Are the numerous dog breeds proof of evolution?

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Idiot! I told you my dog is sitting in the house while I’m out in the woods up a tree. That’s why you sound stupid when you say your dog will show me where the deer is. You saying your dog can smell that I shot a deer sitting in the house a mile away? So what about what I’m telling you doesn’t sound right? I shoot the deer. Then I walk back a mile to the house and let my dog out. We walk back to where I shot the deer. As soon as he catches the sent of blood and deer, he starts tracking it. If it didn’t run far he finds it right away. If the thing ran off 300 years it takes him a minute longer to find it.

With no snow it might take you all day to track that deer. Not with my dog.

Dogs take on the personality of their owners. I bet your dog is dumb.

 

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Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

I’m watching dogs 101 on the dog. Gsp is an awesome dog

They are, but there is no way to experience a GSP without following it and understanding that you can never be lost with a GSP

I bet you if I had a gsp and I showed it where I shot the deer it would find the deer.

Just like that article said your dog is a bird dog I found this about mine

Petits were developed to hunt game by scent. Petits originally came from the same litters as Grand Basset Griffon Vendéens, which are larger and serve as hunting dogs for big game like deer and wolves. Petits were gradually separated into their own breed and were used for smaller game like rabbits, hare, and sometimes birds. Today, Petits are still used to hunt small game in France, the United States, and other countries.

My dog doesn’t really care about rabbit that much. I’m sue he’s good at tracking deer blood because that’s what I do so I’ve trained him to track deer blood. Regardless, he’s great at it.

Wrong and I know that you do not understand this, but it is impossible to show anything to a shorthair. They show you.

Here is a photo of a deer that my older female found, huge buck, shot the night before and escaped the hunter.

If I’m in the woods and he’s in the house I go get him and take him to where I shot the deer. You’re telling me you walk from your blind back to the house a mile away, open the door and the dog takes you to where you shot it a mile away? I don’t think so

LOL if you keep this up you are going to confuse yourself more than you already are.

PS. You might want to decide if you live in a house or condo because it can not be both. Lust quoting Lieutenant Columbo on that particular point

I live in a condo. I’m hunting my brothers hunting property up north. It’s a house. A big house.

I can understand being a dick when we talk politics but I can’t understand why you’re being such a prick talking about dogs. Why would I lie? You’re a douche. I bet your dog licks your balls

 

[sealybobo]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

A nice dog with a nice toy. Such headstrong dogs hunt martens or treats. Martens with their courage and treats with their nice lovely eyes. Also called "Dachshund", "Dackel" or "Bavarian greyhound".



By the way Dusty. This dog fights in a bagder's burrow - and is able to win there. That's something what a wolve never would do.

Actually a Badger would rip the head off of a wolf if cornered, and there is no way to fight in a burrow. See kid not everything that the AKC says is in any way real.

A Badger holding off an African lion.

True stupid but if the badger tries to turn and run the lion will bite it’s neck and snap it, killing it dead.

Same way my old beagle use to kill ground hogs. She wouldn’t kill it if it faced her but if it turns to run it’s dead. Bite and shake and dont let go until it’s dead.

 

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Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

He's full of shit. Everything he posts here is nonsense he just made up. He's lonely and has a lot of time to make up stories.

Why would I be making any of this up? You’re a stalker. Have you posted anything about dogs or just here to troll me?

 

[sealybobo]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

A nice dog with a nice toy. Such headstrong dogs hunt martens or treats. Martens with their courage and treats with their nice lovely eyes. Also called "Dachshund", "Dackel" or "Bavarian greyhound".



By the way Dusty. This dog fights in a bagder's burrow - and is able to win there. That's something what a wolve never would do.

Actually a Badger would rip the head off of a wolf if cornered, and there is no way to fight in a burrow. See kid not everything that the AKC says is in any way real.

A Badger holding off an African lion.

And why do you think is this lovely Bavarian greyhound indeed not called "greyhound" but called "Dachshund" and "Jagdhund" in German? "Dachs"=badger - "Hund" = dog. And "Jagdhund" = "hunting dog". What kind of animal do you think could it hunt with this very short 'greyhound' legs? Dackel hunt badgers in their burrow - the badger comes out - the hunter comrade shoots (something have human beings good for too) - badger is dead. Not nice - no one is proud to have to do so - but sometimes is no other way. Badgers are not always harmless and are able to cause a lot of damages. And their hunting dog - the Dackel - is an individualist - an "original" how Bavarians say. That's why we love them, altough it is not always easy to love an original individualist, specially if it is an excellent, intelligent and brave hunting dog. And "Dackel" don't have a DNA which makes them to wolves - they have a BNA which makes them to Bavarians, although they are not excellent shoeplattler. But nobody is perfect.

Again a badger can hold off a lion, and I mean ADULT AFRICAN LION, so your story that dachshunds hunt badgers shows a severe lack of mental acuity on your part. Shit a racoon or badger would hunt dachshunds if they were hungry enough. But I understand that you believe the BS that the AKC spits out like Rhodesian Ridgebacks hunt lions, not sure if I even want to see the video

You’re such an idiot. Everything is black and white to you. My dog almost killed a raccoon. If he would have bit down a little harder and shook I a little harder, he would have killed it. My beagle would have killed it. Both dogs weighed about 25 lbs. But if you asked me to bet on a fight between a raccoon or beagle/pbgv, I’d probably bet on the raccoon.

But is the dog aggressive and good at killing? Not all beagles are created equal. Is the raccoon big?

Im sure grizzly occasionally kill wolverines and I’m sure 2 lions can kill a badger because all they need to do is get the back of its neck

 

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Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

He's full of shit. Everything he posts here is nonsense he just made up. He's lonely and has a lot of time to make up stories.

Why would I be making any of this up? ...

Because all you ever do here is make shit up. You have a long, shameful track record. You have established your identity here as an empty blowhard shit talker, now live with it.

Ridiculous. Why would I make this up? Even if I made the other shit up why this? I’m not bragging.

Youre a creep

 

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Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

He's full of shit. Everything he posts here is nonsense he just made up. He's lonely and has a lot of time to make up stories.

Seems so, he has some kind of French poodle bichon friese mix that he believes is a great hunting dog because he shows it a trail.

Actually, the poodle was specifically bred as a hunting dog.

But not for hunting land game. It was specifically bred for hunting waterfowl. The name actually comes from the German word for "To splash" (puddeln). And there have been several breeding groups active in the US to return the breed to use for hunting water foul.

The Toy (French) poodle came around much later, for use in circuses in France because of the intelligence.

Yea I know there are all kinds of hunting dogs that can not be taught what a GSP just does with out a trainer. You ever see a poodle out track a GSP. People think that I am a great trainer, when all I really do is let my dogs run free and learn, all they need is time space and love.

The English pointer is a good second to the GSP as long as there is no creek to panic it, the bloodhound tries too but they need to be kept on a leash or they get lost. Of course the bloodhound as the St Hubert's hound was one of the breeds along with the English pointer that was used to create the GSP, which is just the pinnacle, the only possible better tracker is a wolf

See there you go ahead with incorrect blanket statements. Bloodhounds and beagles don’t need to be kept on a leash.

People think I’m a good trainer too but I’m not. I just let my dog run free a lot.

Your dog will get distracted by every smell. My dog is focused on just the deer. That’s good for me. I don’t hunt birds.

 

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Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

He's full of shit. Everything he posts here is nonsense he just made up. He's lonely and has a lot of time to make up stories.

Seems so, he has some kind of French poodle bichon friese mix that he believes is a great hunting dog because he shows it a trail.

I have a pbgv. Look it up. It was bred from the bigger basset griffon. My dog was bred to hunt smaller game but for whatever reason he’s a great deer tracker.

Not live deer. He doesn’t sit with me in the woods when I hunt. He doesn’t lead me to liv3 deer for me to shoot. He simply finds the deer I shot after I shoot it. Even if it runs for miles if there’s a blood trail my dog will find it.

Why you think i would lie about this is beyond me. Seriously, why are you being a dick about this? I’ve complemented your stupid German dog. Is it because my dog is french?

 

[Dusty]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Idiot! I told you my dog is sitting in the house while I’m out in the woods up a tree. That’s why you sound stupid when you say your dog will show me where the deer is. You saying your dog can smell that I shot a deer sitting in the house a mile away? So what about what I’m telling you doesn’t sound right? I shoot the deer. Then I walk back a mile to the house and let my dog out. We walk back to where I shot the deer. As soon as he catches the sent of blood and deer, he starts tracking it. If it didn’t run far he finds it right away. If the thing ran off 300 years it takes him a minute longer to find it.

With no snow it might take you all day to track that deer. Not with my dog.

Dogs take on the personality of their owners. I bet your dog is dumb.

Yup a German Shorthair can smell that, from two miles away, and or run ahead of you and find the track long before you get there. Not even embellishing anything because a GSP would not just be able to trail the deer but trail your scent to the deer. Again until you have followed a GSP you have not seen a dog track hunt or retrieve. LOL your dog is so sad that it needs a human to show it the way, again a GSP has no equal, unless possibly there is a wolf involved.

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Idiot! I told you my dog is sitting in the house while I’m out in the woods up a tree. That’s why you sound stupid when you say your dog will show me where the deer is. You saying your dog can smell that I shot a deer sitting in the house a mile away? So what about what I’m telling you doesn’t sound right? I shoot the deer. Then I walk back a mile to the house and let my dog out. We walk back to where I shot the deer. As soon as he catches the sent of blood and deer, he starts tracking it. If it didn’t run far he finds it right away. If the thing ran off 300 years it takes him a minute longer to find it.

With no snow it might take you all day to track that deer. Not with my dog.

Dogs take on the personality of their owners. I bet your dog is dumb.

Yup a German Shorthair can smell that, from two miles away, and or run ahead of you and find the track long before you get there. Not even embellishing anything because a GSP would not just be able to trail the deer but trail your scent to the deer. Again until you have followed a GSP you have not seen a dog track hunt or retrieve. LOL your dog is so sad that it needs a human to show it the way, again a GSP has no equal, unless possibly there is a wolf involved.

Well my dog leads the way too but

a. He can smell the blood on me. I probably found the arrow and touched some blood.

b. He knows where I hunt. So if I come back and say I got one, sure he runs ahead of m back to where he knows I hunt.

I took my dog in the woods where hunters can also bow hunt. State land. On day my dog came back all bloody but no injury. I asked him to show me what he found. He took me back to a gut pile deep in the woods.

Im sure gsps are exceptional but they hunt too many other things. Your dog wouldn’t know you shot a deer he’s too busy smelling for everything else too. I need a focused dog.
You don’t deer hunt do you?

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[sealybobo]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

If they hunt everything how do they know what you are hunting?

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

View attachment 507656

One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

If they hunt everything how do they know what you are hunting?

Intelligence combined with instant adaptation, that reduces whatever human is there to a follower of the master hunter.
Again from a human perspective a GPS knows the unknown, it is a mystery that a GSP owner just marvels at.

 

[Dusty]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

You don hunt deer you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And then every hunter who uses a gsp is sad.

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

 

[Dusty]

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

You don hunt deer you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And then every hunter who uses a gsp is sad.

Too bad that the deer has to be dead for your short legged pooch to keep up. My dogs trail live deer every time I take them out, really. Did you know that in an open field that a GSP is faster than a deer and can catch it easily?

No you do not know that

 

[sealybobo]

Indeependent

Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

You’re the guy who goes and buys fatty cow meat rather Than shoot free range lean venison meat.

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

You don hunt deer you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And then every hunter who uses a gsp is sad.

Too bad that the deer has to be dead for your short legged pooch to keep up. My dogs trail live deer every time I take them out, really. Did you know that in an open field that a GSP is faster than a deer and can catch it easily?

No you do not know that

That does me no good. I’d put that dog down if it did that

 

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Actually Since Floods leave scars on the Earth Surface that last well basically forever----------we can safely say that there never ever was a World Wide Flood as described in the Bible. NEVER happened. We also know through genetics and DNA----that one pair of animals would not be enough genetics to repopulate any species----well other than a virus maybe.

And what is "world wide", when you are a Neolithic people who never wandered more than two dozen miles from your home village?

Obviously, it is a flood that devastates everything in your region, because that is the "world" as far as you are concerned. If you live on that split of land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in 4,000 BCE and then everything as far as the eye can see is underwater, of course as far as you are concerned "the entire world flooded".

Obviously even trying to change your mindset to seeing things how people thousands of years ago viewed them is beyond your capability.

Excellent, see you are ok when not obsessed with fake trains

We are talking about evolution. What that has to do with trains, I have absolutely no idea.

There is no evolution between dogs and wolves as they are exactly the same species. That said I do like your baby gif, is that you or your Son?

Not true. Dogs are evolving too. Not into a new species at least not for a long time.

The dog, Canis familiaris, is a direct descendent of the gray wolf, Canis lupus: All modern dogs are descendants of wolves.

Now what about us? We are homo sapiens.

But humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We do share a common ape ancestor with chimpanzees. It lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. But humans and chimpanzees evolved differently from that same ancestor.

Again dogs and wolves are exactly the same species,

Exactly?

and no breed of dog is evolved from the wolf, as no dog can exist in the wild.

(1) After an beagle had disappeared here in the near they found him 2 years later in the woods - he was very fat.

(2) If you say dogs are not able to survive but wolves are able to survive and you say the same time both are exactly the same species then something is wrong with this idea.

Sure some can but they rapidly either die with the survivors picking up wolf traits

The fact about a beagle even though they are great hunters is that they are short dogs with short legs meaning that they rarely catch anything on foot. The fact is that an eagle could choose to eat the beagle and not the other way around. Poor choice Fred as I owned a beagle once

Beagles can't catch a rabbit but I've seen my beagle kill a possum, water vole, muskrat, mole, mice, groundhog, etc.

Perhaps your beagle was a pussy? I had a pure bred blue tick beagle.

The blue tick beagle is a small hunting dog with a short coat that is partially mottled bluish-gray in color. It is a very friendly and intelligent breed that is often used for hunting rabbits and other small game.

Well your beagle is still a parasite that can not exist in the wild. People do not understand that wild dogs do not see breed, they just screw the bitch in heat irrespective of breed including wolves and coyotes. As such purebred dogs can never exist in the wild. LOL my 4 German Shorthairs could bite a bear on the ass and never be there when the bear turned around and run any beagle or bear to death.

PS Your tiny beagle will also not survive a northern winter in the woods, but since you live in the redneck shed.......Well u kno

PSS. One of my shorthairs actually handed my wife a rabbit once. Really

Today I have a PBGV. Somehow I got lucky when I found him because he's an amazing hunting dog. If I shoot a deer I go get him and show him where I shot the deer and in 1 minute he's on the deer trying to rip the hair off it's ass so he can get to the rump meat. It's like instinctively he does exactly what wolves would do. And when the dogs at the dog park pick on a dog he knows pack mentality so he joins the pack. That way he's never the one getting picked on.

He acts tough but as soon as the other dog shows their teeth, he becomes a pussy. So cute. I've even heard him yelp like a little girl before the dog even bit him. They just ran at him with their teeth showing and YELP! So cute. I love that little guy.

What's a PBGV?

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One day a raccoon was walking through the woods. He ran up and bit it in the neck and shook it but he doesn't have that powerful of a bite. So the raccoon was fine. It turned around and was going to fuck my dog up and I grabbed my dog by the body hair and picked him up like a pillow. The raccoon was clung to him and he was just about to start fucking up my dog and I shook the raccoon off. WHEW!

P.S. I was watching my favorite tv show mountain men. One of the guys dogs didn't come home. In the morning he found it dead. But it was 15 years old and it was winter. Heck, even coyote's and wolves have dens where they sleep and keep warm. I feel sorry for the lone wolf who gets kicked out of his pack and has to live on his own.

No German Shorthair owner has ever shown their partner where any animal live or dead was or is. So if you are showing your dog where a deer is, from a hunting standpoint you just have the wrong dog. The photo also looks like a cross between a bearded collie and a basset hound, now since the Basset comes from the Bloodhound their tracking abilities are there, but as you say the prey must already be dead as there are no legs. GSP's hunt, track, point and retrieve, the tracking can be scent or sight or both, they are legendary and if you ever get one they will teach you much because they are the teacher to inferior humans where hunting is concerned. Not sure if you are French but the French actually have their own GSP and they call it the Braque Francais because well they are French and can not admit that the German is the best of the best, always.

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I said I showed my dog where I shot the deer. He then picked up the blood trail and ran right to the deer. I actually had to wait because if the thing wasn't dead yet my dog would have made him get up and run further into the woods.

PBGV. Petite (small) Bassett Griffon Vendeen. Vendee is the town in France where the breed came from.

Again no GSP owner ever shows their GSP an animal or trail, really this happens the other way around as the GSP seems to know the unknowable and does not need the handler for anything. The fact is that GSP owners understand this and all others are wannabees including English Pointer owners who's doggies are afraid to get their feet wet. Again the best French hunter is the Braque Francais which is merely an unrefined GSP.

I was wondering what kind of dog does the guy on Mountain Men use for hunting mountain lions.

Blue tick coonhounds are the preferred choice for most, but black and tan hounds, leopard curs and redbone hounds are also used.

On Mountain men one guy uses Treeing Walker Coonhounds

It would never occur to me to even think about using a dog to trail a lion as the lion can just turn around and kill 6 dogs in rapid succession as a mountain lion can slap a dog and break it's spine instantly. Then again it would never occur to me to hunt something as beautiful as a mountain lion in the first place.

He doesn't shoot the lions. His dogs tree the lion, then he bangs the tree with a stick causing vibration and the cat jumps. The dogs sometimes scrap with the cat but it's 4 on 1 and yes the dogs are in danger and sometimes get scratched up or seriously hurt. But the cat runs further up the mountain. He may tree/chase the cat 2 or 3 times until it's far enough up the mountain and not going to come back for their livestock or elementary school kids. Yea a cat was seen near the school so they called him in to run it off.

We always joke that the reason he doesn't kill the cats is because they are his business. If he kills them he's out of a job. They'll be back. But at least he's instilling a fear of man and dogs in them. It's not worth coming to kill a human child, cat, dog, sheep or cow.

There ought to be a season for mountain lions to chase assholes, I would pay to watch

I can't believe there aren't any bobcats or lynx where I live. Lots of woods. They're up north Michigan. We must have killed them all off locally. Part of me is sad but then I don't like any creatures out there that can kill my dog. When it's not deer season I hunt coyote off the porch on my brothers 65 acres up north. I've seen and shot at two but never a good shot. Hopefully I scared them off. But I went out and got a night light that works great. So the next time I see a coyote at night I'll have them in my cross hairs. The last time I shined my light out in the field and there he was. So I grabbed my gun (without a night light) and I couldn't see a damn thing. So I flashed the light and saw him running away. I didn't have a light attached to my gun! Now I do.

There's a bear on the property too. Scary. Can't shoot them either.

I had an idiot come looking at a litter of pups here once. He said that he wanted a smaller female GSP and that he had no fence on his property and that he had coyotes there as well. I was polite and he did not want a pup, but he never would have gotten one either. I almost told him to get a great Pyrenees male of 150 pounds if he had coyotes.

There are no bobcats, lynx or cougars because people like you shot them all.

Actually there are bobcats where I live I've just never seen one. Rare and elusive.

Bobcats are not just a northern species, but live throughout the state of Michigan. They can even be found in the outskirts of large cities such as Detroit.

That's because the Canada Lynx is classified as a threatened species in Michigan with very few reported sighting over the last 40 years. Of these, most occurred in the Upper peninsula. In March of 2019 near Howell, MI the DNR actually live captured a lynx.

I live just south of Howell. So I'm sure there are Bobcat/Lynx in my woods. I would love to see one. I'm not really afraid of them like I am coyote. And I don't worry about the coyote going extinct they are thriving everywhere. I'd just like to chase them off my property up north. I hear them howling on the back of the property. It's scary. Even my dog looks concerned. To be honest? I think my dog might be afraid of coyote. He certainly didn't run off after them when he heard them howling.

I wouldn't shoot the bear that's on the property. But one day he might get me when I'm walking to my blind at 4:30am in the morning. I always say if I'm hunting and another animal gets me, I got what I deserved. Poetic justice. You can't go out killing deer and then cry if a bear kills you for food.

Do ya really think that a 14 inch tall 30lb dog might be afraid of a coyote? only if he is bright

You should see the move this little guy makes at the dog park. He comes up hard and fast and he lunges for their neck. Does it to some pretty big dogs. Has almost gotten fucked up a few times messing with the wrong lab or tall poodle. He is all talk so not sure why he talks so much shit. Like his daddy?

Your little dog lunges at big dogs because it is scared and can not deal with situation without panicking, a good breeder would neuter a dog like yours. That said you are actually bragging that you let the little pooch run free at the doggie park with the Poodles and Pekinese, and that it runs away from foxes. You have never seen a dog hunt until you have followed a GSP

Your dog is a bird dog. My dog has a nose for deer. I will say this. My breed isn’t even mentioned.

Best all around was treeing walker hound and best for deer was the American fox hound.

I need my dog to bark not point when he finds my fallen deer.

GSP's are not just bird dogs, they will track and hunt literally any animal, bird, deer, boar, fox or bear. Kind of interesting because I took my two females to the park today and on the way out my older female spooked a fox that was bedded down in the center of a field, and I watched her run thru it's scent then double back and she got right on it's trail. Earlier her pup got a rise out of a big buck lying down by a creek, she took off and I blew my whistle and she came roaring back. As for game I have been handed a rabbit and a groundhog, and as for barking, I hear my female barking in a high voice when tailing deer, however typically a shorthair is completely silent as any proper hunter must be

I didn’t rescue my dog knowing he could track deer. I live in a condo so had to be a small dog. I don’t like shedding. Your dog sheds mine I have to give him haircuts. Not completely hypoallergenic but close.

So one time I made a bad shot and we lost the blood trail. We went and let my dog out and instantly he 2as showing us the way. My brother and his friends shit. They were like do you know what you have? People will pay you to bring your dog out to help them find their deer.

He has tracked enough deer in the five years he’s been alive. You should see how excited he gets when I tell him I got one. on a mission.

Here the deer hunters mostly sit in trees and exactly zero percent of them have a dog sitting next to them. In fact a dog running around, barking and sniffing like all dogs do would literally scare every deer away. So and I am not trying to be rude, but your story makes no sense, but if it sounds good to you I suppose. The fact is that dogs are used on pheasants grouse duck and goose typically.

Now I realize you aren’t a deer hunter so you don’t know what you are talking about.

And you are the doofus who shoots a deer then runs home to get your doggie. Kind of sad really

1. I don’t need the dog if the deer isn’t far.
2. if it’s snowing it’s easy to track a deer. Not in october though.
3. When you shoot a deer you need to give it time to die. Too often a guy like you sends your dumb ass gsp in too soon and you kick that deer up and now you have to haul it a mile not 100 yards. So yes I go get my dog and bring him jus5 in case I can5 find it. It’s all about retrieving the meat. What now I’m sad because I use a dog? So silly.
4. my dog enjoys it. Maybe next time I’ll find the deer first then go get my dog. Nah. See 3. I need to give the dee4 time to die. Go ge5 the dog and bring him just in case. He lives for it. He doesn’t chase birds so a dead deer is an occasion for us all. Don’t try to spoil it.

The way you tell it you don’t need a weapon to get a deer when you have a gsp. Lol

Again silly a deer does not need to be dead for a GSP to have fun. LOL the deer might die of laughter with your shorty lumping in the rear