob unless your Governor was named Joe Bob. The "So Called" Unregulated Militia is just a bunch of people dressed in pickle suits running around the woods with guns. If they decide to take the law into their own hands then it's now called a Mob.

People running around in the woods with guns are who won our Revolutionary War. It is understandable how big-government gun grabbers would be afraid of them.[/QUOTE]

And they had the support of the Governors. The Governors supported them in supplies and logistics. And even after the formation of the United States, the Governors had the Military in the form of Regulated Militias. And I can reasonably take for granted we all know the original concept of what was a member of the Regulated Militia.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When we are invaded by Mexico, we need our gun owners to protect us from the Mexican hordes

How can they form well regulated militias if nobody knows who they are and what weapons they have?
Register all gun owners and their weapons.....our security as a free state depends on it

We have a Military dufus. And frankly, the 2nd amendment protects me from gun grabbers like you.

And the Law protects me from gunnutters like you.

Your rump will be fine as long as you don't try to take my gun Daryl. Stop with the hysterics already.

It's not me that doing the hysterics. But your clan seems to get off on it. Did I once recommend that we come and get your guns?

Okay, you get your wish. We are warming up the Black Stealth Choppers (just got them dry cleaned) and loading up all the nasty weapons you can't have including automatic potato peelers and are coming for your guns in the dead of the night. You wont' see us coming because we have the new Stealth Gilly suits that makes us invisible to you. But that's all I can tell you because the rest is sooper secrit.

 

[Leo123]

And they had the support of the Governors. The Governors supported them in supplies and logistics. And even after the formation of the United States, the Governors had the Military in the form of Regulated Militias. And I can reasonably take for granted we all know the original concept of what was a member of the Regulated Militia.

What do you have against men running around in the woods with guns? As long as they don't threaten you what's the problem? Not sure what a 'Pickle Suit' is but, it's hard to see how threatening THAT would be.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state...

You got something against freedom buddy?

Where does it say anyone needs to be trained? We already have a well regulated militia we have the U.S. Military which is necessary to a free State. See? If you can have your own analogy so can I.

The reason the 2nd amendment worded it that way was to separate the Mob from the Regulated Militia. When the Sheriff deputized the Citizens and they headed out, it was under the authority of the Sheriff and therefore was a Regulated Militia. Without that authority, it was just a Lynch Mob.

Sorry stupid, "well regulated" meant armed with regulation munitions. Simply put, a rifle in working order.

Some other examples of "well regulated"

1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”

1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.”

1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”

1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.”

1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.”

1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.”

(Oxford Hereditary Dictionary)

When used in context of Military, a well regulated Militia is under a Governor of a State or Province. That was the original meaning. You can cloud the issue all you want but that's what it means to the individual not the equipment. Nice try on "Hey, look over there".

 

[Leo123]

It's not me that doing the hysterics. But your clan seems to get off on it. Did I once recommend that we come and get your guns?

Okay, you get your wish. We are warming up the Black Stealth Choppers (just got them dry cleaned) and loading up all the nasty weapons you can't have including automatic potato peelers and are coming for your guns in the dead of the night. You wont' see us coming because we have the new Stealth Gilly suits that makes us invisible to you. But that's all I can tell you because the rest is sooper secrit.

But Daryl, YOU said you need protection from from "gunnutters" like me. I was trying to soothe your sore rump that's all. This is the thanks I get? Geesh....NOW you're going to sic the Military on my ass and referring to me as being part of some pickle-suit wearing hillbilly clan?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And they had the support of the Governors. The Governors supported them in supplies and logistics. And even after the formation of the United States, the Governors had the Military in the form of Regulated Militias. And I can reasonably take for granted we all know the original concept of what was a member of the Regulated Militia.

What do you have against men running around in the woods with guns? As long as they don't threaten you what's the problem? Not sure what a 'Pickle Suit' is but, it's hard to see how threatening THAT would be.

If doesn't bother me one bit if that's the way you want to spend your weekend. Hey, some people croche, others play with trains, some run around the woods in green pickle suits playing with guns. If it's harmless, it's a hobby. Who am I to say you can't do it. But to start believing that you are some sort of Militia and taking it out of the woods into the population is where I draw the line.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

When we are invaded by Mexico, we need our gun owners to protect us from the Mexican hordes

How can they form well regulated militias if nobody knows who they are and what weapons they have?
Register all gun owners and their weapons.....our security as a free state depends on it

We have a Military dufus. And frankly, the 2nd amendment protects me from gun grabbers like you.

And the Law protects me from gunnutters like you.

Your rump will be fine as long as you don't try to take my gun Daryl. Stop with the hysterics already.

It's not me that doing the hysterics. But your clan seems to get off on it. Did I once recommend that we come and get your guns?

Okay, you get your wish. We are warming up the Black Stealth Choppers (just got them dry cleaned) and loading up all the nasty weapons you can't have including automatic potato peelers and are coming for your guns in the dead of the night. You wont' see us coming because we have the new Stealth Gilly suits that makes us invisible to you. But that's all I can tell you because the rest is sooper secrit.

But Daryl, YOU said you need protection from from "gunnutters" like me. I was trying to soothe your sore rump. This is the thanks I get? Geesh....NOW you're going to sic the Military on my ass? Touchy, touchy.

What Military. We are one of the Sooper Secrit many letter Alphabet agencies you never heard of. Even the CIA doesn't know we exist. Be afraid, be very afraid.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It's funny, the leftists who insist we should just all roll over and accept their totalitarianism.

As if they wouldn't be put up against the wall by the government they worship as soon as their utility ceased.

You just won an award for putting gun freedom back to the stone age when Ugg decided that only HE should have the club. Here is your award.

 

[Leo123]

What Military. We are one of the Sooper Secrit many letter Alphabet agencies you never heard of. Even the CIA doesn't know we exist. Be afraid, be very afraid.

So, it's gonna be Gilly Suit nutters against Pickle-Suit nutters. Can I buy a ticket?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The second amendment supports registering guns

******* liar.

How else can we well regulate our militias?

It doesn't need to have Registered Guns to regulate a Militia. A Regulated Militia is not a weapon, it's people. It's the difference between a Posse and a Lynch Mob.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What Military. We are one of the Sooper Secrit many letter Alphabet agencies you never heard of. Even the CIA doesn't know we exist. Be afraid, be very afraid.

So, it's gonna be Gilly Suit nutters against Pickle-Suit nutters. Can I buy a ticket?

Sorry, it's by invitation only. And you won't know you are invited until after the Dance starts. Why? Because it's Sooper Secrit, of course.

 

[Leo123]

It doesn't need to have Registered Guns to regulate a Militia. A Regulated Militia is not a weapon, it's people. It's the difference between a Posse and a Lynch Mob.

Well Daryl, when they gather a Posse to hunt down illegal gun grabbers you better dawn your Gilly Suit. Some of those posses in the past have actually lynched folks. All condoned by the local 'Governor.' A lot of those lynched were 'Indians' (Native Americans) who were 'legally' disarmed by the 'Governor'...........by LAW!!!!