Are the Palestinians a real people?

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble, like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?



"Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state?
Is this what the world really needs
?"



No state should ever be associated with just one of the many religions there.
All the foods you mention that are unique to Israel are not at all from or appropriate to the Mideast.
Hebrew is an Arab language, but Jews to not even know their own history enough to realize that.
And no, the kippa is an Arab tradition, which is supposed to include the turban.
Modern Jews simply leave off the Turban so that they can look less Arab.
 
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.

Palestine is an English word adopted by Latin-speaking European Christians from the Roman term palaestina imposed on Jews in retribution for the Second Jewish Revolt. Palaestina referred to Philistines, ancient enemies of the Jews who were from the Greek world.

There was no place named palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there any people called palestinians. Britain adopted the Roman name palaestina, anglicized into palestine, name for the British Mandate that ceased to exist in 1948 with Israeli statehood.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.
 
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.

Palestine is an English word adopted by Latin-speaking European Christians from the Roman term palaestina imposed on Jews in retribution for the Second Jewish Revolt. Palaestina referred to Philistines, ancient enemies of the Jews who were from the Greek world.

There was no place named palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there any people called palestinians. Britain adopted the Roman name palaestina, anglicized into palestine, name for the British Mandate that ceased to exist in 1948 with Israeli statehood.

No, the Philistines and the word Palestine is at least 1000 years older than the Roman occupation of Palestine.
And while it was also called the Land Canaan, that was still not the Hebrew tribes, because they clearly were not native.
And clearly you are wrong about the existence of Palestine during the domination by the Ottoman Empire, as ever map before the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI, shows a Palestine label.
800px-Modern_Palestine%2C_Illustrated_atlas%2C_and_modern_history_of_the_World%2C_1851.jpg

There was only a period about 200 years when Hebrew invaded the Land of Canaan and ruled there.
They were quickly defeated consecutively by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Romans. There has never been legitimate Jewish rule in the Mideast, anywhere.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.
 
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.

Palestine is an English word adopted by Latin-speaking European Christians from the Roman term palaestina imposed on Jews in retribution for the Second Jewish Revolt. Palaestina referred to Philistines, ancient enemies of the Jews who were from the Greek world.

There was no place named palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there any people called palestinians. Britain adopted the Roman name palaestina, anglicized into palestine, name for the British Mandate that ceased to exist in 1948 with Israeli statehood.

No, the Philistines and the word Palestine is at least 1000 years older than the Roman occupation of Palestine.
And while it was also called the Land Canaan, that was still not the Hebrew tribes, because they clearly were not native.
And clearly you are wrong about the existence of Palestine during the domination by the Ottoman Empire, as ever map before the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI, shows a Palestine label.
800px-Modern_Palestine%2C_Illustrated_atlas%2C_and_modern_history_of_the_World%2C_1851.jpg

There was only a period about 200 years when Hebrew invaded the Land of Canaan and ruled there.
They were quickly defeated consecutively by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Romans. There has never been legitimate Jewish rule in the Mideast, anywhere.

Palestine is a Western name. The map of “palestine” is Western.

Philistines were raiders from the Greek world, verified by recent DNA research. However, they didn’t identify as Philistines and they did not name any land palestine. Philistines inhabited a narrow strip of the Mediterranean coast, in Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Gaza. Philistines have been extinct for 2,500+ years.

The name palestine does not appear in any Middle East historical records.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
 
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.


So, the Romans and Greeks were not European then?

Of course you're lying about the terminology. The Palestinians were indeed the Jews.

{
The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BCE, for a wave of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet.

}

Antisemites are notorious liars.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Most so-called palestinians are from
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.


So, the Romans and Greeks were not European then?

Of course you're lying about the terminology. The Palestinians were indeed the Jews.

{
The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BCE, for a wave of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet.

}

Antisemites are notorious liars.

Peleshet in the Hebrew Bible refers to Philistines, invaders from Crete, who occupied the Mediterranean coast in Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Gaza. In fact, the Hebrew Bible refers to the Mediterranean Sea as “sea of the Philistines, or Pelishtim.“
 
The names “palestine” and its derivative “palestinian” are European, not Middle Eastern. Jews were first called “palestinians“ by the British. My family members in the Mandate had “palestinian“ stamped on their documents.

MartyNYC, Totally and completely wrong. The word Palestine comes from Filestia or as we now say, Philistine.
It goes back in Egyptian and Greek references to at least 3,000 BC.
The Palestinians the British Mandate for Palestine were there to protect were not Jews. The British Mandate for Palestine was created by the Treaty of Sevres in 1920, and only about 30,000 Jews lived in the Old City of Jerusalem while Palestine had a population well over a million, who were Arab Molsem, and not Jewish.
Jews were never called Palestinian.
There were always Jews everywhere, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, etc., and they were never called Palestinian.


So, the Romans and Greeks were not European then?

Of course you're lying about the terminology. The Palestinians were indeed the Jews.

{
The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BCE, for a wave of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet.

}

Antisemites are notorious liars.

Filastin was just an Arab mispronunciation of palaestina, the Roman name imposed on Jews, which Arabs adopted after their conquest of Syria.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.
 
Names mean nothing.

One of the rare instances where I agree with Tinmore. This continued arguing over labels is tiring and ridiculous and petty.

There are, without question, TWO entirely different groups of people involved in this conflict. Each self-defines and each can call themselves whatever the hell they want. It makes for nothing except hollow, empty arguments in a lame attempt to try to disappear the other.
 
Names mean nothing.

One of the rare instances where I agree with Tinmore. This continued arguing over labels is tiring and ridiculous and petty.

There are, without question, TWO entirely different groups of people involved in this conflict. Each self-defines and each can call themselves whatever the hell they want. It makes for nothing except hollow, empty arguments in a lame attempt to try to disappear the other.

Yes ,
that's post modernism.
But there's place for objective truth, facts.

If the name is revealing so much at the same time about the conflict,
why is it irrelevant?

It's not to disappear the other, rather how to say it... say a friend has invented a new orientation and has rage tantrums because I don't want to take seriously that he just gave birth to an alien. Only with a relative, a cousin. You can play the game for some time but at certain point it only exacerbates the problem.

On the other hand if they choose to be called Greek invaders,
then they might as well, just for getting into the role, get their historic due.
Or we can, as I prefer, communicate with Ishmael about his part in Tikun Olam.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.

“Palestinian” means nothing. Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Jews’ Philistine foes who were related to Greeks.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.

“Palestinian” means nothing. Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Jews’ Philistine foes who were related to Greeks.
Before they were Palestinians they were Ottomans. Before that ???

It doesn't matter they are the same people.
 


This is ridiculous, she claims saw a picture of refugees loaded on ships to Jordan,
but doesn't understand its 2 day walk distance to the opposite direction.
Or the fact that the Arabs in Haifa were expressly called to stay.

But that's JVP, they're confused.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.

“Palestinian” means nothing. Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Jews’ Philistine foes who were related to Greeks.
Before they were Palestinians they were Ottomans. Before that ???

It doesn't matter they are the same people.

The British made up the name “palestinian,” which applied to all inhabitants of the British Mandate, including Jews. Arabs generally did not identify as palestinians, until the 1960s. There’s no p in Arabic, so, they say falestinian.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.

“Palestinian” means nothing. Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Jews’ Philistine foes who were related to Greeks.
Before they were Palestinians they were Ottomans. Before that ???

It doesn't matter they are the same people.

Same place, not the same people.
If your current residence is in Milwaukee
it doesn't make you part of the Milwaukee tribe.

Big difference.
 
I am saying their identity is Palestinian ...

Yes. I agree.

But there is no way to define "Palestinian" as a meaningful term until 100 years ago. Any attempt to define it prior to that gets awfully muddy.

Arabs began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s, in large part as anti-Israel propaganda. It’s a Western term, originally applied to Jews in the British Mandate, called palestine. So, Arab palestinians are identifying with the fictional name of a defunct European colonialist entity.

That is just a lie.
Palestine was always the name for the region, and the Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Nabatians, Urites, etc., who always lived there, now prefer to be unified under the group label of Palestinians.
They agreed to be called Palestinian in the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
It was their repayment for helping the Allies in WWI.
The Jews did not participate in the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire, so deserve nothing.

Palestine is a European name, not Middle Eastern. No place palestine existed in pre-modern times. There was no place palestine in the Ottoman Empire, nor were there palestinians.
So? What were Native Americans called before it was America?

Names mean nothing.

“Palestinian” means nothing. Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, which ceased to exist with Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Jews’ Philistine foes who were related to Greeks.
Before they were Palestinians they were Ottomans. Before that ???

It doesn't matter they are the same people.

Same place, not the same people.
If your current residence is in Milwaukee
it doesn't make you part of the Milwaukee tribe.

Big difference.

In the Ottoman period, waves of foreigners came to the area, such as Algerians, Bosnians, and Circassians. Common surname is Bushnaq, referring to Bosnia. Waves of Arabs entered British Mandatory “palestine.” Churchill, who oversaw the Mandate, spoke about the huge numbers of Arabs flooding into the area.
 

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