Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?

[Taz]

Your first premise supposes that the BB has been observed and that it's what you say. So that's wrong, we can't yet see the BB so can only guess at what happened there.

False. I did not say that at all! I said:

You do understand that on the Big Bang model, the Big Bang state observed in the CMB is the immediate aftermath of the break in the symmetry of the grand unification and the cosmic inflation thereof, the latter of which is the massive conversion of the compressed energy of the cosmic, quantum vacuum?​

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The Big Bang state is the immediate aftermath. of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.
The Big Bang state is the immediate aftermath. of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.

The Big Bang state is the immediate culmination of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.
The Big Bang state is the immediate culmination of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.

This is what is observed in the CMB.
This is what is observed in the CMB.

You already agreed that we do observe the immediate aftermath/culmination of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.
You already agreed that we do observe the immediate aftermath/culmination of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof.

I'm repeating myself because things are not sinking into that head of yours.
I'm repeating myself because things are not sinking into that head of yours.

Then I asked you a question:

But because we cannot directly observe the initial break of the four fundamental forces of nature and the cosmic inflation of the massive conversion . . . we have no evidence or proof that the universe began to exist in the finite past?!​

As for your second premise, as we can't see the BB, we have no way of knowing whether it's the beginning of something, or a continuation of something.

That's the first sensible thing you've said.

Questions:

If it's the beginning of something, what precisely is it the beginning of?​

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If it's the continuation of something, what precisely is it the continuation of?​

If we can't see the BB, then we can't see what's before it and what it's a result of: "The Big Bang state is the immediate aftermath. of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof."

 

[Taz]

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

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I like the quotes in your signature. They are very accurate observations.

Dude talking with his sock. Who are you trying to impress?

 

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dummy says what?

 

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Derp... I can't see the big bang. ~taz

 

[Taz]

dummy says what?

I like that I put you on TILT! again.

 

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Can you see Uranus?

 

[Taz]

Derp... I can't see the big bang. ~taz

That's what science says. Aren't you for science?

 

[Taz]

Can you see Uranus?

Only with a mirror.

 

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Taz talking about science is like a monkey fucking a football.

 

[Ringtone]

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

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I like the quotes in your signature. They are very accurate observations.

They sum up the two most important apprehensions about reality: (1) God exists, and (2) the difference between liberty and tyranny is ultimately the difference between the rationality of good and the irrationality of evil.

 

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Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

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I like the quotes in your signature. They are very accurate observations.

They sum up the two most important apprehensions about reality: (1) God exists, and (2) the difference between liberty and tyranny is ultimately the difference between the rationality of good and the irrationality of evil.

Yep. It really is an intelligence test. So it's no wonder why low brow thinkers like Taz are out of their depth.

 

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If we can't see the BB, then we can't see what's before it and what it's a result of: "The Big Bang state is the immediate aftermath. of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof."

Finally! After how many posts did it take us to get to this point, you know, the point I've been getting at all along?

We can't directly observe the break in the symmetry of the grand unification of the four fundamental forces of nature and the cosmic inflation thereof—not now, not ever!

But we don't have to directly observe them as our understanding of quantum physics and cosmology is now sufficient enough to know that an initial break in the symmetry and an initial instance of cosmic inflation necessarily happened in the finite past from what we can directly observe. In other words, the gap in theory is not one of a general breach in knowledge (and it's certainly not one of a general breach in the ramifications of the imperatives of logic and mathematics). The gap in our knowledge strictly goes to the discrete mechanisms and processes of the initial events preceding the Big Bang state (the aftermath) observed in the CMB.

Once again, whether our universe is the one and only to have ever existed, one large spacetime continuum, albeit, with localized areas of activity, one in a cyclical series of universes, or a multiverse: the cosmological configuration at large (the physical world) cannot be past eternal (an actual infinite); and, laying aside the absurdity of an infinite regress of causation, the reason you don't know why this is so is because you don't know what the scientific investigation into the various cosmological potentialities has yielded.

We can start with the Eternal Chaotic Inflation Model if you like. . . .

 

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Yep. It really is an intelligence test. So it's no wonder why low brow thinkers like Taz are out of their depth.

What's really hilarious is that the typical atheist on interactive social media doesn't really grasp the pertinent science of cosmic origins in the first place.

 

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Yep. It really is an intelligence test. So it's no wonder why low brow thinkers like Taz are out of their depth.

What's really hilarious is that the typical atheist on interactive social media doesn't really grasp the pertinent science of cosmic origins in the first place.

Yep, what low brow thinkers like taz don't understand is that their unreasonable denial of the universe being created shows that they know the universe being created is proof of God. Taz is effectively admitting he believes the universe being created means there is a God.

 

[Taz]

If we can't see the BB, then we can't see what's before it and what it's a result of: "The Big Bang state is the immediate aftermath. of the break and the cosmic inflation thereof."

Finally! After how many posts did it take us to get to this point, you know, the point I've been getting at all along?

We can't directly observe the break in the symmetry of the grand unification of the four fundamental forces of nature and the cosmic inflation thereof—not now, not ever!

But we don't have to directly observe them as our understanding of quantum physics and cosmology is now sufficient enough to know that an initial break in the symmetry and an initial instance of cosmic inflation necessarily happened in the finite past from what we can directly observe. In other words, the gap in theory is not one of a general breach in knowledge (and it's certainly not one of a general breach in the ramifications of the imperatives of logic and mathematics). The gap in our knowledge strictly goes to the discrete mechanisms and processes of the initial events preceding the Big Bang state (the aftermath) observed in the CMB.

Once again, whether our universe is the one and only to have ever existed, one large spacetime continuum, albeit, with localized areas of activity, one in a cyclical series of universes, or a multiverse: the cosmological configuration at large (the physical world) cannot be past eternal (an actual infinite); and, laying aside the absurdity of an infinite regress of causation, the reason you don't know why this is so is because you don't know what the scientific investigation into the various cosmological potentialities has yielded.

We can start with the Eternal Chaotic Inflation Model if you like. . . .

You may infer that from what we see, that we know what happened at the BB. That's called a theory, not fact. We can't observe the facts directly yet.

 

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We can't observe the facts directly yet.

Why would you ever expect to see it, dummy?

"...The microwave COBE and WMAP satellites saw the heat signature left by the Big Bang about 380,000 years after it occurred. But at that point there were no stars and galaxies. In fact the universe was a pretty dark place..."

First Light & Reionization - Webb/NASA.

 

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You know, Taz, if you are going to worship science, you should take some time to actually learn some science, dummy.

 

[Taz]

We can't observe the facts directly yet.

Why would you ever expect to see it, dummy?

"...The microwave COBE and WMAP satellites saw the heat signature left by the Big Bang about 380,000 years after it occurred. But at that point there were no stars and galaxies. In fact the universe was a pretty dark place..."

First Light & Reionization - Webb/NASA.

There are other things than light that we can observe, you fucking moron.

 

[Taz]

You know, Taz, if you are going to worship science, you should take some time to actually learn some science, dummy.

Creation science is an oxymoron, jackass.

 

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We can't observe the facts directly yet.

Why would you ever expect to see it, dummy?

"...The microwave COBE and WMAP satellites saw the heat signature left by the Big Bang about 380,000 years after it occurred. But at that point there were no stars and galaxies. In fact the universe was a pretty dark place..."

First Light & Reionization - Webb/NASA.

There are other things than light that we can observe, you fucking moron.

Yeah... like the CMB, dummy.

But prey tell what other things are you expecting to see at the moment of the Big Bang and what are you expecting that to tell you about how it was created?